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Weekly Newbies & FAQ Thread - Post your questions here for PAL/RPAL application, timelines, CFSC/CFSRC, references & requirements, or general new to firearms ownership -type questions
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u/ZwickHimself Oct 23 '22
I heard a rumour or bold face lie that the horse boys in NB are working weekends to catch up? Anybody have any factual evidence to this? Or is it just someone’s hope in humanity leading the false narrative?
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u/Steelringin Oct 24 '22
I know the Alberta CFO's office is working weekends. Not sure about their Fed counterparts.
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u/bmathew5 Oct 24 '22
As someone who eventually wants to be a registered gun owner in canada, should i be worried about this temporary freeze?
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u/Steelringin Oct 24 '22
The 'temporary' part of the freeze is only until the bill is passed and becomes law. It will be permanent as soon as that passes. Also, gun owners in Canada aren't registered, they're licensed. Did you mean a restricted gun owner? 'Cause there are still restricted firearms that you can buy such as short barrelled rifles.
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Oct 24 '22
In the future long term maybe
Right now.. only if you want a handgun, AR platform or a SBR in the near future or at all
Liberals are in power for a bit still and likely it will be law before he's voted out if that happens...ffs
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 25 '22
Why did you tack in SBR? There was no change.
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Oct 25 '22
Them and AR platforms not already being "tack"-ed are the most likely next step to full gun control. Anything that looks like it's not for hunting other then center fire low capacity firearms and shotguns. Rifles are nest after they basically make restricted ones unavailable. Who wants to shoots a SBR anyways they're terribly inaccurate even if out for fun they're wastes of ammo that could be used in a real gun that PAL can get ya
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u/Gunsareatool Oct 25 '22
I politely disagree I believe every citizen deserves to own any type of firearm they please no matter what
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
sounds like a guess
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Oct 25 '22
Well no S we won't know till laws pass its speculation given the pms intentions with firearms. It's not like what he's doing is screaming... lets allow automatics and more hand guns... so it's completely obvious it's going the other way like I described and that being the most logical course of action for the liberals and they're agenda.
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 25 '22
Take it to the politics thread, don't confuse newbies with nonexistent laws, thanks.
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u/ZwickHimself Oct 24 '22
Anyone else going slightly crazy waiting for their pal? What’s everyone’s time line whose waiting. Mines as follows Sent pal app sept 2 Received September 8th …. Then nothing lol maybe I’ll feel better once someone opens it and it comes online? Doubtful I paid by money order so no way to see when payment comes out either. Mistakes were made.
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u/chief_robb Oct 24 '22
You will be 2-3 months before you see a credit card charge. Then roughly 1-2 more months until the card is issued. I have seen some faster after credit card charge and some longer.
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u/necros911 Oct 24 '22
Mine received May. Still no CC charge. I’m in Alberta.
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u/chief_robb Oct 24 '22
That’s brutal. My pal was Feb - July. And upgrade to RPAL was august - October.
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u/ZwickHimself Oct 24 '22
I’m hoping that they are finally catching up and that’s closer to the new standard. I just want to be able to have the ability to wait in hold to talk to someone
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u/julian0021 Oct 24 '22
Sent my application in march. Was received march 11th My credit card was charged June 8th still waiting. Gonna give it till the end of the month then gonna call and ask what the hold up is
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u/ZwickHimself Oct 24 '22
Is it showing on the website? If it is try calling your provincial CFO and hopefully you’re in Alberta
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u/cyralax Oct 27 '22 edited Oct 27 '22
Initial review is done on my PAL/RPAL application, does that mean I can start calling my province's(AB) CFO? Or do I just sit tight and wait?
Edit: Nevermind, just checked my online banking this morning and my CC got charged! Should be another couple of weeks/month right?
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Oct 27 '22
Laws involving suppressors
Hello all I am wondering what are the laws involving suppressors when it comes to firearms. I know I could look it up but most of the language used in the gun law can be too vague.
Thank for the advice in advance.
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u/ggdrguy Oct 27 '22
The law is you cannot have any device that lessens the decibels on a gunshot. Any caliber any action. No vagueness there, just not allowed…
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Oct 27 '22
Thank you.
For the vague part I was referring to some of the other laws they sometime use general terms I find so it doesn't click in my head as well as it should.
