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Man, this is going to get real fucking weird real quick.
The word around French media right now, is that it was allegedly an Albertan resident that supposedly wrote a manifesto. That is going to muddy the discourse for sure if this is true.
RIP to the innocent man that was accidentally shot by the cops and to the officer who was killed as well.
SKS’s have been used in police shootings before no?
Hopefully the government remains reasonable (unlikely) or they they at least avoid banning due to the insanely difficult task of collection (more likely)
We can only hope, but given that an SKS was just used for such a crime, in Montreal, of all places ? We're not even close to being done hearing about it from Poly.
I can't imagine they're not already frothing at the mouth, writing a statement "proving" their point.
It’s also hard to know if the manifesto will ever come out as-is or if they’ve colluded in some unified message that benefits the anti-gun government. There’s just so many ways for this to go against us unfortunately, but one can always hope there’s some honest people in government with facts
Hah! Not a chance. This will only reinforce their desire to ban it as well. The only reason it's been spared hasn't been its age or lack of features. It's been it popularity with Indigenous hunters.
It’s going to largely depend on the contents of that manifesto. A part of me definitely feels like public safety is gonna use this for additional surveillance powers following c-22.
Imagine what Canada would have been like if millions of dollars had been redirected to policing and mental health resources. As opposed to a failed buy back.
I suspect the government would *love* to ban the SKS and appease many groups, but with the current court case above their head and the fact the SKS is the most common centre-fire semi-auto (prob like 500k in the country), I think they might hold back considering the pushback already. They’ll be pissing off all the fudds and indigenous now so there’ll be too much pushback politically it’ll go past the tipping point. But then again, this government is stupid as fuck so who knows lol
Yeah fingers crossed that they get scared from political pushback. Also fingers crossed that they get the brain capacity to understand that the shooter is the problem and not the sks itself lol
Lol what political push back? The one that got them re elected after a decade of destruction? This government has the population right where they want them.
This government will NEVER be held accountable. They were literally found to have used the emergencies act against the law or whatever thr fuck and not a single person got in trouble.
Im sorry to tell you but this ccfr court case means literally fuck all. Its political theater.
Poly is gonna use whatever they can to make sure people have no access to firearms in Canada with no logic whatsoever behind it. The only thing firearm owners can do is keep up the fight same as before.
...so our laws that prevents the criminals to lazy to modify there rifle or buy something else were "successful"? I wonder if he did the unthinkable and it could hold all 10 rounds!!
Wont ban it just make it restricted and give natives the special ATC tied to having a status card. The rest of us can go eat shit. Or make it a new 12.x class and give the same atc for "traditional hunting" or some other nonsense.n
This is probably what the government wants but carve outs have to be made via legislation not OiCs and after the clusterfuck that was C-21 which they are still dealing with the fallout today they are going to try and tiptoe around the SKS all together.
Yes that's true but I actually think if they did that it would hurt their case.
Let's assume they use the same justification as before (weapons of war that are too dangerous). It would only blow a hole in their OIC usages now that they have to actually run it through the house as a bill.
To be clear. That could very well happen post SCC ruling anyways but only time will tell.
I really think they will ban some more shit. What are the odds that the one gun that they are trying to ban the most since for ever is used in a mass shooting resulting in the death of a police officer. This situation just gave them the perfect cover to continue their bullshit
Poly has circulated a memo about the SKS during the last OIC ban, and framed it as an "indigenous problem" they needed a "final solution" for, as far as my memory serves me. I can't find a copy of it right now.
I’m not LE and I can’t say how I would’ve reacted had I been in that scenario, but the civilian was trying to seek shelter from an active shooter and was hit. ;(
If they ban the sks there is no way they can actually grab them from civilian hands. The gun is so common with about 500k units in private hands. Something tells me they don’t have the resources to kick in 500k doors.
The SKS really isn't any more powerful or capable than any other hunting rifle, it was used because there are just more SKS rifles than any other gun in Canada. Honda civics are used in drunk driving because they're a common car, not because they're preferred by drunk drivers, are they going to ban Honda civics? Of course not. There are more SKS rifles than all of the guns they're trying to buy back combined, and they can't even do that. A full ban like they did with AR15s would be logistically impossible.
