r/canadaguns • u/rastamasta45 • Apr 06 '26
News / Politics / Activism Finally tally for the ASFCP
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u/SpectreBallistics Spectre Ballistics International (Verified) Apr 06 '26
Alberta and BC, you disappoint me.
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u/LongRoadNorth Apr 06 '26
Look at Ontario...
Mind you we have the a high population so kind of makes sense.
I'm amazed Quebec is so low
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u/JipJopJones Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26
Wasn't this supposedly for Quebec votes specifically? Per-capita that theory doesn't seem to be panning out
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u/stereo_cabbage Apr 06 '26
Your theory is wrong, the idea came from Quebec (Nathalie provost) but we all agree she’s unhinged. There’s a shit ton of hunters amd gun owners in Quebec and most of the population is anti gun grab
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u/gspotcowboy Apr 06 '26
The Liberals didn't want the Bloc to split their votes and cost them forming government. Since the bloc uses gun control as a cudgel in their platform (they basically want to ban everything) Trudeau doubled down on it as well
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u/NL1839 Apr 06 '26
Thanks for pointing that out. I don’t pay too close attention to the bloc. That makes a lot more sense now. It’s another example of how the Liberals couldn’t care less about the west. It’s all games to get power and don’t care about anyone that can’t help them. It’s pretty disgusting actually
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u/LongRoadNorth Apr 06 '26
In what way was I wrong? I didn't say Quebec as a whole but a few ridings around Montreal that are like provost very anti gun.
If I said Quebec as a whole I would agree with you I was wrong.
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u/stereo_cabbage Apr 06 '26
I did not meant to upset you, the anti gun ridings are a fringe minority is what i meant!
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u/LongRoadNorth Apr 06 '26
Wasn't upset just clarifying. All good brother.
I agree it's the same with Toronto, everyone just says Toronto but realistically besides maybe some of the downtown core, there's very few ridings that support it.
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u/SecureNarwhal Apr 06 '26
the people who voted for the gun ban aren't the ones with guns to turn in
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u/xpingux Apr 06 '26
You're completely inverting what Gary said.
A popular policy means it won't negatively affect Quebecers.
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u/Whispersfine Apr 06 '26
Ontario is actually low on per capita. BC is really a shit show tho, they have a little over 5 million people yet they gave away more than half of what Ontario gave up.
No wonder they voted the NDP government again and again…..
In their defense, perhaps the tragedy in north BC somehow shifted their minds.
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u/Whispersfine Apr 06 '26
Ya but the number is telling a different story. Vancouver urban areas are not very gun friendly let’s just say that. Everybody is wearing lululemon and Arc’teryx. Giving free drugs to homeless whatnot….
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u/GinnAdvent Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26
I don't know man, I was at one of the gun store in Vancouver and one of the customer was Asian female in her 20s getting her transferred pistol back in 2022.
Many gun stores were quite packed prior to Dec 2024.
I would assume the actual numbers of NR prohibited in BC and Alberta are way higher.
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u/Whispersfine Apr 06 '26
We don’t have the data so can’t really tell. I agree that they may have more NR rifle but BC and ON are both highly urbanized. The fact BC gave away a lot more than half of what ON gave with only one third of ON population. That ratio tells you BC is much more cooperative than ON. Even by gun per PAL holder, BC gun owners surrender way more firearms.
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u/GinnAdvent Apr 06 '26
While that might be true, it probably has to do with number of disposal income for those 2 provinces.
If you have a collection and some have restricted, people might want to get rid of it so the Fed don't come for their licenses after Oct and still holding on their NR. While it might not look good for BC, but the total number is still less than what we anticipated.
I doubt the government will publish a number of NR vs R they collected, because that will have a better context here.
I have 4 restricted that worth 10k alone, and I choose not to do anything with it. That kind of money is not someone can easily give up since that easy 3 months of rent and groceries in BC.
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u/bosco781 bc Apr 06 '26
Yeah I have one on the list and I'll be taking a zipcut to it instead of handing it in. Some of my coworkers did register wanting some money to put towards other guns etc but I doubt they will see a dime if it ever gets to the day they hand them over.
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u/LongRoadNorth Apr 06 '26
In all fairness the only reason I'd surrender my one NR that's now prohibited is because of the money I have in other firearms that would suck to lose if my license was revoked etc.