Would you happen to have a link so can read up. Every time I try to find them I end up in a loop. Or a website quoting the laws
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u/ggdrguy Oct 27 '22
Section 84(1) of the Criminal Code prescribes any device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle or stop the sound or report of a firearm to be a prohibited device. The import or export of a prohibited device by anyone not authorized to do so, or the transfer of a prohibited device to, or its possession by, any person who does not hold a license authorizing its possession, are offences under the Criminal Code.
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Oct 27 '22
Thanks.
That makes me wonder about rifles like the gsg 16 that look like they have a suppressor on them. Are they just muzzle breaks made to look like a suppressor?
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u/ggdrguy Oct 27 '22
They are either muzzle breaks, linear compensator or just a tacticool devise that does nothing but add weight and coolness factor
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 27 '22
Criminal Code of Canada
Definitions
84 (1)
prohibited device means
(a) any component or part of a weapon, or any accessory for use with a weapon, that is prescribed to be a prohibited device,
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(c) a device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle or stop the sound or report of a firearm,
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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Oct 27 '22
Liberal Party saw James Bond or John Wick or whatever and found them too scary. Anything that reduces the noise at all is prohibited. I may be wrong but I believe you also have to be careful with 'Flash Hiders' too because some of them are called "Flash Suppressor" in the name, and the "Suppressor" bit terrifies them.
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u/SlamfireSKS Oct 28 '22
Hi everyone! I recently got my PAL and a few firearms, and have been researching how to clean them. Every method is different and the figuring out what to buy is kind of overwhelming, so if someone could tell me if this method is good, I’d appreciate it.
- Wipe all metal components down with dry shop towel
- Use G96 in really dirty areas to break down grime, wipe away with shop towel
- Lightly coat all metal components in G96 (maybe??)
- Run bore-snake with Hoppe’s #9 bore cleaner down barrel a couple times
- Run bore-snake with Hoppe’s oil down barrel (maybe??)
- Put Hoppe’s oil on rails and high friction areas
- Reassemble
What’s the difference between solvent, oil, and CLP (Is G96 a CLP?), and when do I use each?
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u/pewpewndp Oct 28 '22
This is the kind of question I wish I saw more of in these threads. Excellent discussion
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u/RydNightwish Oct 28 '22
Couple things. Do all your cleaning with solvent first then wipe any excess away. You want that barrel near spotless, so if a wet patch goes through and still comes out with black then keep cleaning. After everything has been cleaned and wiped go back and oil it. Generally oil is for moving parts but a small bit of oil in the barrel never hurts, especially if you are not shooting that particular gun for a while.
Solvent is the cleaner and it can be a matter of personal choice. Currently I use hoppes but I think I might be switching to ballistol once my bottle is empty. Oil is self explanatory and again can be a personal preference on which to use.
Finally, if you shoot any ammo that is corrosive or has the chance to be you will wanna add either a mix of boiling water w/dawn or windex into the cleaning. This will neutralize the salts. So flush the barrel soak any parts that came in contact. Then dry it all and clean/oil as normal.
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Oct 24 '22
Is it legal to call the CFO for my PAL number and have a buddy “transfer” me one of his rifles before the card arrives?
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u/ggdrguy Oct 24 '22
Perfectly legal. You still need to get the approval online for NR’s now but should be able to complete that easily without the physical card.
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u/JJ_Rising17 Oct 24 '22
What are my chances of being denied? I've just taken my non restricted course and will be sending in my paperwork here... But I have taken antidepressants in the past on and off from 2004-2014. Will that cause me to get denied? I haven't been on them for years and have had no issues with depression since then.
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u/ggdrguy Oct 24 '22
You will be fine. Always answer honestly on the Form but you won’t get denied for just that. It may be slightly delayed but that’s it.
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u/Steelringin Oct 24 '22
You may want to include a statement from your doctor saying that you've successfully completed treatment and that there's no cause for concern. Even if you relapse and require treatment again it wouldn't preclude you from maintaining your firearms license or keeping posession of your firearms. What is most important for you and most concerning as it relates to your license is that if you'e experiencing mental illness that you are actively treating it.
I see plenty of people express concern about talking to their doctor about depression, anxiety, whatever because they believe it will mean they'll lose their firearms. While it's certainly possible it would be extremely rare and it wouldn't mean that you forfeit them permanently, just until you've recovered. If your doctor is so concerned for your safety or the safety of others that they're petitioning the police to remove your guns from your posession then it's probably best that you don't have firearms at your disposal.
