r/canadaguns • u/BSDTerra • Feb 27 '14
Swiss arms reclassified as prohib
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u/MWigg qb Feb 27 '14
How the hell can a gun that is non-restricted suddenly be deemed prohib? One minute it's safe enough for use hunting and the next it's too dangerous for anyone to have? What the fuck? As someone interested in public policy the way we handle gun laws in this country just confounds me.
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u/diablo_man Feb 27 '14
Thats what I dont get. Even if there was a good reason to not allow something "oops, they have been shipping full auto receivers, etc etc", then it should never have been allowed in the first place. Not just sold for ten years and then retroactively yanked.
Same thing when the BD38 was reclassified as prohib, another 3 thousand dollar gun that had been legal(though restricted due to barrel length) for years prior.
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u/thehuntinggearguy 3gun, Mapleseed, YouTuber, SlamFire Radio, Revolver-hater Feb 28 '14
I believe the problem was that the BD38 receiver could accept full auto parts and just work, but that's second hand information.
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Feb 27 '14
What happened was two business partners split up. They were both selling the gun and in competition. When one guy got a hold of the other guy's product it was a hacked up butcher job so he called the police.
After months of examination, the RCMP firearms lab determines that the rifle is a converted automatic. Converted Automatics are prohibited to own unless you have a 12(3) license for a Converted Automatic.
So basically these two idiots who couldn't get along ruined it for everyone that owns one of these rifles.
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Feb 27 '14
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Feb 27 '14
Also sounds like the RCMP didn't do their due diligence when they let the SAN rifles into the market to begin with
Not necessarily. The original importer could have pulled a fast one like with the original T97.
Of course the distributor is also on the hook if they knew that, and were selling illegal firearms to people.
That's just it. I think there is a lot of smoke and mirrors with these rifles. They're expensive, and who knows their origins. Are these new manufactured rifles, or made from the receivers of other rifles and relabeled? I don't believe either party's story and think there's been something fishy about these guns all along.
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u/thehuntinggearguy 3gun, Mapleseed, YouTuber, SlamFire Radio, Revolver-hater Feb 28 '14
Swap it around so the guy who complains to the RCMP was actually selling the hack jobs.
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u/ctcsupplies ctcsupplies.ca - Magpul Pusher Feb 27 '14
What Classic Green? Excuse me while I tidy up my boat...
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u/diablo_man Feb 27 '14 edited Feb 27 '14
Awww, This really sucks but i cant say im surprised after following the bullshit around this.
As small compensation, it seems like the FAMAE SG540/SG542 rifles have just recently been issued a non restricted FRT, and a restricted FRT for the 543(due to barrel length). Not that this helps the poor fuckers with 3500$ of arbitrarily illegal property.
Well, now I gotta go update the "cool nonrestricted guns in canada" gallery. Does anyone know if this applies to all the Swiss rifles, or just one type?
edit: ok edited the NR gallery, deleted the Swiss Arms(wah) and added the FAMAE family(yay)
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u/BSDTerra Feb 27 '14
Seems to both the non-restricted and restricted version of the Swiss Arms Classic Green carbine.
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Feb 27 '14
That's this one, right?
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u/ctcsupplies ctcsupplies.ca - Magpul Pusher Feb 27 '14
That's the FAMAE SG 542-1 - still non-restricted.
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u/diablo_man Feb 27 '14
That one actually was just recently given a FRT as non restricted, so it is good to go. small mercies.
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u/DrPVenkman7 Feb 27 '14 edited Feb 27 '14
Not saying I agree with what's happening because I don't, I think it's bullshit, but can't say that it surprises me. With that being said, would it not have made more sense to make a post stating that these rifles are now prohibited firearms, however if you are currently in possession of one you can upgrade/update your PAL to include possession of prohibited firearms. This would allow the owners to keep their guns.
Edit: With the Long Gun Registry gone I would just keep my mouth shut if I owned one and plead ignorance if I was caught with one.
Edit 2: Whenever laws/regulations ect are changed to exclude or reclass a specific firearms or types of firearms there should always be a grandfathered clause for people who already own them to allow them to keep them.
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Mar 01 '14
if you are currently in possession of one you can upgrade/update your PAL to include possession of prohibited firearms. This would allow the owners to keep their guns.
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Feb 27 '14
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u/airchinapilot Feb 27 '14
Their dispute was the inciting incident but you know this could have still happened, just not usually in a 'shot yourself in the foot' style.
