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Weekly Newbies & FAQ Thread - Post your questions here for PAL/RPAL application, timelines, CFSC/CFSRC, references & requirements, or general new to firearms ownership -type questions
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u/_Connor Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 18 '22
For those asking if transfers in the queue will be honored if they're not processed before the freeze hits.
Scroll down to section 47 of the Bill
47 Section 12.2 of the Firearms Act, as enacted by section 17, does not apply in respect of a registration certificate for which an application was submitted in accordance with section 54 of that Act before the day on which that section 17 comes into force
Section 17 of C-21 amends the section 12 of the current Firearms Act to prohibit transfers. Any transfer submitted before C-21 comes into force is exempt from section 12.2 and the freeze.
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Aug 18 '22
So it will be honoured? This lawyer writing hurts my brain
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u/_Connor Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22
Yes. There's 3 different sections and two instruments in play here.
Firearms Act
Provision 12.2 will be the new provision that prohibits the transfer of handguns. This is not in force in but will be as soon as C-21 gets royal assent.
Bill C-21
This is the instrument used to actually amend the Firearms Act.
Section 17 of Bill C-21 amends the Firearms Act, creating the new section 12.2 that prohibits transfers as described above.
Section 47 of Bill C-21 says section 12.2 of the Firearms Act as enacted by section 17 of Bill C-21 does not apply to any transfers in progress before section Bill C-21 comes into force.
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u/Kidkyler Aug 19 '22
June 1st transfer completed on Tuesday, August 16. Toronto!
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u/IsopodEnjoyer Aug 14 '22
Anyone else unable to access their application status? I was charged on the 29th and have had no problem viewing it until yesterday. Now whenever I check it says there is an error and the page cannot be displayed.
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22
Website down because the manager's nephew is on vacation and nobody else knows how the internets work.
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u/mrcanada99 Aug 14 '22
Yes, the exact error I'm getting - on Firefox, edge and chrome, is
"Error
This page can't be displayed. Contact support for additionalinformation.The incident ID is : N/A."
Does this match your issue?
I've been having this issue for about a week. I've tried with both GCKey and with a sign-in partner (TD). I'm attempting to log in to renew my PAL/RPAL before the end of November 2022 deadline.
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u/IsopodEnjoyer Aug 14 '22
That's exactly the message I get. I've tried on different devices as well as networks and I still get the message.
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u/nolan8827 Aug 17 '22
Looks like SK CFO is up to June 21st transfers. Just got transfer notice for my p320 this morning
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u/sassylyfe Aug 15 '22
Alberta RPAL timeline:
Application sent in: April 22
Application received: April 28
CC Charged: July 28
Approved and sent in mail: August 15 (today!)
Approval could’ve happened last week but the website portal was down so who knows. Just happy that it’s sent and now just waiting for it to come in the mail! Woohooo
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u/justatypo Aug 16 '22
I finally logged into this
"We have completed the initial review of your firearms licence application. If additional information is required, you will be contacted. Please check the status again at a later date."
And they charged my CC, but they only charged for the RPAL cost when I applied for PAL+RPAL.
When applying for both at once do you only pay one fee or should I foresee issues. Also, what's the typical wait time from this point forward?
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u/Shorinji23 Aug 16 '22
Only one fee, probably be about a month to issue your card if everything goes smoothly.
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u/ghost_ghost_ Aug 18 '22
Ontario PAL timeline:
Paperwork received - May 2nd, Initial review processed - Aug 2nd, Approved, license issued - Aug 15th
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Aug 18 '22
congrats and fuck you. also ontario, app received 2/24.
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u/ghost_ghost_ Aug 18 '22
Damn - A very understandable fuck you at that!
Hope it comes soon!
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u/salazar_0333 on/qc Aug 18 '22
Man so lucky, I'm still waiting since February and they keep telling me to expect even longer delays. Was it PAL or RPAL as well?
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u/Agent_Smithx2 Combloc best bloc Aug 19 '22
If anyone is looking for Glocks, Alflahertys in Ontario still has a few left, and Prophet River in Alberta also have some left
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u/giovannigionta Aug 20 '22 edited Aug 20 '22
Honestly I think it will be the contrary. Now that the small stream of new guns is coming to an end, most retailers are boosting their prices (sometimes significantly). Next will be the used market, it will slowly dwindle and the prices should go up. Maybe at the very end there will be some fire sales on the stock that nobody really wants.
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u/sevenseascapes Aug 20 '22
So they sent you a letter to ask for the equivalent of the cost of sending the letter. Gotta love bureaucracy.
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Aug 20 '22
Perhaps the price changed between the receipt of the two applications. Or one officer allowed it and another did not.
The table below captures the fees that changed as of March 31, 2022
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u/Imaginary-Throat6951 Aug 20 '22
Yes definitely worth it they can take the payment over the phone and approve the license if all else checks out right away
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u/Pwnzzor Aug 20 '22
Ontario RPAL time line:
- Mailed April 22
- Received May 2nd
- Card charged August 2nd
- Approved August 18th
My question is none of my references were called, or spouse talked to before approval. Is that the norm? I would have thought especially with an RPAL that they would do a bit more digging.