I know more than a couple of people who were being treated for depression and received their firearms license or started treatment while already posessing firearms and they all currently have their firearms. One of those people voluntarily gave up their firearms for a few months while being treated and got them back without incident.
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u/VTKoganeR2 Oct 24 '22
I managed to purchase a handgun from a business before the ban (on the 20th) and they gave me a Transfer Ref #
Do I need to call in and do anything or just way the x amount of months for the transfer to process (store is in ON, I'm in BC)?
How long does it take for these to get processed lately?
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u/iloveneuro Oct 25 '22
If it was initiated by a business you don’t need to do anything as the buyer.
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u/VTKoganeR2 Oct 25 '22
Okay awesome! Just gotta wait til it gets the clear and I'll get it in the mail haha
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u/FRED040513 Oct 24 '22
When talking about "lighty oiled rag" to oil firearms, can I buy a large cotton rag and once done, soak it and wash it? I'd prefer it to constantly buying small patches.
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u/remms123 Oct 24 '22
Just put it in a zip lock. I’m sure you have a cotton t shirt that needs to be retired into a rag. Don’t waste your money on fancy cleaning shit.
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Oct 26 '22
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u/ZwickHimself Oct 26 '22
No you didn’t, it’s the natural course. It’s frustrating for sure mines been in since the 8th of September and doesn’t show on line. The longer it goes the more annoying it is. From what I can best guess I have another 2 to 4 weeks to wait before it shows online. And then another 2-3 before it’s in my hand. Of course there is A lot of exceptions to this, could be another month and I have it or another year. Take a deep breath check once a day, hope it shows up. Once it’s on and passed the initial stage give it a week or two and start phoning your CFO. Be polite and it will take you far. Good luck and post your time line on the most current post as it progresses. It will help others waiting compare their struggle
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Oct 26 '22
Times seem to be speeding up somewhat, but expect at least 2 months before it shows up online. (just recently it was 3 months)
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u/SlamfireSKS Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22
Ontario PAL:
Received by RCMP August 4th
CC charged October 6th
Approved October 13th
Came in mail October 24th
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u/NHChelling Oct 26 '22
Finally got through to Ontario CFO at 11:30 am. Asked about my July 11th purchases and she told me that they are currently working on July 14th-16, said I should get them with in 2 weeks as they are completed and were in review as its my first Restricted purchases. . According to the spreadsheet I was waiting until Christmas. So I either had it "moved along" if thats possible or they have caught up because alot of redditers who bought in first week of June are just getting them now.
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u/RadioactiveSpiderman Oct 26 '22
Albertan here applied for RPAL almost 2 years ago and it's still on "We have completed the initial review of your firearms licence application. If additional information is required, you will be contacted. Please check the status again at a later date." I prolonged the process by submitted a photo that is over 1 year old, so I resubmitted a fresh new photo last year then still haven't heard and forgot about this until now. Who do I call? How do I speed up the process?
Also how long is the window before it's too late for me to buy a handgun as the ban will take effect on November 9?
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u/Agent_1812 https://youtu.be/mrAwb9ptu9U Oct 26 '22
sorry, too late for a handgun as of last week, Nov. 9 is a myth
call or email your cfo, do it last year
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u/necros911 Oct 27 '22
Has anyone used there visa debit card on there pal or RPAL applications? Seems some say it isn’t accepted. Curious if anyone knows. I keep on trying to get ahold of Alberta CFO which is hard. They end work at 3pm which is stupid.
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u/adrenalineJ92 Oct 27 '22
Trigger lock vs cable lock for handguns. Which is better in terms of safety and security?
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u/iloveneuro Oct 28 '22
Neither is super secure. Cables can be cut and trigger lock can be broken. Invest in a good box.
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u/adrenalineJ92 Oct 28 '22
Why do a lot of people prefer trigger locks than cable?
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 28 '22
A quality combination trigger lock, one for each gun and a spare or two.
They really are only there for security theatre though. I bought a box of five on Amazon for under $50.
Get the ones without a tail so that they fit smaller gun cases.
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u/iloveneuro Oct 28 '22
Probably more durable than cable locks. Easier to use. Not all our stuff locks open so it would be a pain in the ass to try to feed a cable lock through while holding it open. Trigger lock also allows the action to rest closed and not slightly open.
Do they make combo cable locks? If not that’s another reason. Even though both can be defeated, it’s probably a lot easier to cut a cable then to break a trigger lock.
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u/Bots_R_Us Oct 28 '22
Personally prefer a cable lock for (non-wheel) handguns because it prevents loading a magazine. All of them are defeatable, but I like that feature from a cable.
