r/canadaguns • u/Business_Working_703 • Jun 22 '26

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I hope it doesn't lead to an sks ban

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u/rastamasta45 Jun 22 '26

Legit wild how other subs are defending the officer for domeing a civilian saying things like “it’s easy for you, this was a stressful situation” and “how can it be a training issue, it’s just unfortunate”

I didn’t know that cops can now shoot civilians when shit gets real or crazy. So when swat kicks a door in they should shoot the hostage because the bad guy startled them. Training literally removes your nerves so you don’t do what that officer did. Absolute training failure and failure on the officer.

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u/King-Conn Jun 22 '26

Yet they will clown on any American officer who makes a mistake. This is a failure in training.

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u/Commercial_Hold7067 Jun 22 '26

It's Reddit. The ideology comes first. It's a female police officer and so if they concede that this particular female officer did something very wrong, they feel it leaves them open to all female officers being criticized. And so they have to look at an officer shooting a civilian point blank and say, "Well uh actually chud she did nothing wrong because you (an untrained civilian with no responsibility or duty to protect citizens) would probably do the same!"

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u/Cool-Hurry5331 Jun 23 '26

I’ve been criticizing female officers long before I saw these news, thank you very much. 

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u/Outside_Musician_865 Jun 23 '26

“Sorry sir I thought he was a dog.”

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u/gamercast1337 Jun 23 '26

Bad example thats just police in general and the ATF specifically 

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u/Current-Speed4096 Jun 23 '26

honestly that was just a tragedy. Both party got their problems. The cop had zero situational awareness, the civie had zero survival instinct.....

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u/Jurple-shirt Jun 23 '26

To be faire, he got stuck in the middle of 2 lines of sight.

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u/Current-Speed4096 Jun 23 '26

as an unarmed person, slowly sneaking up to a person with a gun is just plain stupid. I don't want to bash the deceased anymore, but he definitely wasn't fully understanding the situation. Maybe it was just the shock, maybe I wouldn't have done better in the same situation. I don't know

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u/Jurple-shirt Jun 23 '26

Except he didn't sneak up on anyone lol. She was cowering away turned arround and he was there. Had he run up in her direction he would have gotten shot too. 

Slow and steady is litteraly how you are supposed to behave arround antsy cops. 

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u/Current-Speed4096 Jun 23 '26

slow and steady is how you approach a cop who's aware your existence in the immediate surroundings.

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u/Jurple-shirt Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

Ok, so you recommend he run towards her? Or are you suggesting he sought shelter with the man wearing military fatigues holding a long gun?

You wouldn't have done any better in this man's shoes. You only think you would have because you, unlike him, hold the privilege of hindsight.

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u/Current-Speed4096 Jun 24 '26

you just have hide behind a cop who's getting shot at don't you?

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u/Jurple-shirt Jun 24 '26

The man was behind the cop...

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u/Current-Speed4096 Jun 24 '26

he was a couple steps away from leaving the scene and still chose to approach an armed person with a gun unannounced. What do you think it's gonna happen when this armed cop happens to not have a good trigger discipline? Let's just conclude this as a tragedy and call it a day.

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u/Nova_Bear_95 Jun 25 '26

Im as far as an ACABer as you can get, but even on the r/ProtectAndServe sub they are calling into question (while trying to avoid quarterbacking as much as possible) the lack of tactics on display by the officer who took the shot, it is absolutely a training issue.

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u/FinancialAlbatross92 Jun 24 '26

"I didn’t know that cops can now shoot civilians when shit gets real or crazy."

Happens all the time.

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u/Complete_Ad_1896 Jun 22 '26

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Training helps but it wont turn you into a terminator with no emotions.

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u/rastamasta45 Jun 22 '26

At what point are we allowed to talk about things, I was in the army, we trained on dealing with threats, target identification and most importantly PIT (Positively identify target). Training doesn’t make you a terminator but it provides a muscle memory on rapid responses and making sure you don’t commit the ultimate mistake….killing a civilian.