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u/Grimmerthan Aug 21 '22
I'm in Alberta. I also expected them to call references. But, now I suspect they may call references when they're processing the first restricted purchase. Or, they could just look at the trustworthy person in the photo and stamp it :)
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Aug 21 '22
Pretty sure they only call references if you checked off one of the personal question boxes
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u/Tenke1993 Aug 14 '22
For those that have purchased a handgun from a store that sells handguns, please stop calling /posting about your 100+ calls to your CFO.. You're only taking up time of CFO's and it just looks weird asf... There has been a massive surge in sales due to the incoming ban.. years worth of handguns sold within weeks. Just relax, quit acting like an unhinged moron. Leave the phone lines open for those that are doing private sales of handguns.
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u/DJ_Necrophilia Aug 14 '22
Is the rcmp website still down for everyone else, or just me?
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u/dadd_bodd Aug 15 '22
Anyone sending in the application triple check that your references aren't idiots and make sure they put 2022 instead of 2021 had my application sent back and I had to have him re-ign it and send it back to them.
Application recieved March 16.
Cc charged June 16
Application sent back to me June 29
Sent back July 4 and CFO still doesn't have the application says it's still sitting in processing.
Unlikely people will still be messing up dates but please just triple check everything. Learn from my mistake.
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u/FRED040513 Aug 17 '22
Should I be worried that I still can't see my application status? I sent my application May 16th and the site still says: "We do not have any information that matches this data."
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Aug 17 '22
PAL:
Received 15 March.
CC charged 10 June.
Been at Initial Review Complete since then. What should I do? As the name says, I’m in the Yukon.
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u/BopplzLife British Columbia Aug 17 '22
Call the actual CFO (regular CFP 1800 number, extension 9530 for BC & Yukon) every month or so for an update, it might just end up sitting on someones desk and not being approved like my mom's did, we called and the woman said, "oh yea it's just sitting on my coworkers desk, they haven't gotten around to it yet" she pulled up the application, asked a couple of questions and approved it on the spot.
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u/TSYH_06 Aug 19 '22
Ontario PAL & RPAL timeline:
Mailed: Apr. 7 (registered mail)
Received: Apr. 11
CC charge & initial review completed: Jul. 11
License approved: Aug. 9
Received in mail: Aug. 19
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Aug 19 '22
Bruh I’m losing hope with my application everytime I see close timelines
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u/ZP_NS Aug 19 '22
Finally! Supposed to arrive in 2 weeks my PAL.
I was checking every day and finally decided to email the CFO and literally he answered in 20min saying it is approved and the website updated as well. So if you are waiting a long time try emailing them. Phoning does not work
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u/throwa37 Aug 20 '22
So if you are waiting a long time try emailing them
I did this about a week ago, actually, because my renewal's been taking months, and I'm worried that I'll lose my transfers if my license expires. I got a reply the next day that they forwarded my renewal (and my question about losing my transfers) to the CFO (Ontario).
I haven't heard anything else yet, and the application is still in progress, but it's at least encouraging that they responded so fast.
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u/soggycereal7 Aug 18 '22
It's already been said, but please stop phoning the CFP/CFO about your transfers. So long as they've been submitted, they will go through eventually, getting off the phone will help speed things up drastically.
I'm having a hell of a time trying to get through to initiate a private transfer.
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u/Ordinary-Commercial9 Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22
Anyone know currently timeline for NOVA SCOTIA transfers? Also has anybody ever seen a transfer be denied?
I currently have a transfer in for a handgun I recently sold and I'm worried to spend the funds prior to the transfer clearing with everything going on.
Got my eyes on a local gun and am worried to miss out, but equally as worried to spend the funds and have something go wrong with my transfer and have to return the funds after spending them LOL
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u/Marinoni Aug 14 '22
My transfer was approved in 24hrs last week with the NS CFO. This was a transfer between individuals.
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u/SharkFriend15 Aug 15 '22
I'm 16 and an thinking of getting the minors license as it automatically upgrades once I turn 18 to my understanding. I also want to do the RCFSC course but since I need to wait to be 18, I'm wondering if it costs the same to do the non restricted course then do the restricted once I'm old enough. I asked a few people and didn't get a very straight answer, but would it cost more to wait and do the restricted? Someone told me you have to redo the CFSC so you pay more. So basically, if you do the minors license, then wait and do the RCFSC are you paying the same or more vs waiting to be 18, and doing both RCFSC and CFSC. Hope that made sense
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u/BopplzLife British Columbia Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 15 '22
A Minor's Firearms License does NOT automatically upgrade to a PAL when you turn 18.
The license expires on the day that you turn 18 and you have to apply for the PAL just like everybody else, Minor's License or not. Only difference is you get to check the "I have a Minor's Licence and I request a Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL)" box on the PAL application form which may get your application processed faster and you are exempt from the 28 day waiting period required by Section 5 of the Firearms Licenses Regulations.