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u/ffyhffh Oct 28 '22
My Chance for getting a PAL?
Hey,
What are my chances for successfully getting a PAL? I had some mental health issues over 10 years ago including a suicide threat and being placed in a psych ward. I got the help I needed and went through university and have been with my current employer for 6 years.
I have a family now and am an avid fisherman and would like to get into hunting and shooting and eventually teach my sons and take them with me.
Do I have a chance?
If I don't are there equally strict requirements for bow hunting or purchasing hunting bows?
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u/afookenleaf Oct 28 '22
You should be good, however you'll need letters/references from the doctors involved to show you no longer are a threat to yourself or others. In cases were applications have "personal history" the review process is MUCH longer than an usual application, your references most likely to be called, etc.
The process might be long and tedious, but I'd say you're more likely then not to get your PAL.
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u/briskwalker5 Oct 28 '22
When your application has completed initial review what does that mean?
What is next and what has been done?
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u/directedbyjyb Oct 29 '22
My references and guarantor signed electronically on my PAL application. Will RCMP reject digital signatures?
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u/lushlobster Oct 26 '22
What are the chances of Canadians getting back the ar15? I heard that the liberals fucked up badly by using the OIC. If that's not the case, than what's the point of taking them to court?
Thanks on advance
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u/Batsinvic888 Bats888 on YouTube Oct 26 '22
I don't know what rumour you heard, but the OIC is not going to be undone by this government. Yes there is a court case and as much as I hope it goes our way, I can't say I'm hopeful. I don't think we have ever gotten a legal win when it comes to banning guns, I can't see it changing now. I think the arguments have merit, but we are relying on improper use of the Firearms Act (most probably way to win) and/or the entire thing being ruled "unreasonable" (very unlikely).
Pierre has promised a rewrite of the Firearms Act, which presumably would revoke C-21, C-71, and the OIC, but it would require a majority.
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u/WhatAShame8 Oct 26 '22
That’s the only gun I still want to complete my humble collection. I don’t want the cope WK180. I got my RPAL right when the ARs got banned in 2020 so i can empathize with all of those who got theirs this year.
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u/lushlobster Oct 26 '22
I heard a rumor that the could be coming back because of the OIC
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Oct 26 '22
It would probably take a Conservative majority government to make AR15's "legal" again. If it does happen, I'm selling my WK180C Gen2 for an AR15.
I don't see any way the liberals would backtrack their AR platform ban regardless of the fuck ups they've done.
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Oct 27 '22
BC restricted transfer:
You all were right, persistence is key. I got through to BC CFO just now and she processed all 5 of my transfers on the spot. Very pleasant and understanding. I apologized for cluttering up her phone line and she said “no problem, squeaky wheel gets the grease.”
All purchases made in September.
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u/Tripdoctor on Oct 24 '22
Is my RPAL essentially useless now? I got it with the sole intention of buying a handgun for competition shooting/to have a hobby to make my own. Been super excited about it.
But now it looks like I’ll never ever get that. What a waste of time and money.
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u/ggdrguy Oct 24 '22
No it isn’t useless. Anything can be reversed with time and the right govt. don’t lose hope and make friends with handgun owners to go to the range👍
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u/Tripdoctor on Oct 24 '22
I just don’t have any real use for a hunting rifle or shotgun. And you don’t need a license to fire a friend’s piece at the range, no?
Thing is, I’m not a big firearms advocate. Not into home-defense or hunting. Just wanted to have a hobby to make my own. I’m not even saying the crime stat numbers they have are false… it just takes the wind out of my sails like you wouldn’t believe.
Then again, I am a licensed security officer. Perhaps I can explore that as a loophole. Does anyone know of anybody that’s gone this route?
Edit: And I hope you’re right. But these things rarely go the opposite way and are not often repealed. Sorry to be such a pessimist.
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u/ggdrguy Oct 24 '22
If you got your RPAL, buy now!! The freeze isn’t on yet, new news just came out!!!
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Oct 24 '22
What spray paint do you guys suggest for painting a firearm. Also how do you get the nice camo designs? Im assuming you use some sort of stencil.. Thanks guys
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Oct 24 '22
Hydrodrip don't spray paint..... if yoy do use some really expensive enamel as the paint will peel off so so easy if you don't. If your using car paint and enamel then disregard what I said and have fun... don't try to cut costs when painting a firearm or you'll regret it... cera cote and hydro dripping are my suggestions and both require equipment and money
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Oct 24 '22
Does anyone know if you need to put a stamp on envelope addressed for Miramichi? I did anyways when I sent it in, but my brother said I didn't need to as gov mail doesnt need stamps?