The SKS estimates in Canada are anywhere between 250,000-1,000,000 on the high end. The number of impacted guns from the gun bans are estimated to be as high as 1 million. Most people would say there are between 500,000 and 750,000 sks’s in Canada. Which I will say for one rifle is a lot. I can’t think of a single gun that could rival those numbers apart from maybe the Ruger 10/22? Just because those have been in Canada for so long.
Lee Enfield rivals it.
Also the official estimate for number of guns in Canada is based on the registry, so likely half.
The government knows pretty much how many SKS rifles there are through import records. They don't release this even tho there's been information requests on it. As most SKS rifles got imported after they started keeping tabs on imports. Lee Enfield is anybody's guess as most were imported pre import records.
Yeah it’s comparable to saying someone died in an accident with a Honda accord or a Toyota Corolla. Not more dangerous, just there are millions of them on the road. 100% correct.
Can't wait for them to blow this up and take instant action against legal gun owners while the usual culpreets continue their daily assassinations and extortion shootings with smuggled guns
I think there’s a potential this sort turns into police training nightmare, the only civilian death and its from a police officer point blank and on video
Combined with the public already pissed about RCMP failing Tumbler ridge, police media firestorm
Yea this is looking like it could very easily be turned into a “The police fucked up at responding to this.” Which ngl they objectively did. They not only lost someone due to lack of proper training (atleast that’s my understanding.) but actively killing a civilian. Technically this struggles to be even defined as a mass shooting. As the shooter only killed one person. The other death was because of the cop.
They’re legit morons and clowns, 10 years, 4 bans, 2 billion dollars spent and yet we still have shootings. They know they just want to end all civilian ownership and skip straight to authoritarianism. Simple as that.
Why does it always need to be the federal government? Why can't Quebec just have it's own gun laws? Why do they have to make the rest of us suffer their shitty regulations?
If you ask a control enthusiast they'll likely tell you we need licensing and background checks for owners, laws to restrict magazine capacity, ways to report people who are dangerous or illegally own guns. And the only way to implement these measures is to ban (more) firearms.
Why would they want to leave when they can do anything they want and get bailed out by other provinces. Quebec basically get's to be a country with none of the risk.
Uh oh, an SKS damn, not a good look. In Montreal too, double not good.
Gary and Poly and Carney are rubbing their hands. Provolone is salivating to dance over the grave of the officer, this is what they’ve waited for, curious if they’ll follow through.
LPC sitting on record high approval ratings and have a majority. Not looking good for us, not good at all. Ugghh I was really enjoying taking my SKS to the range too
My understanding is that the manifesto was about the hatred of women. Again a tragic event occurs and the tool was an SKS. It could have been a van or an SUV just as easily.
The civilian that died was shot by one of the officers who got startled. Horrifying footage. If anything comes out of this, it needs to be better training for police.
It’s legitimately bad, the shooter fully ignores civilians and the one civilian that dies is point blank from a cop. I know adreline and such plays a role but in the army they told us “that’s not an excuse” if you kill a civilian you will be charged, it’s on you
My comments: Glad the shooter was taken out quickly, but watching a huge amount of videos outside of Reddit (the website in question for a fun fact, is actually an exiled subreddit that used to be on here), that this seems like a Justin Bourque type shooting. If you watch the videos, there was many points he came across random civilians and didn't go after them. He only went after cops.
Also to note, and this is a major L and in my opinion, reflects the absolute sheer Insanity of the handgun "freeze", but one of the SPVMs officers hiding behind cover shot a civilian that had walked up to her wondering what the hell is going on, and it was unequivocally caught on video of the officer just shooting a civilian point blank with her service pistol... The civilian died...
I'm sure the cop is feeling absolute horrid deep regret and is traumatized for not taking just a second longer to identify if this person is a threat just after seeing their colleague killed not even 30 seconds before, but none the less, situational awareness training as well as effective firearm use is clearly not something that's emphasized within the SPVM.
Most cops look like they only receive firearm training like once a year and it's maybe like less than 100 rounds and it's pretty evident based on the amount of Exchange between the gunman and the officers on how poorly equipped they are. This handgun "freeze" is making our LEO brothers and sisters ineffective in responding to rare events like this where situational awareness and precision is absolutely needed when there's no "takesies-backsies", such as killing an innocent civilian... Also, I'm dumbfounded that AR-15s (or patrol carbines), are not standard equipment in every police vehicle. Where I am in Ottawa, Ottawa Police are standardly equipped with AR-15s in most Patrol Vehicles except for like Traffic Unit crusiers, where they can quickly and effectively respond to incidents like this where you do not want to have a situation of a handgun versus rifle fight.