The CFSC course report you got as a minor is still valid when you apply for your PAL and is good for life, just don't lose it (make a digital copy just in case), that is the proof you took and passed the course, I would assume just like everything to do with the CFP it would be a titanic hassle to get a copy of the course report from the CFO of the province you took the course in. (Do not send them the original course report you are given when you pass, send them an unaltered photocopy printed on plain white printer paper, the original you take home is your copy and your proof of passing the course, keep it just like you would the original of any important document.)
You can attend the CRFSC as a minor but you can't take the test so it doesn't count as passing the CRFSC as required to apply for an RPAL. It would be for educational purposes only and that one, you would have to pay for again when you turn 18 to be able to take the test and pass. To my knowledge you have to have taken the CFSC as a prerequisite prior to taking the CRFSC, some course providers may provide both and decide to bundle them together and you get a discount if you buy the bundle rather than buying both courses separately, although I have never heard of this being a thing. I don't see price being any less if you took them one after another as an adult rather than the CFSC as a minor and CRFSC as an adult. (Unless of course they change the price of the courses.) They also would not happen on the same day, they would happen separate days and with some providers the even just the CFSC is spread out between two days to get the minimum of 8 hours total required.
If you decide decide to apply for and get issued a minors license (I recommend that you do) and you wish to keep having a license as an adult you should send in your completed PAL application 6 months before your 18th birthday to prevent any lapse in being able to possess a firearm.
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u/iloveneuro Aug 15 '22
OP and you don’t mention provinces so don’t know if it’s different but in Ontario I was provided with 2 copies of the course results STAMPED by the FSEO. I was required to provide an original to CFP with my application. I don’t think you can send a photocopy but again, this was Ontario.
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u/KennethPatchen Aug 15 '22
Question on Moving: I can't get through to the RCMP - the line just keeps hanging up on my ass!
I want to start the licensing process but will be moving soon. Don't want to wait to move, change all my documents and THEN send in my application. Thoughts on this being a major pain in the ass?
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u/jk_can_132 Aug 15 '22
RCMP site having issues? I am trying to check my application and seems the site is erroring out then upon a refresh, it says it can't find my application. I have been checking the status daily for over a month now and no updates to tell me approved or denied just the still processing message. Is this likely the RCMP site having issues or something else?
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u/Curious_Dress591 Aug 15 '22
Application Error An application error has occurred. The application’s administrators have been notified. Please log back in and try your operation again. If this error persists, please contact the policy centre at 1-800-731-4000. Because I tried calling and they said they're call-in volume is high and they hung up
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u/norcm1a Aug 16 '22
I called over 16 times today and got hung up on or received the same message as you.
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u/Silentcloner bc Aug 15 '22
Which part of the WK180C is classified as legally being the firearm? Is it just the lower?
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u/Shot_Ad_2499 Aug 16 '22
Just a general question about restricted wait times in Ontario atm.
Ordered Glock 17 Gen 5 thru Rampart Corp June 2, got reference # July 7 - still waiting.
Ordered CZ P10F thru Tenda, got reference # August 9 - still waiting
Ordered Sig Sauer P320 AXG Optic Ready thru Easthill Outdoors August 8th (still don't have reference #) - still waiting
Anybody got anything back you bought in July yet?
My reference #s both start w 59____
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u/BillionNewt Aug 16 '22
See here crowdsourced estimates from CGN https://i.ibb.co/Y0FP38j/Not-Proccessed-Aug16-All.jpg
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u/CringelordCameron Aug 16 '22
I believe they are still working on June 1 transfers, it's going to take a long time for anything bought in July to get approved.
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u/cowontag11 Aug 16 '22
You'd need to supply the first 4 digits of your transfer number to get an idea of where you are.
If your June purchase didn't get called in and assigned till July that will cost you a few months unfortunately.
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u/pickledshallots Aug 16 '22
Just got my PAL approved today! I know this question has been asked before but I wasn’t able to find it when I searched today… do I have to wait for the physical copy to come in the mail or am I able to order online if I so choose at this point? Which number on the RCMP website represents my PAL #? Is it the same as the application number?
Edit: Ontario — Sent April 28, CC charged July 30, PAL approved yesterday or today (Aug 15/16)
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u/Grimmerthan Aug 16 '22
Make sure you get your expiry date too.
Use that for a ranger membership.
Then use all of that to find something you'd like to purchase.
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u/papaknowsit Aug 19 '22
Applied for PAL and RPAL. Just got my PAL in the mail. Is RPAL and PAL two different cards? Are they usually sent together or separate?
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Aug 19 '22
PAL sent April 28th
RCMP Recieved May 31st
Website updated August 19th
Awaiting license approval now...
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u/luckyurang5 Aug 23 '22
BC PAL restricted and non restricted Timeline
Exam given - 25-01-2022
Mail to RCMP- 30-01-2022
Recieved by RCMP - 07-2-22
Fee deducted $83.40 - 22-04-22
Updated on website - 30-05-2022
Approved when I checked web - 13-08-2022
Got in mail ----- 22-08-2022
🎉Total time when they received application and when I received card in my hand - 6 months 15 days.
🎉Got card without back magnetic strip , non restricted, Restricted mentioned back side.
😔 Checked all store online but non of them have P226, P229 , P320
Tenda , Cabella , Reliable Gun stores out of stock.