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Oct 24 '22
It needs a stamp unless you have a duty paid envelope or it states no stamp needed in the stamp spot... you need a stamp for any private mail even if it's to a federal source but sometimes canada post are super heros and just assume it's duty paid based off address. You took a risk there but it has a chance not to be a issue also if you sent the mail with Canada post.
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 25 '22
Yes, stamp required
Mail to your MP does not require a stamp, all other govmail requires a stamp.
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u/Glum_Mix8170 Oct 25 '22
Hi everyone!
I'm going through my PAL application and have a question about section 16. a); specifically with the "Have you ever been charged, convicted or granted a discharge for an offence..." wording. And surely, it must be something other folks have thought about or gone through when submitting their PAL.
I completed a conditional discharge a decade ago, and at the time, a large part of why I agreed to it was because it "must be removed from your record" after three years. Oh, and wanting to move on with my life and the crushing debt I would have incurred from a full trial.
If the idea is that I've met my conditions, and it was discharged and is no longer on my record, then why is it pertinent to the application?
It also seems odd that you can answer no if you received a record suspension or pardon. But only in the sense that with a discharge, you don't have the option of a record suspension, so does that mean those with discharges are always "stuck" with it to some degree?
I'm 99.9999% sure I will consult with a lawyer specializing in this area, but I thought I'd also ask here in the newbies thread.
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 25 '22
So, if you answer truthfully, you have been charged. If they catch you in a lie you will not be granted a license.
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Oct 25 '22
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u/Scopequest Oct 25 '22
Very few people do a search on themselves as a part of getting a pal/gun.
According to the OPP site that came up as the second result when I searched "How much does a police check/criminal record check cost in Ontario Canada" it's 41 dollars.
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u/UnderstandingFirm432 Oct 25 '22
Any recommendations for a 308 between Ruger American with Vortex crossfire scope and Savage Axis 2 XP with Bushnell Banner scope, like $130 difference. Or, something different at similar price range?
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u/ggghosted Oct 26 '22
Can Glock magazine base plates be removed in Canada for cleaning?
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Oct 26 '22
What you are not permitted to do is, even for an instant, remove whatever is being used to restrict your magazine to 10 rounds. If that is a plug (or whatever) attached to the base plate, you may not remove it from the base plate, even during cleaning.
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u/TheSmallSlice Oct 26 '22
So I received an email back from the cfo Ontario's office, they weren't really able to help with what I wanted but that's to be expected. They did however kindly mention the email address for the "central processing site" where they said my PAL application should be at. So perhaps that may lead somewhere. Probably not but we shall see.
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Oct 26 '22
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Oct 26 '22
For Alberta, you can just call the provincial CFO's office after about 3 weeks 'to check on the status' and they will usually approve it while you are on the phone. You are way over 3 weeks, so you should be good now. It can take some persistence to get through to an agent, but just keep trying. Right at opening and at 12:30 seem to be the best time.
You can find the phone number here
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u/Upper-Box-1486 Oct 26 '22
Ontario PAL and RPAL Received by RCMP August 4th Received in mail today
None of my references were contacted
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Oct 26 '22
Right I have another question.
Revolving shotgun?
I was looking around and saw a beautiful revolving shotgun a .410ga if I remember correctly. My friend said it might not be a good idea and I do agree with him but they just look so nice. So I want to get other people's opinions.
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Oct 27 '22
Probably not super for hunting (not sure the legality of a 6 round revolver when you are only allowed 2 in the magazine), probably not super for trap shooting. But it sure would be fun, and a real conversation starter!
I saw a .410 lever gun. If I recall, it was a modern reproduction of a Winchester '94
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u/fuzzyishlogic Oct 27 '22
Any recommendations for a tactical restricted rifle before Trudeau prohibits them all?
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u/LEGENDK1LLER435 Oct 27 '22
Just got my first 2 restricted transfers complete. Do I need to register them myself or is the registration coming automatically?
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Oct 27 '22
Anyone have a good Canadian youtube channel (that is active) to recommend as I love finding Canadian channels that review, show, shoot what is available to us. But most I find now haven't posted in like 2 to 6 years.