No cop will ever ever say “it’s okay if it get bad and you accidentally pop someone” no the they make it very clear. You shoot a civvie, you will be charged with murder. Your bullet, your responsibility. How do we prevent this, train so you don’t panic when it happens.

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u/stalker_thezone Jun 22 '26

As a previous LE officer, and Police college firearms instructor. I whole-heartedly can't stress enough how crazy it is seeing civvies thinking they always know better. Training helps period. But it isn't magic. We are human first. Mistakes happen, adrenaline is uncontrollable. It's life, it isn't always pretty and your not always prepared. All you can do is hope when shit hits the fan, you try and be as level headed as possible.

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u/Lumindan Jun 23 '26

It's the same way where Reddit is also an entire group of experts on fighter jets.

People just want to parrot the easy talking point to feel good

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u/Complete_Ad_1896 Jun 23 '26

Yeah and I guarentee about 90% of that training goes out the window when shit hits the fan anyone in the military with any real combat experience would know that. Which indicates to me that you have never seen real combat.

Nobody is saying its ok that she shot a civillain but people are also looking at the situation realistically and understanding her perspective and that most people would have probably done the same thing under the the same circumstances.

Your partners body is less than 4 meters away. You are in cover knowing the shooters still out there and intends you harm you. Its possible you have already lost a bit of blood and your cortisol spiking through the roof next thing you know some unknown individual runs up to you and you have no idea what their intention is or if they are the shooter. Chances are that regardless of your training you are going to react defensively because you know if the shooter ran up on you and you dont react quick you will die. That is the reality

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u/jeff_gzh2003 Jun 22 '26

You’re not the one under fire btw. Must be easy for you to sit in the comfort of your chair and talk about what she should have done. But in her shoes she was unable to see the shooter and she saw someone when she turned around, if she waited and double check she would have been killed just like the first one.

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u/rastamasta45 Jun 22 '26

Again I received military training, they shot at us with training bullets and one time by accident with real bullets (hell of a moment that was).

The purpose of training is that when shit gets real, we know how to act and not make the ultimate mistake. You can’t say to people “well you never got shot at so don’t speak” because in training we can’t actually shoot at each other, so all you can do is train and train and train until it finally happens (which we often pray it never does). This officer failed her training and should be charged accordingly.

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u/Livid_sumo Jun 23 '26

You are saying mistakes should be inexcusable, yet you are also saying you had peers in the army that were so dumb and incompetent there was live ammo fired at you......

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u/rastamasta45 Jun 23 '26

……it was inexcusable, we didn’t make excuses, people were punished. We had another incident where someone died, they were court marshalled immediately

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u/Livid_sumo Jun 23 '26

But yet your chain of command made a series of mistakes that led to live ammo being fired at personel in a non operational setting without any actual stress... id wager to say most of the people you worked with would respond worse then this montreal municipal police officer.

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u/jeff_gzh2003 Jun 23 '26

Received “military training” doesn’t mean a thing. My time in the Canadian army taught me that 80% of the troops aren’t trustworthy with a firearm even after “training”, and don’t even get me started on how effective these training is with them blanks. Half of the troops can’t even shoot straight in their PWT1. I’m not saying she should have shot that dude, but given the circumstances it was a mistake, but training won’t let you overcome your fear of knowing you might die if you don’t kill the shooter first.

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u/rastamasta45 Jun 23 '26

Then you of all people should know, no such thing as a mistake, only negligence. This negligence cost a life

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u/jeff_gzh2003 Jun 23 '26

Sure. You’re only saying this because it was the civi that got shot, if the shooter snuck up on her like the civi and she waited because of her “training”, then she would have been dead. And let me guess, if that were the case, you again would be out there saying “training would help her to shoot on the instinct and she would still be alive”. How your military training would help.