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u/pats_28 Aug 14 '22
Anyone know where ON is with their transfers. I bought my handgun on June 3 and nothing yet
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u/Stock_Proof3539 Aug 14 '22
Does it take longer to get approved for an RPAL than it does for a PAL? And does anyone know the difference in time?
Is the application and level of scrutiny the same for both?
I'm in Ontario btw, if that matters.
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u/LePapaPapSmear Aug 14 '22
From my understanding you're looking at the same amount of time. It's "faster" to do it all at once so you aren't stuck with the mandatory 30 days when upgrading.
Scrutiny should be about the same unless you answer yes to any of the mental health questions. At that point it's anyone's guess how long it could take.
Expect about 3-6 months at a minimum
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u/outline8668 Aug 14 '22
Historically it took a little longer for the rpal because they would call to verify your references for rpal where for pal they don't. According to some, currently with the cfp being so busy they are not calling references now.
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Aug 14 '22
Three years ago they didn't call references.
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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Aug 14 '22
Same time, they never called my wife's or my references
Rumour is that three civilians retired and they aren't replacing them at CFOON
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u/MayorMcCheese92 Aug 14 '22
I have a few pistols that arent MOS or optic ready (just steel sights), would it be possible for a gunsmith or someone to make them “mos” or “optic ready”? Is this a thing or am i just a tard?
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u/vivzzie Aug 14 '22
It is possible but quite a bit expensive. I’ve seen it anywhere from $200-$500 to get it done.
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u/westleysnipes604 Aug 15 '22
Ask Blackbox customs. Or check their website for pricing. If it is a Glock with no optic cut it is for sure doable. Some guns aren't able to be milled for optics.
You gotta figure out what optic you like and mill that particular footprint .
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u/asdfgeez Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 21 '22
Anybody experiencing a very long time to have your application processed? I sent my PAL/RPAL application in 82 days ago and individual web services shows that they haven’t even gotten to mine yet. Is this a normal timeline?
Edit: You guys were pretty spot on, I just got my approval at almost exactly the 3 month mark.
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Aug 15 '22
Mine was 3 months to the day, I noticed that pattern with other people too. You are close to that mark.
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u/InevitableFly Aug 15 '22
I submitted mine in April and got it last week with zero calls for contacts and no hold ups. It just took forever and mine was an upgrade from pal to rpal
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u/asdfgeez Aug 15 '22
I’m glad to hear there were no hiccups on your end my friend. I’m really hoping I get mine soon, I’m worried that there is some kind of error lol.
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u/iloveneuro Aug 15 '22
3 months is the standard wait time to have your credit card charged/initial review done. Have yet to hear anyone get faster then that. After initial review it varies. Mine was mailed to approve 4.5 months in Ontario.
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Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 15 '22
So, I know that firearms must always be pointed down the range when unpacking/packing it. What's the proper procedure to unpack/pack multiple firearms if they are stored in a hard case pointing in opposite directions?
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u/ClemementineSweetie Aug 15 '22
Take out the one pointing down range... Spin the box around, take out the other...
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u/iloveneuro Aug 15 '22
Yup that is all silliness anyway. As if closing the box means its not pointing anywhere anymore.
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u/chowdowncowtown Aug 15 '22
How long does it typically take for a PAL application to show up on the RCMP web services portal? I sent mine by registered mail and they received it about 7 weeks ago, but the portal still says my info doesn't exist in the system. Does it not show up until CC is charged?
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u/pats_28 Aug 15 '22
Would it be unrealistic to think I won’t get my June 3 ON transfer approved for a year. Pre-proposed bill I waited 4 weeks to get my transfer approved. With the rumours claiming almost an an entire years supply of pistols were sold within a week - could we be looking at insanely long wait times in ON?
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u/giovannigionta Aug 15 '22
I hope for you it is not the case. I don’t think it will take one year but it will definitely be a long wait.
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u/BillionNewt Aug 16 '22
June 3 will probably be taken care of in Sept/Oct at current Ontario rates, IF your initiation was in June 3, and not purchase date. You can give the first 4-5 digits of transfer reference number to get a clearer picture of which date it was intiated.
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Aug 15 '22
I still can't access the individual web services to check my application status, is anyone else having this problem? I haven't been able to check it since last Thursday.
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u/chief_robb Aug 16 '22
What is the procedure for upgrading to a RPAL? I sent in the application and it has been received. When I check the status online it shows the approval from my PAL. Will this change to “initial review” once it’s in the system? Then follow the same rough timeline?
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u/Marinoni Aug 16 '22
Once your CC is charged the status will update to it being received and completed the initial review. I believe that's taking about 3 months right now.
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u/Ordinary-Commercial9 Aug 16 '22
SKS is always a great option. Cheap, with bulk ammo being quite cheap for 7.62
I personally find 9mm more enjoyable to shoot; The Ruger PCC was my first purchase and I haven't regret it one bit. Looks tacticool, is extremely reliable and very accurate from my experiences (and lots of reviews online).
22lr precision rifles are also pretty sweet.