My one PCC is a drop in the bucket in value compared to two of my shotguns alone.
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u/LongRoadNorth Apr 06 '26
Isn't Lockhart, crusader and black Creek labs all based in BC as well?
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u/GinnAdvent Apr 06 '26
I am not sure that's where they are based, the stores could be in BC, but manufacturing could be in another province or country.
My previous comment just means that while Vancouver appears to be somewhat anti gun, but the actual number of PAL holders and the number of guns they own is quite significant compare to other provinces.
So it's somewhat plausible that you might have see a higher number of declarations from BC and AB. However, I am sure there are crap load of NR prohibited as well that people aren't declaring.
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u/LongRoadNorth Apr 06 '26
NDP aren't really huge supporters of it. Hell even a lot of liberals aren't. This hate towards the left for wanting it really needs to stop when it's been said even by the liberals this was just to keep a few ridings by Montreal happy.
Besides the fact far left are strong supporters of firearm rights.
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u/Cadaren99 on Apr 06 '26
I'm counted in that number. Before you jump all over me for it, my employment and security clearance depend on me rigorously following the law.
That said, after seeing the compensation get axed and learning that I could just take a chop saw to my AR-15s, I have 6 total, I've already withdrawn my application and I'll let the CFO in my province know they've been destroyed post Oct 2026 amnesty conclusion.
Or hopefully the SCC tosses some wrenches, or the govt is forced to extend the amnesty again.
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u/LongRoadNorth Apr 06 '26
Same boat but mines NR.
I'll cut it in pieces and let the CFO know before I risk my license being revoked and losing all my other guns worth way more, and possible not be able to maintain security clearance for work.
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u/TarkovSundays Apr 07 '26
why r u fellas even putting this out there u guys are fedsssss forsure… “I’ll cut it in pieces and let the CFO know” cripes mate like do whatever u want to do if your “job” depends on it but don’t be sitting on the cuck chair and sharing that for the world to see
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u/falap Apr 06 '26
Agreed. BC, why are you participating in this program?
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u/ecclectic Apr 07 '26
I'm going to guess a lot of folks who REALLY can't afford to end up on the wrong side of the law and risk deportation. Keep in mind, that number is a small percentage of the of the 340k+ gun owners and estimated 700k-1.3million firearms in the province.
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u/throwie2k Apr 06 '26
credit where credits due, AB is about the same per capita to ON, a tad more than SK a lot less than BC
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u/GinnAdvent Apr 06 '26
I mean if the restricted numbers were that high, imagine the number of NR prohibited in both provinces.
I am not surprised both provinces would have at least 200k plus of NR prohibited.
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u/HankHippoppopalous Apr 07 '26
I assumed we had 7300 men who died in the past few years, and their wife finally turned in the guns :(
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u/canadianhousecoat Apr 07 '26
It's peoples mom's and grandmothers getting rid other their husbands old guns lol
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u/RodgerWolf311 Apr 07 '26
Looks like BC are the biggest bootlickers in all of Canada (for their population size)
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u/NemrahG Apr 06 '26
Lol I guess they couldn’t handle showing Nunavut as a single digit
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u/HappyCan7250 Apr 06 '26
Maybe Idlout the floor crosser can get out there and convince everyone to hand them in!
It's funny I saw recently Nunavut asked the government for an exemption from the program to keep their guns for bear defense and the feds said no. Good job Lori, looking out for your constituents! Take away their polar bear defense! She sure is fighting for Nunavut eh?
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u/Swissmcmurray Apr 06 '26
Per PAL holder (2020 data, ordered high to low):
- BC: 0.050
- ON: 0.044
- PEI: 0.027
- MB: 0.026
- NS: 0.023
- AB: 0.022
- QC: 0.020
- YT: 0.017
- NB: 0.016
- NWT: 0.014
- SK: 0.011
- NL: 0.006
- NU: 0.003
Wild how Alberta is higher than Quebec in submitting claims.
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u/PrestigiousStatus711 Apr 06 '26
Maybe more restricted firearms in Alberta so using PAL holder skews it? Just a guess.
Either way anything other than 0 in Alberta disappoints me.
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u/Whispersfine Apr 06 '26
This is really looking bad for Albertans. Apparently their neighbor Saskatchewans have larger balls.