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u/rastamasta45 Jun 23 '26

I have no idea what point you’re making and what you just said was insane dude, you don’t kill someone’s because they snuck up on you, doesn’t matter the circumstances. Killing an unarmed civilian in an active shooter scenario is the opposite of they are supposed to do. I hope she is charged accordingly

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u/jeff_gzh2003 Jun 23 '26

If the world is just full of flawless machines like you then no one would be making mistakes. Go ask your troops in the unit who actually have experience overseas and hear just how many blue on blue incidents there were. I’ve been personally shot by my own section with blanks because I decided to flank around without telling them, and when I popped out of the tree line 3 of them shot at me. I was pre BMQ so I was clueless. But even then I blamed myself for walking in front of my section and not them shooting at me before seeing who it was. Call me insane all you want but let’s see if she’s charged and she’d be sentenced.

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u/arcticrune Jun 22 '26

If she couldn't tell the person she was looking at was the shooter she shouldn't shoot him. If that means she dies so be it.

Sorry if that seems harsh but she chose to be a police officer and that random citizen didn't. So she can either risk her life to protect Canadians or she can find a different job. She doesn't get to risk our lives to maybe make herself safer.

I don't understand how being a cop is like, meaningless nowadays. Not only are you not expected to go out of your way to save people anymore you're not even expected to not shoot civilians. What the hell.

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u/rastamasta45 Jun 23 '26

What you described is called PIT (Positively Identify Target), this is not something you ignore or make excuses for. In an active shooter scenario civilians are running around and freaking out. Police need to discern who is a threat or not, otherwise you’ll have two shooters killing civilians

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u/jeff_gzh2003 Jun 23 '26

Ahh I see you’re just anti female cops. Well look at the shooting in the states where male cop shot and killed a civilian that stopped an active shooter, how about you’re not bring gender in this now?

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u/arcticrune Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

Nothing about the cop matters except that they''re a cop, everything I said applies to all cops.

In fact. This comment is so fucking stupid that you aren't even serious. You're pretending to have a political alignment and views you don't seriously hold in order to discredit people who actually care about womens rights. Which is a fucked up thing to do on a post about a situation where innocent people actually died.

I can tell because I'm pretty sure you're pretending to be someone like me.

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u/Lumindan Jun 23 '26

Accusations of sexism only weaken your argument.

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u/jeff_gzh2003 Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

Not justifying her killing somebody, I’m saying you weren’t there when a man jumped behind your back when you’re being hunted down by a shooter how just shot your colleague. Say what you want but if I was there I can’t even think of how I’d react to it.

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u/Buckisop Jun 24 '26

Try blitzing ANYONE during a firefight and this is the result. It isnt her fault in any capacity

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u/CoolEdgyNameX Jun 22 '26

I don’t think anyone is defending it, they are simply saying that a police officer with a handgun being shot at by someone with a rifle is inherently outgunned. And spoiler alert: we don’t train our police to be these amazing gunfighters both because of cost or political reasons.

And this was not SWAT, this was some poor patrol officer so your comment about swat is even more dumb.

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u/rastamasta45 Jun 23 '26

Buddy, she shoots an unarmed civilian in the head during an active shooter scenario. People are legit commenting “she’s not at fault” or “it’s the guys fault, he should know better” or my favourite “I’d be surprised if she didn’t shoot him”

There’s no excuses, none, it’s a failure of training if it’s individual or police station level. If this was a school shooting there are kids and teachers that literally pop around a corner in a split second while the shooter could also be one of the kids. The officer is not given leeway to pop a kid

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u/CoolEdgyNameX Jun 23 '26

I’m not disagreeing and perhaps I saw different comments than you. But buddy: yoyr “sO wHeN sWaT kIcKs….” Comment was so fucking dumb and unnecessary. Not even close to the same thing.

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u/rastamasta45 Jun 23 '26

I honestly don’t know how that comment was dumb, but you do you boo

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u/CoolEdgyNameX Jun 23 '26

It’s dumb because no one is trying to turn this into somehow justifying shooting unarmed people except you.

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u/rastamasta45 Jun 23 '26

Read the comments I literally saw people say “I’d be surprised if she didn’t shoot him” and “well he snuck up on her so it’s not her fault”