TLDR; It ultimately comes down to your budget. Realize that while purchasing a gun is a big investment up front, ammo is not cheap nowadays so I'd take that into considering to ensure you're not purchasing a rifle that you can't afford to shoot as much as you'd want to.
GL!
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u/PaulM4444 Aug 16 '22
Hey
Firstly, I know nothing about guns or licensing.
I would like to buy a Lee Enfield No.4 Mk1 rifle to display with my Grandads war medals (RAF). I'm hoping for British made but would also take long branch. I've looked at replicas, deactivated and soft air but they all cost more and are less common than real.
I've looked at ads and some seem to request a PAL and some don't say anything. Also I'll probably need it shipping to Saskatoon.
Am I able to buy the gun without a license, it will be hung on the wall with no ammunition in the house?
Is shipping an issue?
Is there a better way to get what I need?
Thanks
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Aug 16 '22
If it's not deactivated, you need a license, get one, it's easy.
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u/PaulM4444 Aug 16 '22
Thanks. Is it just the PAL I need to do?. Is it just paperwork?
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u/ClemementineSweetie Aug 16 '22
TL,DR: not quite... There's more... May be more work than it's worth... See below...
Full reply:
There's the safety course (a whole day course usually run on Saturdays)... And a whole application process with background checks and references... Takes a few months total of mostly just waiting and waiting and waiting. License also is not good for an entire lifetime, so every 5 years you'll need to renew your license to keep within legal compliance just for a one gun display...
My opinion will always be to get the license and get a real rifle... Potential to honor the g-pa every once in a while by throwing some lead down range like he did, but it may be more work than it's worth if you never plan to shoot.
Also, look up display regulations... May not be as easy as you think to display an actual functioning firearm. Not quite as simple as "put a rack on the wall and stick the gun on it". The required locking devices or need to render it inoperable (I.e. Remove the bolt) may not fit your desired aesthetic. A deactivated one or air soft, would be far more flexible in that regard as you won't have a big old lock or the bolt not being in the rifle ruining your display.
There is also the issue of where it's displayed... Below after this paragraph is the actual reg for display of a non restricted... The whole "secure room" thing isn't quite "just a room with lock on the door"... The whole "not readily broken into" is a bit grey as to where exactly it falls in the security level scale of "regular bedroom to bank vault"... I'm sure there are others on here who went with the secure room route instead of a safe for storage who can opine on that... I think to display it without a lock, and fully operable, it'd need to be in a "safe room". And in my view, if someone unlicensed can get into the room, you can't keep the gun there so that may be an issue if you live with someone else since they'd have to not be able to enter a portion of your place... Note, that last sentence is purely my interpretation and I'm not a lawyer. Also in my opinion, keeping it in a secure room sort of defeats the "display" purpose since people shouldn't be able to get into the room so no one can see it...
Quote from the regs:
8 An individual may display a non-restricted firearm only if it
(a) is unloaded;
(b) is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device or is in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and
(c) is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it.
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u/_Connor Aug 16 '22
You cannot buy a functioning firearm without a license, no. The person selling it needs to check your PAL regardless of what they put in the ad.
Like the other guy said, either find an inoperable one or get your license.
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u/Scopequest Aug 16 '22
Normally I'd say get a pal become a gun owner and all that but maybe in your case a deactivated one is a better option. You may be able to contact a gun store that has a live one and have them deactivate it then sell it to you.
Do you ever plan to (or think it might be fun to) fire a gun?
Do you ever plan on (or want the option of) buying another gun?
If you have absolutely no interest in the above 2 things then a deactivated may be better for you (you won't have to keep it safe like a real fun, or keep your licence up). If either of the 2 sounds appealing, even just a bit, then get a PAL.
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u/MayorMcCheese92 Aug 16 '22
When did the 5rnd centerfire rifle mag cap law come into effect in Canada?
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u/chillyrabbit Aug 16 '22 edited Aug 16 '22
1991 with the passage of C-17 (3rd session)
It references a new "prohibited weapon" category: a large capacity cartridge magazine, to be prescribed in a different regulation. Those regulations basically looked like what the current regulations are.
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u/Imaginary-Throat6951 Aug 16 '22
Hello,
I have a restricted going through a transfer. I am also in the process of moving. Has anyone had any problems changing address in the process of a transfer?
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u/salazar_0333 on/qc Aug 16 '22
Ontario
Application received 25 Feb, Charged/initial review May 20, Ontario CFO 'has my application', crickets since
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Aug 16 '22
How are restricted transfers for Ontario doing right now? I ordered another on July 15, kinda just curious
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u/BillionNewt Aug 16 '22 edited Aug 16 '22
On June 1, been working on June 1 transfers for more than 4 weeks, not done June 1 yet. If you look at the transfers per day here: https://thegunblog.ca/2022/08/05/canadians-bought-90000-handguns-since-trudeau-said-hes-killing-the-market-rcmp-says/
Probably another 6-10 weeks before they are done June 3. Could be longer because we're not sure at this point when they'll even finish June 1, currently at 5893xxx and June 1 can extend as far as 5896xxx - 5897xxx
Once June 3 is done, we can probably guess that June 4 to June 13 will take as long as May 31 to June 3 did, since these 2 periods had a similar amount of transfers
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Aug 16 '22
I purchased a new handgun from Firearms Outlet Canada back in July and when I called them (this week) to ask for my transfer reference number they told me they were instructed by the RCMP not to give out transfer numbers due to it being "An invasion of privacy". Anyone have a similar experience or was that guy full of it?
