From our CCFR friends, of course the GSG16 is #1!!!

Hello all. Looking for a debate on the other side of all of the gun laws / bans from a liberal point of view. How does it ACTUALLY make sense to liberals with the current laws. C21 was passed with hopes of lowering crime? How is that going? The OIC. How has the crime rate gone since? How are these “liberal experts” in power thinking this is actually going to make a difference? Canada could 100% ban every single firearm and gun crime would not go down 1 bit. I don’t really know any liberals to talk about it with I’d actually like to hear their side on it. I’m clearly not an expert on any of this but it just seems so ridiculous

Parlement de Québec

There ya have it folks, if the LPC win this court battle, it’s scorched earth, war with every citizen who owns a restricted and police raids.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/most-crime-guns-traced-by-rcmp-came-from-within-canada-internal-reports-say/

"The RCMP centre defines crime guns as firearms that were used or suspected to have been used in criminal offences, guns whose serial numbers have been obliterated or altered, firearms that were found but not reported lost or stolen, and replicas, toys, 3D-printed guns, pellet or air guns that have been used in criminal offences"

Cool looking facility but not the smartest photo. Let’s just have an 8 person chain flagging each others face 🤦‍♂️

Ever since the bans started coming down 6 years ago, people were saying "buy so and before it's banned", as they (correctly) speculated that May 2020 was just the first step of many, and progressively the most scary unbanned gun would get added to the list until none are left.

What's the point though?

I don't understand the idea of buying a gun while you still can (currently the SKS), just to get ahead of the ban, use it for a while, then be stuck with it. Seems like you're paying an inflated price, to enjoy it for maybe a year, but then be stuck with it.

Although I don't have any, my friends have some of the banned rifles and they've just become white elephants. Can't do anything with them, tying up capital, can't sell, can't use, but, still have to store and have all the legal downside in case anything goes wrong.

So what's the logic of trying to buy something ahead of it being banned? Either it gets banned and you can never use it, or it doesn't and there's no issue picking it up in the future.

EDIT: I realize now through some of the commenters (thank you) that this suspect was NOT a suspect in the festival shooting, but rather a different shooting that same night in Toronto. I apologize for mis-tagging this idiot to the festival shooting, but my points below still stand. Different shooting, but still an idiot, still a failure of our legislative structure around legal and illegal firearms.

Press release from Toronto Police on Omar Abdul Singateh: https://www.tps.ca/media-centre/news-releases/66411/

Also arrested in 2025 in Montreal on kidnapping, robbery, and crypto theft: https://www.ctvnews.ca/montreal/article/3-men-facing-kidnapping-robbery-and-other-charges-in-crypto-theft-montreal-police/

Also arrested in 2025 on firearms trafficking (out of 100 illegal firearms trafficked, 29 of them were recovered in Canadian crime scenes): https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/pr/two-men-arrested-international-firearms-trafficking-conspiracy

Emailed the below to my MP, feel free to do the same:

Subject: URGENT: The Failure of Current Firearms Policies and the Need for Mandatory Minimums

Dear [Insert MP Name],

I am writing to you today to express my sheer disgust and profound frustration with the current state of our justice system and the misdirected firearms policies enforced by this government. The recent shooting and subsequent arrest at Polson and Cherry Street in Toronto on July 12 is a glaring example of how current legislation completely fails to protect Canadians, while simultaneously punishing law-abiding citizens.

The suspect in this shooting, Omar Abdul Singateh, is not a legal, vetted firearms owner. He is a known, violent criminal with a disturbing track record that the justice system repeatedly failed to address. Based on public reports and press releases, this individual was already known for:
- International Firearms Trafficking: He was previously arrested in connection with trafficking 100 illegal firearms into the country—29 of which have been recovered at Canadian crime scenes.
- Violent Kidnapping & Robbery: He was arrested in connection with a violent breaking and entering, forcible confinement, and cryptocurrency robbery in Montreal.
- The Recent Toronto Shooting: Despite his severe criminal history, he was out on our streets, where he recklessly exchanged gunfire, stole a rideshare vehicle, and struck pedestrians while fleeing the scene.

It is completely unacceptable that an individual with a history of smuggling illegal weapons and violent kidnapping was free to terrorize the streets of Toronto.