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u/AntiNakedman Apr 07 '26
SK just had a government that is actually doing something, not “praying the Gary away” or whatever the Alberta plan is.
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u/CenturionV Apr 06 '26
Got our fair share of terrified fudds out here. Go to any range and you will see (and unfortunately probably hear) them.
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u/Rare_Matter9101 Apr 06 '26
Part of it may be that there are more restricteds and the so-called "assault style" rifles in certain jurisdictions, but I don't know if we have that data.
I was hoping Albertans were really gonna give the feds the deerfoot salute on this one.
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u/Critical-Ad4665 Apr 07 '26
I'm in Ontario, my wife and sister in law both took the hunter safely course and rpal course on a weekend, neither are really interested in hunting but back when we had group applications for the moose draw it improved our group numbers. I'm sure it helps when I have to renew my rpal and my wife is also an rpal holder.
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u/Human-Departure-9717 Apr 06 '26
Sure b'ys lost all mine fell off on the ferry from Fogo Island. NL takes no shit.
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u/turitelle Apr 07 '26
How embarrassing for BC. But to be fair, lots of people got their PALs after 2020. I know of at least 20 or more myself.
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u/Ciggaris Apr 09 '26
BC has a nearly 1:1 ratio of NR to R PAL holders, the total of RPALs is 175,000 as opposed to Ontario which has 247,000 but a much larger population. So more PAL holders in BC likely have restricted firearms and therefore the government already knows what you have as opposed to places like Quebec and Ontario where RPALs make up a much smaller percentage of the total PAL holders. That likely explains the higher uptick in BC alone.
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u/draftstone Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26
Damn! Quebec having a lower number per capita than Alberta (using PAL numbers instead of population makes it closer, but Quebec still lower than Alberta by 1%)! You can always count on Quebec to be against a federal program, many were probably expecting Quebec to be the highest compliant province!
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u/Cope180-Enjoyer Apr 06 '26
How dare you use the L word. You don't deserve accountability and the truth.
-Liberals
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u/mywaaaaife Apr 06 '26
No. We work for the government now. It’s like 30% of the workforce it’s insane.
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u/Mo-Cance Apr 06 '26
67,640 plus Nunavut. So yes, more than 67,000. At least they didn't round up to 68,000. It's glazing, sure, but I don't see a lie presented here.
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u/stevedrums Apr 06 '26
Australia seized over 600k when they did this. Looks like Canadians trust their government far less
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u/uber_poutine Apr 06 '26
If they hadn't burned significant amounts of goodwill leading up to the program launch with repeated statements of "just buy the ones that aren't prohibited", only to turn around and prohibit those.
If they had actually paid market value.
If they actually promised to pay out at all.
The LPC needed buy-in from everyone, and instead we have Minister Anandasangaree talking out of both sides of his mouth, and no actual justification for this except "we clearly aren't able to enforce the laws that we already have, so let's do something and hope it plays well politically".
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u/alphawolf29 Apr 06 '26
"we arent coming for your hunting rifles or historical artifacts" -bans half of WW2 rifles. There's probably 600,000 SVT-40s in Canada. They were the SKS of the previous generation.
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u/GinnAdvent Apr 07 '26
Really? Didn't know we have that many SVT40.
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u/alphawolf29 Apr 07 '26
When I was 19 for $200 you could get an SVT-40 and 440 rounds of soviet ammunition, these sort of deals were on for years. Minimum wage was about $8 an hour at the time so $200 was a lot more money.
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u/GinnAdvent Apr 07 '26
I didn't get into firearms until in my late 30s, by then, they were like 1200 to 1400 ea, lol.
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u/GinnAdvent Apr 07 '26
The funny thing is that they left a chunk of firearms untouched from 2020 to 2024, and then proceed to ban if not most of them.
Ugh, what? So everyone been law abiding for 4 yrs with smaller pool of selection and you just turn around and OIC them again.
Yeah, Liberals dig their own holes alright for this program.
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u/Sammytheseaotter Apr 06 '26
What a colossal waste of money and a big shit stain on Carney's government
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u/DwayneGretzky306 Apr 06 '26
Considering that the Feds have specifically and repeatedly called out Saskatchewan and Alberta residents being unable to collect compensation because of actions of their provincial governments, their numbers should be 0.