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u/ggdrguy Aug 16 '22
Sounds full of it to me… unless there is something going on in the background that we don’t know about I’ve never heard of that happening.
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u/Shot_Ad_2499 Aug 16 '22
Tenda gave me a reference # 3 days after purchase on August 9.
Rampart Corp gave me a reference # too.
Just called Easthill for another one and they said they'd get back to me.
Seems suspect.
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u/One_Station_1762 Aug 17 '22
I didn’t get one either and they said it takes 7-8 months for my first restricted. Seems suspect will call and ask again and if not, will report them.
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u/tigerbalm_369 Aug 17 '22
Hi just curious about the daily criminal record checks. Do they run the daily record checks on just RPAL individuals that own restricted Firearm or do they run the checks on all PAL holds in general? Thanks
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Aug 17 '22
Is it too late to apply for a restricted firearms PAL?
I completed my CFSC and have my little green card to confirm so. I haven’t finished filling in all my info on my PAL application because I didn’t receive a report from my course on how I did and I haven’t done the hunting courses yet so I do not have my hunter’s card. To add to that, getting in contact with the RCMP to answer my questions about the form has been extremely difficult and long due to the high volume of people trying to reach them either via email or phone. Basically, I want to know if I can still take the restricted class, get my report, fill in the form for both restricted and non-restricted at the same time, get my PAL for both classes of firearms and buy at least one handgun before the freeze that is supposed to come into power this fall or should I give up on ever legally buying some pistols in Canada. The earliest I can take the class is on labor day (September 5th)
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u/_Connor Aug 17 '22
The freeze is happening in like 6 weeks. The current wait time to get a license (regardless if it's just PAL or also RPAL) is like 6 months.
Even if you sent in your application tomorrow, you're shit out of luck for pistols my friend.
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u/Rocifer_ Aug 17 '22
More than just hand guns in restricted, better to get it encase a chance to own handguns comes again
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u/Ordinary-Commercial9 Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22
With the CFO's being extremely backlogged currently it appears as though there's an expected wait time of 5-6 months prior to license approval nowadays.
If your goal specifically was to get a handgun prior to the upcoming ban then unfortunately it doesn't look like you'll have the timeframe to make it happen.
Still lots of neat NR's and even some cool restricted rifles if that interested you enough to still go for your restricted though!
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u/giovannigionta Aug 17 '22
I would still do my restricted course and apply for the license as this gives you the option to buy restricted riffles and if you are lucky purchase a handgun if the bill is delayed for whatever reason. If ever one day the freeze is removed, you will be ahead of the rush to get your restricted at that point.
Not sure how it works in other provinces, but in Quebec you need to have a RPAL and be a member to access pistol bays without being accompanied by a member or staff. At my range, you can rent a handgun from them for a small fee of 10$ per handgun and buy their ammo at fair market value which allows to shoot as you please. You will not be able to own your own but you can at least practice the sport if you want to.
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u/Ordinary-Commercial9 Aug 17 '22
Is there any written proof that all of the handgun transfers being placed currently will still be honoured if a handgun freeze comes into effect? Sold a gun in Ontario and not sure if I should be nervously holding onto the funds for the next 5 months while transfer goes through to avoid having to scrape the money together in the future if they decided not to honour it in the end.
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u/PaulM4444 Aug 17 '22
Hey. I need some advise on where I can buy a deactivated Lee Enfield No4 mk1. I want to display it on the wall and don't have any other guns and from discussions on here the deactivated is the best option.
However I'm having trouble finding one in Canada, stores in the UK said they won't ship here. Is there a good way to find these that might not be obvious to me?. All I have to done so far is to Google for shops and classifieds. Are auctions an option etc, any you would recommend?. Is there a good place to put a wanted ad?
Thanks in advance
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u/Ordinary-Commercial9 Aug 17 '22
Gunpost.ca and CGN (CanadianGunNuts) are the two go-to's as far as firearm classifieds in Canada if you wanted to join and make a post to see if anyone has one.
Alternatively you could contact a Gunsmith in regards to buying one and having it deactivated. Maybe they'd be able to assist you by purchasing the functioning firearm and deactivate it in return for you paying upfront.
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u/Azariahz Aug 17 '22
Many online auctions offer deactivation services, check out iCollector, filter by country and auction type, then when you are looking at a particular auction they usually list the cost of de-activation.
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Aug 17 '22
Great sale on Mk2 savage at Cabelas today if anyones looking for budget friendly .22
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Aug 17 '22
Has anybody in BC had an RPAL application approved in the last 2-3 months? I’m seeing that transfers are being approved here in that timeline. Wondering what takes priority.