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u/Vascilli KABLOOIE! Feb 27 '14
Without the LGR how will they be able to find the owners?
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u/Jobbo_Fett Surplus Lover Feb 27 '14
Some people are saying that the RCMP has actually kept the data, with allegations that the High River Gun Grab was based on that information.
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u/Styrak Feb 27 '14
If they kept the information, which is highly unlikely because it was supposed to be destroyed, by now it would be so inaccurate and so obsolete it would be useless.
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u/Jobbo_Fett Surplus Lover Feb 27 '14
Unless a person moved. The guns may not be there but the people will be.
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u/Styrak Feb 27 '14
What do you mean? If guns have been traded and sold around (which they have been), the registry information is useless.
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u/Jobbo_Fett Surplus Lover Feb 27 '14
But they still searched a bunch of those houses despite the fact that their may or may not be any guns anymore.
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u/Styrak Feb 27 '14
Oh you mean the High River stuff? That was completely different because everyone was evacuated. Different circumstances. I'm talking about the current issue with the Swiss (or any other gun they want to grab which is non-restricted).
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Feb 27 '14
There is currently a lawsuit spooling up from the NFA (or CSSA) that claims to have about a dozen instances of recent LGR data usage and they are going to court to prove it.
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u/Styrak Feb 27 '14
This exactly, yes. A lot of "previous owners" (from "selling" their rifle) and boating accidents will be happening.
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u/Blackborealis Feb 27 '14
I think my tag is more relevant now than ever.
I am sorry for all you owners that have to go on boating trips. It must be hard with the foot thick ice, but I'm sure you'll all get through it.
Seriously though. This blows.
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u/nikobruchev Feb 27 '14
Not going on a boat trip, going ice fishing! I'm worried that my patented ice-fishing hut with my highly secure safe will fall through the ice though...
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u/f-tac Feb 27 '14
Congratulations TSE! FUCK
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Feb 27 '14
Congratulations TSE! FUCK
This is the thing people won't realize and just want to blame the RCMP for the reclassification. This is 100% TSE's fault and they should bear the brunt of the complaints.
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Feb 27 '14
The issue with that is that directing your anger towards TSE won't fix anything, whereas getting angry at the RCMP and Federal Government may have some effect.
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u/f-tac Feb 27 '14
And financial compensation. I will not spend apenny there.
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Feb 27 '14
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u/Boarder_Patrol Feb 27 '14
The Shooting Edge
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Feb 27 '14
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Feb 27 '14
Link? The Marstar drama seems to be abating this week.
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Feb 27 '14
What Marstar drama?
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Feb 27 '14
The most recent ones:
a guy ordered 129lbs worth of bullets for reloading (5000 of them if memory serves) and when they came, the boxes inside a big box containing the bullets were beaten up, loose, etc, some of the bullets were just in bags, and thousands had come loose and mixed together (different calibers). Everyone accused Marstar of shipping it incorrectly, although UPS shipped it and God knows they've broken things and repackaged them shittily.
This post was quickly deleted, but some guy accused Marstar employees of meeting him in a field and selling him a Benelli M4 with counterfeit/off brand parts.
there was a bawww thread about wanting John to stay since he posted he instructed his employees to reconsider participating on CGN.
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u/aidsfuck Feb 27 '14
I can't decide who to hate now. I think I will flip a coin.
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Feb 27 '14
Sounds like typical CGN drama, the meeting in a field would make me skepical to say the least.
Luckily I never have bought from marstar, probably because their ordering system has been nonexistant up until recently, they would rarely respond to questions, and less than 5% of their site is in-stock. It's basically just clickbait, I don't even bother to check anymore since so much of it hasn't been in stock for the last 4 years.
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u/ctcsupplies ctcsupplies.ca - Magpul Pusher Feb 27 '14
Unfortunately it's Calgary Shooting Centre which will end up bearing the brunt of this. I suspect they will be liable for compensating owners since they were in the importers.
The Shooting Edge raised the complaint with the RCMP but they aren't exposed - unless people stop shopping there.
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u/sylinator Feb 27 '14
I was actually there today, for the last time apparently. If I had known, there would have been HELL TO PAY!!!
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Feb 27 '14
It was a matter of time. Two kids couldn't play in the same pool and ruined it for everyone.
Way to go guys! Way to go.
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u/TexasNorth al Feb 27 '14
Just another reason why we need a NR, semi-auto "black rifle" that's made in Canada by a Canadian company.