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u/ggdrguy Oct 28 '22
I just searched the sub cuz I knew there was a good list somewhere so here ya go
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u/BrotherVorst CCFR MEMBER MB Oct 28 '22
Anybody here from MB with an ETA for restricted transfers? Completed the transfer back in mid September and haven't received an email from the CFP yet.
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u/Rhowryn Oct 29 '22 edited Oct 29 '22
Oh buddy. Mine went in late June. Might depend on CFO but I doubt it. Ontario though At least prior transfers will still go through.
Edit: I'm just saying it's taking a long ass time.
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u/_Connor Oct 29 '22
What?
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u/Rhowryn Oct 29 '22 edited Oct 29 '22
I bought a handgun in June. The transfer has not yet gone through as of nearly November. That's how backlogged they are.
Edit: the gun store hasn't heard anything either, but was told that transfers prior to the sale ban will be completed.
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u/_Connor Oct 29 '22
but was told that transfers prior to the sale ban will be completed.
This has been known for months. It's written into the text of Bill C-21.
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u/Rhowryn Oct 29 '22
Someone asked about the time restricted transfers are taking, I responded with an anecdote of how backlogged the office is, with the implication that it's taking much longer. Don't know why you're so upset.
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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Oct 29 '22 edited Oct 29 '22
When submitting a photo for your PAL application, what do they mean by "The photo must be original, not taken from an existing photo"?
Do they mean that you can't crop your face from a photo, or that the photo has to be brand new for your application? Because I have a really good, clear photo which fits the requirements that I took for my work visa a few months ago and am unsure if I can use that again or not.
Edit: Also, which parts of the PAL can/can't be filled out digitally? Can I type in the details digitally then have the references/guarantor sign it or does the whole thing need to be done digitally? And does their signature have to be done physically or digitally? Thanks.
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u/iloveneuro Oct 29 '22
For the photo, it means don’t crop it from another photo.
For the application, all the parts that allow you to type in the form can be typed. You will need to print it for signatures, and you have to mail it anyway. I wouldn’t fuck around with digital signatures in case they won’t accept it.
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u/directedbyjyb Oct 29 '22
Does anyone know the possibility of getting PAL if you’re a non-resident/non-citizen of Canada?
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u/_Connor Oct 29 '22
Non-residents can apply. I know a Chinese guy who was here for school on a temporary visa who got his RPAL last year.
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u/GnocchiPestoLiberty Oct 29 '22
Help, Can someone help me find images of canadian gun catalogues from the 70s, with machineguns on them?
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Oct 30 '22
I was told to post this here. So since handguns are banned for purchases, what are some fun guns, to shoot?
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Oct 30 '22
What the feck do I do if I got a musket ball stuck in the barrel of a muzzle loaded firearm with a powder charge behind it
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 30 '22
Ball screw
Or pull the nipple and put some FFFFg in there, reassemble and shoot
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Oct 23 '22
I’m confused are we still allowed to bring our handguns to the range?
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u/Steelringin Oct 23 '22
If you're licensed to own handguns (RPAL) and you have your registration certificate and ATT then you can still bring your handguns to the range.
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u/_Connor Oct 23 '22
There are zero changes to what you're allowed to do with the handguns you already own.
The new law simply stops handguns from being registered to new people.
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Oct 24 '22
Heads up to anyone applying for a PAL; do not use debit/credit cards to pay for your license it will get stuck in processing amd not go through. Webservices doesn't update info that intricately. They send you a notice but they're 2-3 months behind sending out payment declined notices as in my cc was last tried Aug 5 (every 2 months they try again and dont send out a notice till you start inquiring heavily about it) and cfo just said the notice was sent last week for me but i havent got it yet. Use pre Auth money orders from a bank payable to the AG... 100% no issues if you do but don't make them have to sign for it to cash it or it will take a very very long time.
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u/necros911 Oct 24 '22
I used my Visa debit card as I don’t have a CC. Haven’t been charged anything yet. Hope that’s not why I’ve been waiting forever for a charge.
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 25 '22
Ooof, I don't think they accept Visa debit. Only CC. You should call in.
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u/necros911 Oct 25 '22
Interesting. On my application it never said it didn’t. But that could be the hold up. Not sure why they wouldn’t get in contact with me if they can’t receive payment but whenever I can get through to CFO I will figure it out.
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 25 '22
Nothing in the application about debit cards. Visa Debit ≠ Visa CC
- Indicate method of payment. Do not send cash.