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u/-rifle-is-fine- Apr 06 '26
We can collect compensation. Our government just had our backs and said we can hold them on the government's behalf to save money on storage while we wait for FAIR compensation on rifles, accessories, and ammunition.
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u/DwayneGretzky306 Apr 06 '26
I am a Sasky and not that it matters at this point but it seems likely their will be a court challenge to our provincial legislation. I am glad the SK government is trying but it is a high risk / high reward situation for us.
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u/-rifle-is-fine- Apr 06 '26
That could very well be what happens but for now, we can legally keep those guns in our cabinets.
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u/DwayneGretzky306 Apr 06 '26
I hear you, I am just saying that there were some people who wanted compensation but cant get it, because of these actions. I would rather keep what I own, I am just making the point that the Federal government told these people already they would get nothing pre announcement from the SK government, so it is crazy people even declared.
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u/AntiNakedman Apr 07 '26
There is nothing in the SK legislation that prevents the Feds from paying someone compensation.
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u/Fed_Informant Apr 07 '26
"while we wait for FAIR compensation on rifles"
I got some swampland in Florida for a FAIR price.
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u/Psyex Apr 06 '26
If you add retailers trying to get money back for unsold inventory it makes sense. There are or were quite a few gun shops in Alberta.
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u/RedditSgtMajor Apr 06 '26
Why do people keep saying this stupid shit? This program is NOT for businesses. There are zero guns from commercial entities being counted in these numbers.
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u/gspotcowboy Apr 06 '26
Because the government said they had over 22K weapons declared in the first week of the program. By Feb. 7th they had posted that there had only been an additional 749 firearms declared, leading some people to assume that the initial 22k was a number being propped up by another source.
https://x.com/Safety_Canada/status/2020168999779094667 (Feb 7th update)
IMO I think the initial 22K in a week (we barely tripled that in a bit over two months btw) WAS propped up with newly prohib firearms that had already been surrendered to the police over the last 6 years from people that didn't know what to do with them (e.g. estates), thought they were already illegal, or who just didn't want them anymore (e.g. disposable rifles like the GSGs).
TLDR is that the initial 22K made our community think that the number was artificially high and attributed it to businesses being part of it
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u/rastamasta45 Apr 06 '26
That’s the point, it doesn’t
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u/Spydude84 Apr 06 '26
Because they have an emotional distain for firearms and think we're all redneck idiots.
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u/rastamasta45 Apr 06 '26
Considering gas is hitting all time highs again and there’s no sign it’ll stop, I guarantee this will balloon the mobile collection unit cost even further!
It’s wild how there’s reports they already completely ran out of money, I think this was a miserable attempt at a back door registry.
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u/Motor_Historian2634 Apr 06 '26
Disappointed in my fellow British comlumbians, cant say im suptised though.
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u/Agonizing-Stroke1812 Apr 06 '26
I have a feeling this correlates very strongly to the number of formerly restricted guns per province. Although the territories have a lot of guns they're mostly fudd guns that aren't banned IME
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u/Spydude84 Apr 06 '26
BC disappoints me, but I think the bigger question is as to how the restricted rifles were dispersed among the population, it's very possible that was a non-even distribution. Then again, I have no clue, but I definitely was involved in conversations where people said they were going to submit their restricted firearms.
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u/SKSd0c Apr 06 '26
Anecdotally, i know several folks in southern ON whose only experience with firearms was taking their restricted ARs and handguns to indoor ranges in the GTA. These are the sorts of people who never had any interest in shooting on Crown land and certainly don't live anywhere close to private property in a municipality that allows discharge of firearms. Given the concentration of the population in the province, and not that I agree with the decision to do so, but it doesn't surprise me that there would be a larger proportional # of restricteds declared in ON.
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u/Quirky-Delivery-3236 Apr 07 '26
Ya most of the people who turned in there guns seem to be living in big cities where they know they are gonna be first on the chopping block
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u/Thegears89 Apr 06 '26
Considering there is like 100,000+ formerly restricted firearms and all they managed was 67,000. That's bad. The government should feel bad for wasting millions, upwards of billions of dollars on this stupid fucking program
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u/BigBlackCb Apr 06 '26
Do these numbers include the inventory at retailers? I like to believe that the majority of those numbers are from business owners. But, who knows?