Well the police Watchdog will certainly be looking over this whole entire event that played out. Personally I think given the totality of circumstances she will be found responsible for the death but not in a way that would see her removed or charged
It looks like Rebel News was able to retrieve a copy of the manifesto
Not sure I can post the link here
Kind of skimmed over it, it does mention "capitalism bad, communism good" rhetoric. He's not right wing, even though that's probably what the media will try to paint him as
I mean per capita they have more mass shootings than Ontario has. Political violence and extremism has always been a problem with Quebec. The amount of mass shootings/high profile gun incidents in our history show for it.
FLQ, Denis Lorte, Polytech, Concordia, Dawson, Richard Henry Bain, Quebec City Mosque to name a few... There's a reason why the province overall is anti-gun more than any other province in the country.
"The alleged gunman who killed a Montreal police officer during a shooting in Côte-des-Neiges Monday has been identified as Seth Scott Hatfield, 25, of Lethbridge, Alberta.
His name was released Tuesday by Quebec’s coroner, which also identified the two other people killed in the attack: Mohamed Lamine Benredouane, 34, a Montreal police officer, and Michel (Michael) Mizrahi, 68, a bystander caught in the crossfire."
Hopefully there will be a thorough investigation here.
What’s actually crazy wild, this guy straight up fits the redacted RCMP report a few years back about the future of canada and that “once the youth realize they have no future, it will lead to violence”
Dude is straight up anti society, this is it, the youth collapse. Will be interesting how our LPC overlords spin this tragedy
Lots of angry young people right now. I’m not surprised some are taking to violence. I’m fairly young and in my peer group people are struggling hard right now. They blame the government for what’s happening, although I will note some of their issues are purely related to poor choices.
I am very interested to see what the LPC says, or will it be buried?
Legit wild how other subs are defending the officer for domeing a civilian saying things like “it’s easy for you, this was a stressful situation” and “how can it be a training issue, it’s just unfortunate”
I didn’t know that cops can now shoot civilians when shit gets real or crazy. So when swat kicks a door in they should shoot the hostage because the bad guy startled them. Training literally removes your nerves so you don’t do what that officer did. Absolute training failure and failure on the officer.
It's Reddit. The ideology comes first. It's a female police officer and so if they concede that this particular female officer did something very wrong, they feel it leaves them open to all female officers being criticized. And so they have to look at an officer shooting a civilian point blank and say, "Well uh actually chud she did nothing wrong because you (an untrained civilian with no responsibility or duty to protect citizens) would probably do the same!"
Turns out the shooters manifesto mentions hatred for Pornhub, mentions hatred for capitalism and his love of communism, and mentions the support of "free-palestine" movement.
Im guessing we won't ever find out. SKS is the kryptonite of the LPC because of the natives.
We all suspect an SKS was likely used in tumbler ridge, but they never said. This time there is photos, but the general public will have no idea what it is
I love the "only police should have guns" crowd not understanding that our police are more dangerous to innocent bystanders with their guns than PAL holders are.
So I was browsing through Canada subreddit to see what the reaction is. The manifesto by the suspect actually spur quite a bit of debate there because of the shooter's belief and political alignment. Many assume the alignment to be right, but it seems to be left leaning and involvement of capitalism which spawns the world that we have now being managed be the corporate elites.
Though some people there really did raise some good point regarding to police training and with civilians involved situation. Here is one of the comments I took note of.
Redditor A
Why is no news outlet covering the fact that the only civilian who died was shot by the cop, and then after she killed the guy she ran away screaming.
We need a serious discussion about hiring a real police force in this country. The only thing our police are good for is handing out fines to working class people. They are utterly incompetent at doing anything to protect public safety.
Redditor B
I don’t think it is. I very rarely defend police but she’s not really to blame in this instance imo. Did you watch the footage? She had to make a life and death decision in a split second and I’d guess that most people in her position would assume it was the gunman appearing from that angle. Not to mention she just watched her colleague get shot/murdered which obviously raises the stakes.
Redditor A
The key here is “most people”.
She is a trained professional public defendant. If we’re giving people state backing to use lethal force as part of their job description then those people better be vetted and highly qualified.