Any hack-job idiot can bang out an AR and put it together, and YAY, one more restricted black rifle on the market. I like the AR and firmly believe that more AR's in more hands is an excellent thing; but we need someone to step up to the plate and make something that couldn't ever even be conceived as being made from a F/A receiver.
The 180 design isn't copyrighted any longer (AFAIK). We should be banging those out with Canadian-specific milled receivers like rice from a paddy.
If I had the means, I'd do it.
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Feb 27 '14
We need somebody to make the receivers here, or at least import semi-auto only receivers. Technically they only have to turn in a stripped receiver, right?
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u/ctcsupplies ctcsupplies.ca - Magpul Pusher Feb 27 '14
For those of you wanting a good rundown of what is going on
http://tv-presspass.com/swiss-arms-in-canada-the-full-story/
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u/BSDTerra Feb 27 '14
I wish I had a more reliable source other than facebook but googling revealed nothing yet. This just popped up onto my newsfeed.
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u/April_Ethereal Feb 27 '14
I'm still rattled by the outcome of this to the point where I can't really focus enough to make an insightful comment; instead I'll say this:
The stink that's going to come off this shit will move mountains.
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Feb 27 '14
I know this will be a political hot button that will completely destroy the CPC's credibility with gun owners if they do not end it now. We have a lot of power when we are all motivated together.
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Feb 27 '14
Lolll motivated together. Canadian gun owners are a fractured bunch.
Plus it's an overpriced rifle that relatively few people own. you will see no mountains moved. I guaranteed it.
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u/koolkats Feb 27 '14
Those Facebook comments...
On a more constructive note, who should we be focusing our anger on? And what can we do about it?
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u/Jobbo_Fett Surplus Lover Feb 27 '14
Lots of Nazi imagery that I didn't expect...
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Feb 27 '14
It is an easy connection for people to make, and they feel discriminated against and are angry.
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u/Jobbo_Fett Surplus Lover Feb 27 '14
Oh I get it... somewhat. But I don't quite think Naziism is the reference they should make.
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Feb 27 '14
National Socialism is a socialist movement, a hard Left Wing line of thinking despite what left wingers would like to believe, that typically has a centralized government that heavily taxed industry, and had total control over the people with state controlled rights. The major thing that the Nazis did was remove the arms from the people and centralize them in the hands of the government. It actually might be pretty on the mark.
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u/NozE8 west coast Feb 27 '14
Just to be clear, the nazis used pre-existing laws to disarm their opponents.
Please don't take this as defending anything the nazis did.
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u/OxfordTheCat Feb 27 '14 edited Feb 27 '14
The major thing that the Nazis did was remove the arms from the people and centralize them in the hands of the government.
This is grossly inaccurate.
Restrictions on firearm ownership became significantly less restrictive for the average German under Hitler.
Private ownership of all firearms in Germany was forbidden by German law in 1919 as a result of restrictions imposed by the Allies in the Treaty of Versailles.
It wasn't until 1928 that Germans were allowed to have any private ownership, and Hitler significantly relaxed the laws in 1938.
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u/airchinapilot Feb 27 '14
This is correct. However the Nazis did reduce ownership rights for undesirables.
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u/OxfordTheCat Feb 27 '14
Yeah, they expanded and added Jews to the no-guns list.
... they didn't have to do much else: There were already laws in place to disallow gypsies and other types to own guns from the previous decades, and that raised my eyebrows as well.
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u/airchinapilot Feb 27 '14
There has been some good scholarship on this. I was lead to read it by a pro gun post urging pro-gun advocates to no longer use the Nazi example.
The points where the Nazi example has relevance is
- the dangers of an authoritarian government (duh)
- registration making it easier for an authoritarian government to confiscate firearms
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Feb 27 '14
who should we be focusing our anger on?
The two greedy fucks in Alberta.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Feb 27 '14
could i get a backstory?
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u/Jeremiah164 Feb 27 '14
Basically the shooting edge owner got whiney to the RCMP that the shooting center shouldn't be selling a modified version of the gun. RCMP look into it and prohibit it.
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Feb 27 '14
We need to focus on the Prime Minister's office, the Public Safety Minister's office, Cheryl Gallant as she has been a very good ally over the past few years, and any of your local MPs.
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Feb 27 '14
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u/thingpaint Feb 27 '14
It's quite clear at this point that harper hasn't done shit for us since C19 and isn't going to do shit for us. He's convinced that gun owners are too piss scared to vote for someone else.