Make certified cheque or money order payable to Receiver General for Canada.
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Oct 24 '22
If I was you I'd send them a money order... the only way I was able to address this was by contacting my MP an dhaving them have the CFO check it and he told me not the processing office.. I would say send a money order, they just kept telling me automated responses like check the website.ect and a day later the cfo called me after sending me a auto response to jsut wait the day before because my mp called him today to resolve it... he instantly helped me and I found out it was a card type issue. He said money order 100% works everytime but don't make the payee have to sign for it to cash it and send it 1 day priority mail the cfo gets it soon as it's payed and often the verdict is already decided at that point so two weeks after they get your paperwork you'll have a card
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u/necros911 Oct 24 '22
I keep trying to get ahold of Alberta CFO seems they always closed. Just annoying as hell. RCMP website says initial review bullshit and that’s it. They’ve had it since May. Never heard of this possible issue until now. Never had problem with Visa debit but could be issue. Thanks for the tip.
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Oct 24 '22
It took 2 days to talk and get my consent form to my local mp. It took them less than 24h after getting my consent form to contact ONTARIOS cfo and then also him calling me before his shift ended to get me all info all at once and was super polite and helpful. These conservative mps are a differnet breed of politicians theyre fricken super efficient.. or at least my mp was she's a gem! Me either with the debit cc thing.
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u/necros911 Oct 25 '22
Thanks a lot for your input. First time someone had a plausible explanation to this bullshit wait.
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Oct 25 '22
Agreed I'm with TD if you are too that makes sense and they even said they don't know why it failed. Meh it's worth the extra cash just to see what comes first.. wait a week and email your local MP just as a precaution. Might get charged twice or you might not either way I guarantee it will work faster with my suggestion
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Oct 25 '22
Okay so I purchased a handgun mid-august but my transfer hasn't gone through yet. Am I still gonna get it or....?
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u/justsomeguy1919 Oct 26 '22
Hey, does anyone have the Alberta CFO extension number?
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u/Agent_1812 https://youtu.be/mrAwb9ptu9U Oct 26 '22
Nylon 66 folks: how does one employ this "magazine lock"
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/remington/rifles-rem/nylon-66
It holds the magazine together
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u/StarFoxTheSquid Oct 28 '22
taking restricted firearm to the range without papers
Hello all, I have done some research and it seems very confusing on whether I can take my firearm to the range before I receive registration in the mail. I have my dad coming into town and I would really like to take him to use my new cz. He won't be back till the new year.
As far as I understand, even if I get pulled over, I can show them the email that I got to transfer it. If they refuse that, then they can seize it, then I just need to bring physical registration within 14 days to retrieve it.
Are there any other more serious consequences? And is it illegal for me to do?
Any help is much appreciated!
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Oct 28 '22
Just don't, wait the few weeks or so it'll be less of a hassle for you. You really don't want police seizing your firearms they'll be damaged when you get them back
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 29 '22
RCMP sez no, while this may not be law as you interpret it, your freedom and license would be at risk.
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u/iloveneuro Oct 28 '22
You are correct but I don’t personally see “the cops will seize it and I need to go back and prove it’s mine” as anything less than a huge fucking deal. I wouldn’t risk it. I especially wouldn’t want to be waiting at the mailbox for my stuff to arrive before the deadline. Wayyyy too risky.
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Oct 25 '22
Going for PAL in November
Hello There:
I am going for my PAL in November and I have bin looking at rifles (non-restricted) just to see what my options will be when I get my license. I just want to see what recommendations and/or advice I could get from here.
There was a few rifles I was looking at:
Rifles:
- Wk180/180 gen or the new-ish the 7.62 version
- A Mosin Nagant
- A Carcano
- A SKS preferably the Russian version
- A lever action
Looking forward to the comments.
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 25 '22
Start with a 22lr rifle to learn how to shoot without a flinch. Mapleseed
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Oct 25 '22
Thank you for the advice. But thankfully there is a range in my town that let's you shoot without a license (under supervision of course). They are super thorough with instructions and how to shoulder it properly as well as proper firearm safety. So far I have shot: .22lr, 9mm, 40 S&w, 357 mag, 5.56, 7.62, and a 12ga.
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 25 '22
I did the same, then got license, then learned to shoot from a coach. (Well coaches, archery, shotgun, rifle, pistol) Very much different than ½ hour plinking.