If we aren’t going to have highly qualified and trained individuals in those roles then we should all have the right to defend ourselves because the state is clearly proving itself to be incompetent and incapable of doing so.
It’s an incredibly serious topic and not one that should be brushed aside because “she panicked in a life and death situation”. When doctors, or pilots, or rescue teams panic and make the wrong decision they are still heald accountable for their actions.
Redditor B
Fair enough. I agree with your points here but I do believe we all already have the right to defend ourselves.
I know that this sub commonly discussed about the right to defend ourselves, but when it comes to use firearm as last resort, this will usually result the firearm owner to drag through the mud just to fight the legal battles. Not to mention that the police are often out stretch and takes awhile to arrive on scene.
Imagine the outrage against the police if it were a white male accidentally shooting a black civilian. It's disgusting how some people are blaming the civilian.
People, remember there have been multiple high profile killings with the sks since 2020 and it still remains unbanned , I’m not saying they won’t but they have had plenty of opportunities to do so .
Meh i mean I think this will show the antigun crowd "see we need to ban all models or guns!"- since it was committed with a semi auto that wasnt banned.
The fact is that someone can always do this with a legally acquired gun, although its exceeedingly rare in Canada thanks to our licensing system.
I think the bigger thing to point out is that shootings are more common despite gun laws becoming more restrictive, most of the shootings being preventable due to blatantly awful police work or addressing the underlying social malaise, and in this case I dont think the type of gun even mattered. He "only" (still a tragedy) killed one person. People have killed many more with other means or even manual action guns.
they dont give a damn about logistics. if they did, the first bans wouldve actually done something. its about preventing future ownership to law abiding citizens
Logistics also includes legal frameworks. Examples include indigenous rights guaranteed by the Constitution and that suppressing the most popular hunting tool among indigenous people, could be seen as a violation of their treaty/hunting rights.
I feel like they wouldn't want another court case even if they end up winning the current CCFR Supreme Court Case. It casts them in a rather bad light.
It is not logistically impossible to ban any firearms in Canada.
>But muh lots of people have them!
And? As soon as they ban the firearm it can no longer be legally sold or transferred. That means no new models legally come into the market, and no one who currently owns one can transfer it to anyone else, take it to a range, or take it out hunting. It's dead in the water and over time they leave circulation as owners die off and are unable to legally pass them on, they're found in raids in illegal ownership, etc. Their kids don't have a PAL, aren't comfortable taking them, or if they do take them they get found.
People seem to not understand that these measures are not short term, they are permanent and long term methods of weeding out firearms from the population over decades. The idea that the government cares that they won't immediately get your gun is asinine. They know that over time, civilian population firearms ownership will be reduced and chopped down to fudds only and whatever other things like central storage they want to implement.
My guess is as good as someone else's but I wouldn't be surprised if they try to restrict all semi-automatic rifles above .22 LR at some point. Even if it's a very long term job.
So far the media labels this individual as a right wing incel, yet his manifest is full of anti capitalism rhetoric. He was a communist, and a lunatic, yet the media blames the right so far... Insane.
This is terrible, please don't watch videos about this.
There is one very disturbing video where one of the cops appear to shoot a civilian they misidentified.
Some cops where visibly struggling with firearms handling under stress (I don't blame them at all, I point their employer who send them out there with minimal training)
I'm gonna be upset all day now; the classic politician will blame guns instead of how our society is broken and breed those monsters that do these attacks (either with cars, trucks or guns, whatever is easier for them to access)
You know what , I want them to ban the SKS, to really get the fudds and indigenous absolutely batshit crazy which should in turn pushback the legislation
This unfortunately isn't the first time an officer has been killed and an sks was used. In 2023 two Edmonton Police officers were killed with an SKS that had been illegally trafficked to a 16 year old.
I believe I remember poly trying to use it to argue for the SKS prohibition back then and liberals resisted shockingly, though they vowed to find some other "solution". If they were looking for an incident were police were killed with the SKS they had that reason available long before this incident.
I think first of all they know the sks numbers are extremely high, it may actually be the most common centrefire non-shotgun, single model, firearm in Canada, and it is incredibly common for hunting among native groups so any ban of it feels targeted to them no matter how it works. Not only will they not get them back in any great numbers, they risk very unpopular charges and arrests of various native tribes members who will no doubt (rightly) tell the government yo pound sand. It's nothing but L's all the way down.
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u/airchinapilot Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
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