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u/BSDTerra Feb 27 '14
I wouldn't pin this on Harper. Usually these kinds of decisions aren't made by government or order in council. In this specific case, it just seems like the good ol' gun friendly RCMP decided to make this call.
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u/adaminc Feb 27 '14
Actually, it is the Department of Public Safety (Public Safety Canada) that makes these rulings. Harper and Minister Stephen Blaney would be the men to attack on this, as of last July it would have been Vic Toews, as he was PS Minister then.
The RCMP does not have the legal authority to create regulations, they simply examine the weapon, make a suggestion, then carry out the ruling.
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u/Trent_Boyett Feb 27 '14
No, I don't think he personally decided to do this, but he's been at the top of the pile for 8 years now, and if he really did care about Canadians having to surrender firearms that they paid good money for, he could have changed the RCMP culture from the top...or added some legislation to the bill that abolished the registry to prevent retroactive prohibition.
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u/login2downvote Feb 27 '14
he could have changed the RCMP culture from the top
Seems unlikely. There are probably 20 years worth of patronage appointments from the middle to uppermost rungs of the RCMP priesthood.
added some legislation to the bill that abolished the registry to prevent retroactive prohibition.
This is a good suggestion.
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Feb 27 '14
It's the RCMP and The Shooting Edge who couldn't just shut the fuck up and not try and burn their old business partner.
Harper or the rest of the gov have nothing to do with this.
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Feb 27 '14
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Feb 27 '14
No I don't, my gripe with the RCMP is that prohib shouldnt exist in the first place, not that they wrote the law but they arbitrarily reclassify things on their own whim.
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Feb 27 '14
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Feb 27 '14
Yeah you're right, in this case the law "worked" properly even if I don't like it. The fault is manufacturer, and the boat rocker.
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u/TexasNorth al Feb 27 '14 edited Feb 27 '14
TLDR:
One fucking guy from a gun store in Calgary couldn't keep his stupid mouth shut and decided to invite the man into his (and our) life, and now everyone fucking loses.
HEY The Shooting Edge - DON'T INVITE THE MAN INTO YOUR LIFE, YOU FUCKING STUPID MAROONS.
You fucks honestly thought that the RCMP was going to prohibit the CSC version of this gun, but not yours? Are you fucking dense?
You'll be done in 6 months. The only people from the firearms community that you'll get at your range are the fudd hunters, newbies, and people off the street who don't know what a Swiss Arms rifle is.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Feb 27 '14
what did they do to make the rcmp make it prohibited? do you have the specifics?
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u/Boarder_Patrol Feb 27 '14 edited Feb 28 '14
EDIT: I am an ignorant pleb
http://www.theshootingcentre.com/sans-overview11
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Feb 27 '14
so TSE snitched to the rcmp?
im not to good on the terminology was what they where doing with the sg550's illegal?
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u/Boarder_Patrol Feb 27 '14
so TSE snitched to the rcmp?
Essentially yes.
im not to good on the terminology was what they where doing with the sg550's illegal?
Someone imported a "Classic Green (PE-90)" which was a converted auto SG550, which shouldn't be possible because it implied that Classic Green Rifles were infact SG550 variants (prohib by name). The importers and Swiss Arms claimed 12 years ago that the PE-90 was not a variant of the 550 but a separately developed rifle based on the SG540 series.
An investigation was opened a few months ago and now according to the facebook post the PE-90 was found to be a 550 variant.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Feb 27 '14
and it was TSE who told the rcmp to look into it?
well guys i guess we found the canadian equivalent to cheaper than dirt. i know where im never shopping agian
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u/Boarder_Patrol Feb 27 '14
the canadian equivalent to cheaper than dirt
Damn what did I miss?
i know where im never shopping agian
Good luck finding something that's actually instock on their web store..
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u/Cubiclehero I used to own guns. I still do, but I used to too. Feb 27 '14
Cheaper than dirt took the government side when Sandy Hook happened. They also jacked prices up super high on mags and stuff.
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Feb 27 '14
Why are you addicted to and?
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u/Cubiclehero I used to own guns. I still do, but I used to too. Feb 27 '14
What??
Oh my tag that says I have an addiction and im not doing much to stop it?
I'm addicted to guns, I know I need to stop buying, but I just can't man! I decided to stop buying guns, then I started buying 22. Now I'm starting to stock up on reloading stuff, just bought 4 pounds of Vargret!