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Oct 25 '22
Don't get a WK they jam a lot and even the gen 2 are a hassle and need upgrades like deflectors and more rail space just to shoot comfortably... Crusaders are a better choice or fully mod out a SKS to something more modern. Golden boy are good lever actions if you want a suggestion.
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Oct 30 '22
Question related to RPAL and handgun transfers...
I'm still waiting on my physical licence to show up in the mail (have had my PAL for years but just upgraded to RPAL), but my CFP portal has been updated and states that I am now legally able to purchase both Non-Restricted and Restricted firearms.
Do I have to wait for the physical license to show up, or can I go ahead and purchase a Restricted firearm using my existing PAL number?
I've also heard that the ban on handgun transfers has been delayed until November 9th at the earliest. Does anyone know if that has been confirmed 100%?
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u/panzermeister36 Oct 30 '22
It's a myth that it's delayed until the 9th. It took effect October 21st.
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u/afookenleaf Oct 25 '22
booby traps are illegal
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 26 '22
A explosive charge in a booby trap, good luck with that.
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Oct 26 '22
Maybe you want to consult a lawyer concerning your legal liability when you set a trap, even if the injury is accidental.
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u/skatlols Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
Hello. I just got confirmation I passed by CFSC. Originally wanted to try the CFSRC before applying for my PAL.
Any reason to even do the CFSRC course, at this point? For instance, what gun that may not be affected by the handgun ban is found on the restricted list?
Also, I still need to finish the CFRSC and get my results before applying for the PAL, correct? What if I applied for the PAL right now and did my CFRSC while it's still being processed? How would restricted firearms be added to my licence then?
Tks
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u/_Connor Oct 25 '22
There are hundreds of restricted firearms that aren't handguns and there's also always a chance the freeze gets reverted by a future government.
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u/panzermeister36 Oct 25 '22
There is reason to go for restricted, seeing as it's possible some non-restricted firearms may be moved to the restricted category. And it's also possible that eventually handgun transfers will be allowed again, and if that announcement comes then there will be long waiting times for the restricted course.
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u/skatlols Oct 25 '22
I thought so (about the long waitlist in case of reversal).
Are you privy to a way that the current govt could make the current ban permanent, and that, as such, any future govt could not reverse it? I'm not very knowledgeable on the topic, but there is no such thing as permanent, law-wise....just very hard to undo. And unless it requires the constitution to be opened, most statutes are not that hard to undo, especially by any future majority govt.
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Oct 26 '22
Our system of government does not allow a past government to handcuff a new government. The only thing is a constitutional change, or a supreme court ruling. Neither of those have any real chance of happening.
However, making a law (vs. OiC) definitely makes it more difficult to undo.
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u/Distinct_Page_9628 Oct 25 '22
Short barrel rifles?
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u/skatlols Oct 25 '22
Yep. It's basically short barrelled rifles plus handgun with barrels a certain length (although now handguns are banned). This, yeah, doesn't seem to cover much that's legal, anymore.
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u/Prize-Newspaper703 Oct 25 '22
Just got off the phone with CFO and they are still working through transfer from June.
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u/Uzithehunter Oct 26 '22
Bro my application was received on June 16, card was charged on September 01, and no update yet. Should come in soon hopefully! I'm in Ontario though
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u/_Connor Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
What the hell do I do?
Nothing? This is on par with normal timelines. It can be 2+ months after the CC charge until the card is issued. Sometimes as much as 3 or 4. You're only 6 weeks removed from the CC charge.
General rule for the last few years has been 6 months from when you mail it, and that's assuming there's no issues/flags with your application.
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Oct 26 '22
Well you missed the train on the handguns so might as well just wait now.
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u/Ajax_The_Bulwark Oct 23 '22
I just bought my first gun and I'm looking to find an out of the way spot I can shoot on crown land without disturbing anyone, preferably north east of Toronto. Any suggestions on spots I can try, or tools that can help?
I just have a .22lr at the moment and plan on shooting paper, if that matters.
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u/Embarrassed_Sea6750 Oct 25 '22
Hello everyone, I FINALLY got my PAL in the mail! Took exactly 4 months to get, I live in Alberta.
Final PAL Alberta Timeline Update (non-restricted):
Application sent express mail: June 24, 2022
Application received by RCMP: June 30, 2022
CC Charged and initial review: Sept 15 2022
Application approved/issued: October 5 2022
Finally have license in hand: October 25 2022
Good luck everyone! And thanks to everyone for their help. Still debating if I am going to do the restricted.