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u/Substantial-Cash-834 on Aug 17 '22
Should I tell the post office to hold my mail a few days before I expect a gun to come in? I don’t want it to arrive when I’m not there and I live in a slightly sketchy area
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u/naidacsac Aug 17 '22
Firearms require 18+ signatures, like booze or weed. If you're not home you'll get a parcel slip to pick up at your post office.
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u/paganiforeverandever Aug 17 '22
I’ve had them still be lazy and drop restricted firearms on my front door. I live downtown! 🤦♂️
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u/ConfidenceVast9 Aug 17 '22
Im applying for PAL and RPAL in section G of the form it asks me if I've done safety training?? and I'm really confused this is the exact question:
''Have you been certified by the Chief Firearms Officer as meeting the safety training requirements or have you successfully completed a
course approved by the Attorney General of Manitoba or Quebec prior to 1995?''
if someone could help please. thank you!
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u/BopplzLife British Columbia Aug 17 '22
Those are the exemptions to taking the CFSC/CRFSC. Unless either of them apply to you which I assume not since it sounds like this is your first time applying, just answer no and complete Section G - 20 a) & b) as applicable to you.
Firearms Act (S.C. 1995, c. 39)
7 (1) An individual is eligible to hold a licence only if the individual
(a) successfully completes the Canadian Firearms Safety Course, as given by aninstructor who is designated by a chief firearms officer, and passes thetests, as administered by an instructor who is designated by a chieffirearms officer, that form part of that Course
(c) successfully completed, before January 1, 1995, a course that the attorney general of the province in which the course was given had, during the period beginning on January 1, 1993 and ending on December 31, 1994, approved for the purposes of section 106 of the former Act
(2) An individual is eligible to hold a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms only if the individual
(a) successfully completes a restricted firearms safety course that is approved by the federal Minister, as given by an instructor who is designated by a chief firearms officer, and passes any tests, as administered by an instructor who is designated by a chief firearms officer, that form part of that course
(b) passed, before the commencement day, a restricted firearms safety test, as administered by an instructor who is designated by a chief firearms officer, that is approved by the federal Minister
(4) Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to an individual who
(a) in the prescribed circumstances, has been certified by a chief firearms officer as meeting the prescribed criteria relating to the safe handling and use of firearms and the laws relating to firearms
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u/taloncaf Aug 18 '22
Does anyone know if Wolverine Supplies sends out restricted transfer reference #’s automatically? Or do we have to call?
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u/salazar_0333 on/qc Aug 18 '22
When contacting the provincial CFO for an update, is it better luck asking specific questions like "has my application been assigned to an officer?"
I have emailed a few times and all I get is "we can't give you an expected completion date" and "expect a 9 month delay"
My application was received 25 February and people who had their applications received in March and April (same province) have already had their applications approved !?
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Aug 18 '22
duuuude are you ontario? mine was received feb 24 and i'm in the same position as you.
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u/giovannigionta Aug 18 '22
Did you check on the website to see at what stage your application is?
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u/justatypo Aug 18 '22
IF my RPAL arrives on time, I'm looking to grab at least one 9mm semi.
Months of waiting has had me flip flop over what I'd like to grab, but lately I'm settled on a Sig P320. Looking at what's still available there seems to be a few, and CZ-P10's. I'd like to get something I can mount a red dot sight, and overall something that will last.
Which is the better choice if I have the option, Sig or CZ?
Or is there another choice I'm overlooking?
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u/Shot_Ad_2499 Aug 20 '22
I bought Glock 17 Gen 5, CZ P10F (that OD green, had to have it) and a Sig P320 AXG Optic Ready since the freeze. Don't have any of them yet but I'm most excited for the Sig P320. I shot a 226 before, it fit comfortably in my hand just like the P320 (didn't shoot it but picked it up n handled at the store a bit).
Upside to Sig is there's aftermarket support n if you buy just reg stock P320 you can just buy a new slide for it to get the AXG Pro slide and then you're optic ready. Theyre also the US Army sidearm and JTF2 used them for a bit, dropped them on a holstered misfire and once that investigation was done they're back using the P320. Personally I'd go Sig.
Downside to CZ is there isn't a lot of after market support. Theyre nice firearms though and have been called a glock killer.
Glock if you can find one has the best aftermarket support. I heard Al Flaherty's got a shipment of them in.
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u/obliviousmousepad Aug 18 '22
Newbie here with first restricted purchase. Purchased handgun off Prophet River online. Do they add a (locking case) and trigger lock to ship it to me, or does it just come in a box and I need to buy them separately and do that once I receive it?
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u/cryrid Aug 18 '22
It can depend on the handgun you ordered. Some come with their own branded hard-case container (you'll need to provide your own locks for the case). Others come in a padded cardboard box. Some handguns come with their own trigger or cable lock, sometimes you'll need to provide your own.
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Aug 18 '22
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u/wert989 Aug 19 '22
I still say go for it as a precaution since non- restricted firearms could get reclassified, bills can be repealed, etc. But I'm probably biased and trying to justify applying myself.