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u/Sogone2day Apr 06 '26
Ccfr chick said individuals only retailers was a seperate program a few times
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u/anotherdawn mb Apr 06 '26
why is math so hard?
total number: 67640 + Nunavut.
why not just say "Less than half of expected/hoped for pipe dream"?
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u/AllDay1980 Apr 06 '26
BC and Ontario….what are you guys doing?
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u/SKSd0c Apr 06 '26
Not really sure this is a fair take when the population difference (and # of PAL holders) is so massively disparate between provinces. It's also difficult to compare when only AB/SK actually have laws in place to prohibit the confiscation program from taking place.
In terms of ratio between licensed PAL holders and declarations, the Atlantic provinces dogwalked the prairies for declarations. Aren't they among the 'praetorian guards' given their voting history?
Or perhaps there are broader factors at play here like the types of ranges accessible to the average gun owner and the different shooting cultures between provinces.
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u/AntiNakedman Apr 07 '26
The SK laws don’t prevent the Feds from paying someone compensation, or even collecting a firearm - so long as they comply with it.
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u/luckeycat Apr 06 '26
I am proud to be in the SK crowd, seeing the relative ground holding to over all populace. I am imagining, overall, many of these numbers are a mix of previously restricted that are on record and some estate like things with a small amount of bubba'd stuff.
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u/swift_gilford Apr 06 '26
I'd love to see the ATIP on how many of these were formerly restricted as well as how many were just inheritance/widows & widowers.
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u/bumsaxk Apr 06 '26
I like the total number, almost like doing 5 digit addition totals is too hard for the government with all the tax money we give them
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u/Hotdog_Broth Apr 06 '26
Assuming this includes commercial?
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u/Whispersfine Apr 06 '26
Nope, entirely individuals only
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u/Hotdog_Broth Apr 06 '26
I was sure I heard 50-something thousand as the final number before. I guess that was an older number then
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u/Clumzy_Buddha Apr 06 '26
These number dont include those who have also pulled out of the program. So it'll be less then the 67000....
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u/Geralt-of-Rivai Apr 06 '26
Doesn't even matter to me what their goal was, how much they were willing to pay for. Single gun turned in then it's theft. You made this program, then you pay for every single person's property
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u/Cre_AK47 Name Prohibited by OIC Apr 07 '26
Huge L to BC... There is no registry for NR yet nearly 1.5x the amount of claims than Québec...
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u/specificallyrelative Apr 07 '26
Most of those were from stores, I'd love to know the real numbers just from people.
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u/TheSkrillaGuerilla Apr 07 '26
Those numbers are not including any retailers, that was a seperate program.
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u/specificallyrelative Apr 07 '26
Wrong, the numbers are not separated. Claim periods for retailers and private citizens are separated to not overwhelm the system, but numbers are not separated.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/trnsprnc/ccss-nfrmtn-prvc/prvc-mpct-ssssmnt/asfcp-p1-bus-en.aspx
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u/Oilmoneyy Apr 06 '26
Okay now show how many of these are from stores.
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u/Thegears89 Apr 06 '26
I thought this was only civilian. Not from stores. That being a separate number
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u/Sogone2day Apr 06 '26
Yeah ccfr chick said this multiple times. Retailers were in separate program
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u/Psyex Apr 06 '26
You see that is where you have to see the wording. It could quite easily be added together to pad Gary's numbers.
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u/Oilmoneyy Apr 06 '26
No idea. This whole programs a shitshow so I dont know what numbers are correct or skewed.
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u/__phil1001__ Apr 06 '26
So we have fixed totals but then they add "more than" at the end. It's like saying 2+2= more than 3 🤣🤣
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u/StrykeRXL1 Apr 06 '26
I wonder how many of these were businesses with stock they had to get rid of?
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u/Longjumping_Deer3006 Apr 08 '26
Good luck to anyone that has to travel long distance to the drop off point, especially with fuel prices skyrocketing.
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u/rastamasta45 Apr 08 '26
They won’t care, the LPC will state “we gave you a chance at compensation and it’s your fault that you can’t reach our convenient drop off point” doesn’t matter that it’s 50 to 100km away. Now that YOU failed, you must figure it out without compensation.
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u/Weak-Coffee-8538 Apr 06 '26
Now if those people can phone in tell them they aren't taking part in the program anymore.
You ain't gonna get squat from them.