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u/OxfordTheCat Feb 27 '14 edited Feb 27 '14
The story is:
TSE had a rifle brought in for service by a customer that purchased it elsewhere.
When they opened up the rifle, they knew something wasn't right, reported it to the RCMP.
The retailer who brought in the other rifles and sold them was his old partner that he had a rift with.
At least 3 rifles were found to have been converted from full-auto 550s by the RCMP.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Feb 27 '14
and it wasent hurting anyone.
thats even worse so he fucked over the classic green owners because of the personal grudge against the seller
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u/BSDTerra Feb 27 '14
Also, apparently this whole thing started last year. http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/06/20130605-182418.html
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u/f-tac Feb 27 '14
It started quite a while ago. It was a pissing match between TSC and another company. I don't think too many people were actually expecting this though.
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u/Jeremiah164 Feb 27 '14
It was the shooting edge who decided to report it to the rcmp. The shooting center is not to blame.
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u/f-tac Feb 27 '14
Did TSC not react by complaining by about the CZ858 or something?
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u/Jeremiah164 Feb 27 '14
I'm not sure about that part. They could have. It's too bad they couldn't just keep it to themselves.
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u/Cubiclehero I used to own guns. I still do, but I used to too. Feb 27 '14
It always makes me feel better when I buy a gun that has a "not legal in California" on it. Makes me feel a bit better as a Canadian haha
But at least we can both feel superior to NY right!
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u/Jobbo_Fett Surplus Lover Feb 27 '14
I can't say I'm too surprised at this turn of events, sadly. Next thing you know, they'll be going after Valmets, Kriss Vectors and others.
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u/login2downvote Feb 27 '14
Fortunately the Valmets are untouchable given that the government themselves handed them out by the truckload to Inuit in the 80s. If they go after those it wouldn't be hard to disparage them for assaulting First Nations' ways of life.
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u/Jobbo_Fett Surplus Lover Feb 27 '14
But its not the government that wants them gone, its the RCMP
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u/login2downvote Feb 27 '14
Even the RCMP needs to appear concerned with protecting First Nations' heritage.
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Feb 27 '14
Yes, I remember reading in the history books how when white people came they were greated by AK weilding FN...
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Feb 27 '14
The year was 1534:
"Here comes the white man," said Chief Running Bear, slapping a fresh mag into his AK, "let's rock n' roll, motherfuckers!"
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u/login2downvote Feb 27 '14
You do understand that there is no minimal historical period required for something or an activity to have cultural significance and heritage value, right? If the feds gave the Inuit Valmets and they quickly became part of their way of life, it is not a difficult argument to make that the rifles hold significance to that community. I'm not saying it's a rock solid argument, but in Canadian politics, all one has to do suggest that something could be construed as being even the slightest affront to First Nations way of life and it immediately becomes unthinkable.
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Feb 27 '14
You do realize I'm being sarcastic right?
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u/login2downvote Feb 27 '14
Ya I do now. Originally I thought I was in the r/canada thread about this and you were an anti-gunner trying to be clever.
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u/nikobruchev Feb 27 '14
For lack of a better gif; I understood that reference
I need to work on my gif collection...
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u/diablo_man Feb 28 '14
is there an /r/canada thread? I hadnt seen one.
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u/login2downvote Feb 28 '14 edited Feb 28 '14
Ya. I'll try to dig it up.
I think this was the one http://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/1z38ni/canadas_gunclassification_system_called_deeply/
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u/adaminc Feb 27 '14
But the RCMP doesn't have the authority to do this kind of thing. It is the Government, specifically the Department of Public Safety.
So yes, the Government does want them gone, and in the case of the Swiss Arms classic, they got their wish.
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Feb 27 '14
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u/adaminc Feb 27 '14
Then show me the legislation that gives the RCMP the authority to create or edit regulations.
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Feb 27 '14
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Feb 27 '14
They haven't been "fucking with them", there was one order that arrived by mistake that were auto's, so imports on them were curtailed until they are sure that no more auto's will slip through (the real Canadian Order got lost someplace when it was shipped to some other country by mistake.) Then some idiot retailer (Canadaammo if I recall) started totally unsubstantiated rumours that they will NEVER come back in order to move their own supply of rifles faster. (A rumour that has been repeatedly challenged by other retailers on the CGN forum) And now we are stuck with the "consensus" that the CZ858 is being fucked by the RCMP.