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Aug 19 '22
This government has run its course. Sooner or later we will have new leadership and sure as shit won’t be bloc, NDP or greens. With all the scandals popping up left right and centre libs are on their last leg
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u/NoStepOnBESTGUNNIT schizoposting Aug 19 '22
restricted semi auto rifles/shotguns, restricted extremely short bolt rifles and shotguns, also m1 carbine is restricted
tbh all of the above are more or less already on the chopping board, but anyways
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u/giovannigionta Aug 19 '22
Not sure how other provinces work, in Quebec you need to be accompanied by a member or be a member to use a restricted firearm at a range. Therefore you either have to have a good friend that will let you tag along or pay for a range employee (package). If you get your RPAL you can become a member of a range and go shoot alone. At the range I go to, they rent firearms to members for a small fee of 10$ but you need to buy your ammo from them (at fair market value). I understand you will probably not be able to own your own in the foreseeable future, however you can still practice the sport if you wanted to.
If I had to take a guess, I am sure many ranges will start offering a larger handgun rental selection, this will allow existing and new enthusiasts to continue practicing the sport. If not, the sport will simply die of attrition.
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Aug 20 '22
Yes there are restricted rifles you can enjoy until a new government provides more favorable gun laws. Could be 5 yrs could be 50. Either way might be nice to have it ready. Also i imagine more and more guns that are NR right now may become R
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Aug 19 '22
I have my RPAL, my friend has a PAL. I am going to the range with him. My question is do I have to stand within arms reach like a guest on the range with no PAL, or can we both be at separate shooting booths right next to each other? I know he’s not and idiot so I’m more worried about legality vs safety.
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u/ggdrguy Aug 19 '22
I would ASSUME that if you are letting them shoot your restricted you would need to be within area reach as they are not licensed for that firearm. Similar to if you let someone shoot a rifle who has no pal, they aren’t licensed for that firearm and legally you need to be within arms reach.
If you are both shooting nr then I don’t see an issue. I am only, and have only, been a member to one small rural range so rules might vary drastically, but my range does not require me to directly supervise someone with a pal/rpal. They just need to sign a waiver as a guest.
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u/galvzBR Aug 19 '22
Nova Scotia Restricted Transfer Time line (private sale from outside the province)
Transfer initiated on August 16th Transfer confirmed on August 17th Transfer approved on August 19th
I have another transfer on going (another private sale) since since August 18th, and today (August 19th) the CFO office asked me to confirm the gun club membership. Hopefully gets approved by mid next week.
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u/BillionNewt Aug 19 '22
If these guys are done their backlog we need them to travel to Ontario like how some firefighters travel to other countries to help lol
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Aug 19 '22
Nice, you’re the exception to the entire country who’s waiting months for theirs. Congratulations.
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u/ClassyCilantro Aug 19 '22
I can't be the only one thinking it'd be faster to move to NS buy a restricted then move back after a month.
Wouldn't make sense in a million years but can't deny it would be faster.
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u/nyg420 Aug 21 '22
Few noob questions here:
1) When my license arrives, can I go and buy a handgun right away from whatever is still in stock or do I have to apply to some special form to get it/bring it home?
2) Does my safe have to be secured into the ground or can it be in my closet?
3) Is there any place that still has G19s in stock?
Thanks
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u/Grimmerthan Aug 21 '22
If you have been processed and waiting for the card to show up, call them and get your number and expiry date. Depending where you are, you can use that for a range membership (if needed), and then you can use both to shop online (if you need both). A few places require a pic of your card though. No particular forms otherwise.
I don't think there's a requirement to fix the safe in place. Obviously more secure though. My two Cabelas gun cabinets are just in a large closet, and out of sight until you're in the doorway.
Glocks, hmm. Might be tough. But keep checking stores (bookmark everything from arsenal force).
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u/luckyurang5 Aug 23 '22
Got my PAL restricted and non restricted and I noticed that there is no mag strip backside of card. Is it normal???
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Sep 05 '22
A question for everyone. Does anyone have a realistic idea of how long it will take before bill c-21 is passed through parliament? And take effect? I sent in my RPAL application two weeks ago, I'm hoping I can get my license and purchase a gun before the freeze takes place? What are the chances?
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u/fatlemon420 Sep 22 '22
So I bought some guns but what happens if my pal expires while the transfers are pending ?
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u/hereforthecookies- Jan 03 '23 edited Jan 03 '23
Anyone else waiting an exorbitant amount of time for license renewals? Put in the application for my RPAL renewal April 27th, 2022. It's now January 3rd, 2023 and it's still just showing the message about passing initial review, but not finalized yet. I called the main 731 line and the agent advised that it had passed through Miramichi's initial review and had been sent to the BC/Yukon CFO as of the first week of May. I told him I was concerned about my 6-month grace period expiring and he said "they're going to have to extend it then - you have done your due diligence and have completed all the paperwork well in advance."
He advised he could patch me through to an agent at that office. He did so and the automated message I got would not even let me leave a voicemail or wait on hold, it just ended the call.
Been trying to call in every couple of days, first thing in the morning, but the system almost seems like it's been turned off entirely and there is no one there to talk to.
Anyone having similar experiences at this point?
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u/Vearo nb Aug 15 '22
Sent my application in on April 27th.
CC charged on July 28th.
Approved today on August 15th.
RIP wallet.