While repeat offenders and illegal firearms traffickers are met with a revolving door justice system, this government insists on pouring resources into arbitrary Order in Council (OIC) bans that strictly target legally licensed, heavily vetted, and law-abiding firearms owners. Legal gun owners are not the ones shooting up our streets, yet we are the ones bearing the brunt of the government's "public safety" measures. It is entirely unfair and ineffective to penalize citizens who follow the law while actual threats are repeatedly let out on bail or handed lenient sentences.

Canadians deserve real public safety, not political theater. Therefore, I am urging you, as my elected representative, to push for the following immediate actions:

1. Reverse the OIC Bans: Stop the arbitrary and unfair targeting of legal firearms owners. These bans do nothing to take illegal guns out of the hands of violent criminals.
2. Introduce Mandatory Minimum Sentencing: Champion immediate legislation that imposes harsh, mandatory minimum sentences for criminals convicted of smuggling and trafficking illegal weapons into Canada.

Our streets are becoming more dangerous because the government is focusing on the wrong target. We need laws that keep violent, repeat offenders and illegal gun runners behind bars.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this urgent matter and learning what actionable steps you will take in Parliament to address the real source of gun violence in our country.

Sincerely,
[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[Your Phone Number]
[Your Email]

According to Calibre Magazine looking at Treasury Board documents,, the Liberals have apparently cut the money available for compensation in their "buyback" from $250 million to $64.8 million, with no notice to current or future participants.

We tried to to tell everyone their guns would be seized and they'd get nothing.....

That's a new one on me... nerver seen one of these before.

Any ideas on what these are

This is the written argument to be heard by the Supreme Court of Canada by the CCFR and associated parties v Canada. Happy reading. (Warning: pdf)

So less than half of their reduced number, even less than their reported number of know firearms and way way way less than the actual numbers of what’s out there. So who will blink first.

Firearm suppressors are currently illegal to own in Canada, but are legal and even encouraged in the US and many European countries. Suppressors alone do not make a gunshot silent; rather, they reduce its volume significantly. Suppressors can also be used in conjunction with subsonic ammunition, which does not produce a sonic boom when fired. This combination can render a gunshot almost completely silent and hearing-safe.

The legalization of suppressors is important for reducing the impact on the hearing health of the shooter and nearby people. It also lowers the gunshot noise generated by an active shooting range or a hunter out in the forest, resulting in fewer noise complaints by range neighbours and less environmental impact on the part of hunters.

If suppressors are legalized, I propose the implementation of a federal tax of $25 on the sale of each new suppressor. This special tax revenue would be partially allocated towards improved border security targeted at reducing the flow of illegal weapons smuggled into Canada from the United States. Smuggled weapons account for the vast majority of gun violence in this country. The second portion of the tax revenue would be allocated towards supporting the victims of gun violence, whether that be through mental health initiatives, enhanced medical care or direct financial support.

There are approximately 2 million licensed firearms owners in Canada. If each of them bought just one suppressor in a given year, the $25 tax per suppressor would result in an extra 50 million dollars the federal government could put towards eradicating firearms smuggling and assisting the victims of gun violence.

This suppressor initiative benefits everyone except for the criminals who smuggle and kill with illegal weapons. Firearms owners benefit from less hearing damage, range neighbours and the environment suffer less from noise pollution, the government benefits from increased funding to reduce the impact of gun smuggling and gun crime, and the victims of gun violence are granted increased support.

Stumbled across this and was like, are they serious? Regardless of the spelling of defence or whatever, this could still be bought by a child? With no training or license.

I've got my third notification about my final chance to apply for the gun buyback. But as far as I know I don't own any prohibited weapons. My rifles are either bolt action or lever action, except for a .22 and a shotgun, which last I checked were not on the list. They may be on a future list.

I assume they are just emailing everyone with a PAL because they're too lazy to go through the records to send out emails with the prohibited weapon(s) in question. My view is that until you show up at my door with a request for a specific weapon, STFU. My .22 was peanuts and they're never going to compensate me full value for my shotgun, so MEH.

Since the design is older than bill C-21 they should be able to make them AR mag compatible for the .223 and .308 versions (Pistol Mags). I do appreciate the effort, although execution can be lacking with them from time to time.

WITHDRAW from the ASFCP: if you’ve already declared your firearms, it’s not too late to withdraw. The program itself outlines how to do so.