r/canadaguns • u/Business_Working_703 • Jun 22 '26

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I hope it doesn't lead to an sks ban

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u/adrenalineJ92 Jun 22 '26

That’s insane

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u/Current-Speed4096 Jun 23 '26

it's not when you realize the guy has zero survival instinct, and the cop had zero “combat” training

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u/AnthraxCat Jun 23 '26

What is 'combat' training exactly?

She did exactly as she was trained to. She got scared and responded immediately with lethal force. That's the combat training cops get.

It's utterly irresponsible as a gun owner to not acknowledge that this is what the training is for. You don't exactly drill your draw, acquire, and shoot if your plan is to take a breather and calmly evaluate the situation.

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u/Lumindan Jun 23 '26

I'm pretty sure there's a whole thing cops are supposed to go through about target identification.

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u/FromDeepestFathom Jun 23 '26

Your comment on what to vs not to drill is really dumb. You absolutely do drill the fundamentals of draw acquire target shoot. You ALSO absolutely drill fundamentals if decision making re: is this an appropriate time for lethal force?, and is this an appropriate target for lethal force?. These can coexist.

Whether or not our average idiot (police or not) is thinking these things is a different topic.

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u/khagrul Jun 22 '26

He walked upto an active shooting situation as if to complain about the noise.

If you've seen the footage you really can't blame the cop, the way that bystander was acting was inexplicable.

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u/Commercial_Hold7067 Jun 22 '26

I will absolutely blame the cop.

Cops, like soldiers, are supposed to be trained in situational awareness and target ID specifically under fire so that they don't light up an innocent person in the area. Instead, cops are basically just glorified parking ticket attendants with a gun and a badge and zero ability to engage threats in coherent/competent manner. Look at the NS shooting fiasco. Cops are here to make sure you pay your taxes and occasionally try to solve a murder after the fact, they're not protection and sometimes they'll just kill you.

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u/khagrul Jun 22 '26

her partner had just got shot in what looks like the neck, bled out and died. she turns and looks to where she expects the shooter to be coming from, and sees a man literally with in distance to touch her, she shoots that guy. who turned out to be innocent, she then has her position assaulted by the shooter from the exact same spot and gets shot.

you can blame her if you want, I won't.

she basically was in probably one of the most challenging situations any cop has ever been in Canadian history.

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u/Commercial_Hold7067 Jun 22 '26

Nothing you just said contradicts or invalidates that cops, like soldiers, are supposed to be trained in situational awareness and target ID specifically under fire so that they don't light up an innocent person in the area. Instead, cops are basically just glorified parking ticket attendants with a gun and a badge and zero ability to engage threats in coherent/competent manner. Look at the NS shooting fiasco. Cops are here to make sure you pay your taxes and occasionally try to solve a murder after the fact, they're not protection and sometimes they'll just kill you.

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u/khagrul Jun 22 '26

Cops are not soldiers.

Cops are civilians.

Cops do not fight gun fights the way soldiers do.

Even ERT operators do not act like soldiers do.

I'm not interested in arguing against your extremist anti cop bullshit.

If you can't understand that somebody who fires their service weapone once a year isn't prepared for a situation this extreme and can't moderate your expectations to what a reasonable person would do in a situation this stressful, all I can say is I hope you never end up in front a judge with your attitude for a self defense case.

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u/Commercial_Hold7067 Jun 22 '26

>Cops are not soldiers.

Right, they're cops. They're supposed to protect and uphold the peace and keep citizens safe. This is why they have guns. If you are empowered with being armed with a gun in public (the only people allowed to be in Canada) then you need to not be an incompetent moron using like killing an innocent person.

>If you can't understand that somebody who fires their service weapone once a year

Yeah that's the point. If you only fire your service weapon once a year you are not properly trained to have one, and therefor shouldn't. And here we get to see what happens when some idiot is allowed to have a gun who shouldn't, she shoots an innocent person.

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u/ExplorerEnjoyer Jun 22 '26

Cops receive training for these situations and should be able to identify targets before shooting them. She hid behind a block of concrete while her partner was killed then got confused and shot the old man.

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u/khagrul Jun 22 '26

She wasn't confused.

If you watch the video the shooter comes from the exact same place the bystander did almost immediately after.

This was the absolute utmost of dangerous situations. As far as training? Lmao.

Cops shoot 30 rounds a year to qualify. They aren't highly trained ert operators preparing for these situations.

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u/ExplorerEnjoyer Jun 22 '26

You don’t shoot the wrong person then get flanked if you’re not confused. The lack of training definitely shows then

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u/khagrul Jun 22 '26

You haven't watched the video.

Watch the video.

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u/ExplorerEnjoyer Jun 22 '26

I watched both angles. She was completely out of place

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u/khagrul Jun 22 '26

Where in the video does she get flanked?

Or do you not know what that word means?

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u/ExplorerEnjoyer Jun 22 '26

When the shooter runs right up beside her because he’s hiding behind the concrete block then shoots her in the back as she crawls away. The cop across the street saved her

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u/khagrul Jun 22 '26

She's facing the direction the shooter is coming from, pops up and tries to get a shot off, and appears to suffer a ftf.

She then gets hit and tries to crawl away.

He assaulted her position, she didn't get flanked.

Once she had been shot, sure she made a poor tactical decision. Getting shot isn't exactly fun however.

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u/LordRaizer Jun 23 '26

This is one of the craziest arguments I'm hearing online

People blaming the victim. You'd think that cops would be held to a higher standard and would have some modicum of firearm training

She manslaughtered an innocent person, I hope she gets punished to the full extent of the law

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u/khagrul Jun 23 '26

You don't think there's more than 1 victim here?

You'd think that cops would be held to a higher standard<

Why? Most shoot once a year and hate handling firearms.

would have some modicum of firearm training<

They do, they just don't have training on how to win gun fights like this. They get the basic safety run down on how not to kill themselves with their firearm.

She manslaughtered an innocent person, I hope she gets punished to the full extent of the law<

Y'all need to think about how you would have handled that situation. We don't live in america where our cops get in gun fights every day. Most of our cops hate guns and don't want anything to do with them, just like the rest of the public. People don't become cops to be soldiers, just like the rest of the public, they dont give a shit about guns.

This was a highly abnormal and extreme situation that was turned into a tragedy with multiple victims. Don't run towards cops actively engaging in a gun battle with a suspect would be my advice.