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u/PomegranateAncient25 Apr 06 '26
Educate yourself. Ontario is the Most populous Province. Only Quebec is close with barely half. Also feel free to check the results of the last Federal election. Ontario didn’t elect Carney.
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u/MapleBaconBeer Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26
The total number is meaningless, since Ontario has more than twice/three times as much population as other provinces/territories. Do a per capita comparison and Ontario isn't that bad.
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u/gspotcowboy Apr 06 '26
Do a per capita comparison and Ontario isn't that bad
If you followed your own advice you'd see it's second only behind BC and almost double the countrywide average of 0.023 declarations per PAL holder
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u/fedplast Apr 06 '26
Im surprised Quebec is so low. I’m in Montreal and I had to declare a rifle. My job depends on a clean sheet, and the gov already knows of the rifle. I have many friends in similar situations (government employees, lawyers, guys who cross thr border often and dont want a strike in the book). So I’m surprised number is not higher
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u/AppearanceAfraid Apr 06 '26
You didn't have to declare anything you could have destroyed it yourself.
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u/Interior_Minister Apr 06 '26
they probably wont even honor the values cited on the website regardless of the participation levels. it will be interesting to see what they “compensate” and rationale for burning this community further
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u/GinnAdvent Apr 06 '26
At the end of the day, the government still aren't making the street any safer. 67k is like drop in the bucket compare to what the actual numbers of prohibited out there.
It's a waste of money and time that we all know it. Now we will see what kind of colossal failure it will be when push come to shove.
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u/HappyCan7250 Apr 06 '26
Still shocked AB declared so many. 7,334 when their provincial government basically said "fuck you feds". Weird that AB declared about 6x as much as SK, although AB does have 4x the population, it's still a shockingly high number.
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u/daymanelite Apr 07 '26
Likely those were majority newly prohibited restricteds rather then NRs that went prohib. Lot of RPAL holders in Alberta.
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u/HappyCan7250 Apr 07 '26
I get the fear the Liberals have instilled, and many guys don't follow this stuff as closely as most of us on here, but still disappointed to see it.
I'm in BC though so I'm very disappointed in us as well.
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u/jefflikeskicks Apr 06 '26
Any non-restricted firearm purchased after May 1st 2020, are you guys handing them in? they are registered with the government no?
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u/ButterscotchDull7687 Apr 06 '26
Im from BC.. and I’m so disappointed but not surprised
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u/Quirky-Delivery-3236 Apr 07 '26
I’m from Manitoba and I think most of it is from Winnipeg because they know they will be the first on the chopping block and the Winnipeg police will go after them so the rcmp can go after us in rural Manitoba
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u/baedriaan Apr 07 '26
Their PR consultant told them to put less than 10 for sure.
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u/HappyCan7250 Apr 07 '26
It was probably 1 or 0. Props to Nunavut honestly, because they probably have a higher per capita rate of ownership.
I saw a story Nunavut actually asked for an exemption because they replied on many of these guns for bear defense, a very valid argument (although I don't agree with one group or race getting an exemption), and the government said no.
As I said before, great job Idlout for crossing the floor and completely fucking over your constituents! She has the power to make or break the majority and might be able to twist Carney's arm into doing it.
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u/imjonjoncanada Apr 07 '26
As per usual, the powers that be have manipulated the stats. The majority of these numbers are firearms retailers that have been sitting on a crippling amount of inventory and need to get compensated for their overstock. Another example of the manipulation of firearms stats are “deaths caused by legal firearms”. Almost all of those were law-abiding firearms owners bankrupted by the Canadian government who ultimately took their lives….and yes, the government has shamelessly exploited those tragedies to further their narrative. It’s disgusting. Hold the line. This grab is illegal and disingenuous. Shame on them.
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u/Ok_Juggernaut1074 Apr 07 '26
Can’t figure out why would people in Alberta and Saskatchewan do this when their government was way too supportive
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u/Critical_Anybody6343 Apr 07 '26
I’m assuming most of these are submitted by stores who are holding onto stock they can’t sell
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u/TheRealFoXQc Apr 08 '26
Solid performance everyone
Now let’s hope for the supreme court’s clarity and judgement
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u/rastamasta45 Apr 06 '26
Now comes the insane part, how they hell do they plan to collect and move 67,000 rifles in 6 months using only Quebec police, Waterloo police, Halifax police and Vancouver. Everyone else declined.