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u/OxfordTheCat Feb 27 '14
Heavy, heavy dose of retard in the Facebook comments.
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u/diablo_man Feb 28 '14
"Swap your tinfoil hats for helmets, dig up your SKS's and lets march on parliament!!! its happening!!!!!!
... guys?"
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u/EnigmaticTortoise nogunz Feb 27 '14
This is absolutely ridiculous. At the very least they could've just moved it to restricted, what's the logic for this gun being any more dangerous than and AR-15? I'm guessing the same logic making a FAL more dangerous than a M14...
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u/Jobbo_Fett Surplus Lover Feb 27 '14
Its because they can "easily be converted to full automatic" firing mode. I don't think they ever released how they determine this, or what the process entails.
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u/Boarder_Patrol Feb 27 '14
The issue was that it could be a variant of the named prohib sg550(stgw90)
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u/Boarder_Patrol Feb 27 '14
god damn is this fucking bullshit for current owners.
Everyone is super pissed right now and calling for a boycott of TSE, but honestly a lot of people are at fault...
I really want to wait for more than just a FB post before jumping on the hate train.
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Feb 27 '14
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Feb 27 '14
More like why not all 3, TSE for being fuckwits, the RCMP for just being them, and the other importer who made the stupid decision to bring hackjob converted autos into the country hoping they wouldnt get caught.
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u/SHaRTTSTRiKE Feb 27 '14
So this debackle along with high river for the first time in my life caused me to write my MP and vent.
If these rifles are converted autos receivers (which I think is a joke anyways) the RCMP should have caught this long before.
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u/3piecesOf_cheesecake Feb 27 '14
I wonder if the RCMP is going to use this as an excuse to push the LGR in coming back. I can imagine a spokesperson claiming that these are "high powered assault rifles" that need to be taken off the streets and without the LGR they can't effectively locate all the baby killers.
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Feb 27 '14
Not much can be done. File a complaint with your mp and most importantly never spend a nickel at the shooting edge as it was JR who started this whole thing.
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Feb 27 '14
Seriously hope the Canadians that own these guns do not turn them into the Gestapo. Bury it on your property if you must.
Craziness.
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Feb 27 '14
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u/ctcsupplies ctcsupplies.ca - Magpul Pusher Feb 27 '14
Nope they will not. No compensation either.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Feb 27 '14
didnt you read it? they said they would be giving an ass raping and swat raid as compensation
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Feb 27 '14
Don't be so fucking naive. Sorry to sound like an ass, but I'm mad. There will be no prohib licences given out.
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u/CroatSnipe Feb 27 '14
Just wondering. But yes it's very sad that it came to this. Just because its green/black rifle it's automatically evil by the gun grabbers
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u/Jobbo_Fett Surplus Lover Feb 27 '14 edited Feb 27 '14
Someone mentioned in another thread that grandfathering was a one-time deal so that gun owners didn't/wouldn't get upset when they reclassified a bunch of guns. Now they're at it again =\
Also, its not because its Green\Black. That's just the name of the line. The real reason is because 1 example of that gun, which was a variant, was illegally modified and was reported to the RCMP by a store owner who had it in his possession. Queue the RCMP looking into the line of guns, doing half-assed work and forcing gun owners to prove to the RCMP that the guns aren't a danger to society rather than doing that themselves (It's not their job... right?) and you've got this whole story. Edit I am paraphrasing the whole affair.
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u/CroatSnipe Feb 28 '14
Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering about grandfathering because I have a buddy who I go shooting with who owns a Classic Green. I guess he's completely screwed now! And I feel extremely mad because a) The RCMP runs like a dicatorship and can ban anything on the spot b) The gun is $3000 and there's 0 compensation.
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u/kyleg54 ns Feb 27 '14
yep and next comes the 10/22
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Feb 27 '14
No. This is only happening because an unscrupulous retailer knowingly brought in hackjob converted autos. And when said rifles ended up on the counter of their former business partner they decided to burn them.
Which brought it all down.
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u/1leggeddog Makes holes in paper Feb 27 '14 edited Feb 27 '14
Wait a second, exact WHICH RIFLE model is getting banned here?
I know there are many different rifles from Swiss Arms that get into Canada so i'm wondering which ones are now verboten.
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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '14
I don't even have a .gif that describes how pissed off I am.
I also think there's going to be an unusual amount of boating accidents in the next few days.