r/canadaguns • u/AutoModerator • May 23 '22

Weekly Politics Thread

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

so what are the thoughts on the Uvalde school shooting?

Disasters like this are central to discussions of gun control.

I know most of the takes are going to be garbage, interested to see if there will be anything new and reasonable in the replies.

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u/TKB-059 bc May 26 '22

so what are the thoughts on the Uvalde school shooting?

American problems. Not Canadian problems.

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u/AlmostUnpleasant69 May 26 '22

Liberals gonna make it a Canadian problem.

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u/TKB-059 bc May 26 '22

Impotent seething over America is the entirety of the modern Canadian identity.

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u/AlmostUnpleasant69 May 26 '22

Extremely well put

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u/TechnologyReady Radical Centrist May 26 '22

CBC ran this story almost exclusively yesterday, and still like 50% today.

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u/GinnAdvent May 27 '22

The current government like to use shooting in US or Canada as a premises for more gun controls.

We already know the NS shooter got his guns illegally, yet government did OIC ban anyways.

The gun laws in States are all over the place, nothing like ours, mass shooting will keep happen if they don't do something solid. But the Canadian government also like to use that as preface as we are part of US, that our FA haven't done anything to prevent gun related crimes.

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u/Amaterasu127 May 26 '22

It’s both entirely unrelated to Canada and will 100% be used to (along with Buffalo) push for harsher restrictions both here and in the US.

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u/AlmostUnpleasant69 May 26 '22

“We’re not the US!” Screams the Canadian Liberal, as he desperately imports every social issue from the US.

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u/MajorCocknBalls May 26 '22

Yup

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/05/25/new-gun-control-measures-canada-coming/

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u/yerrawizardhairy May 26 '22

Handguns are going bye bye. But I kinda want it to happen. Won’t that just show that it does nothing to help the problem?

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u/MajorCocknBalls May 26 '22

They don't care about solving the problem. They care about pandering to morons. They sure as fuck wouldn't reverse the ban after finding out it's useless.

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u/Olive-Drab-Green Nyet! Rifle is Fine May 26 '22

Right it’s the idea to the masses that they’re doing something about it. It’s the laziest way to go about it and make it appear like you’re solving it

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u/exploreddit May 26 '22

Symptoms of a very ill culture. Blaming the tool is a lazy way to avoid fixing difficult multivariate societal problems.

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u/yummybunnybear May 26 '22

There's a good chance this incident would not have happened "in the way it did" if he were in Canada even with the pre-OIC rules:

  • He could not have purchased firearms without a PAL.

  • He could not have stolen a firearm easily given our storage riles.

  • He would have needed 2 references to apply for a PAL. Reports say that he was a loner and openly weirded people out around him. It's questionable whether he could have found 2 references.

  • he could not have purchased a firearm on his 18th birthday if he were in Canada.

  • The CFSC instructor would have added another layer of possibly noticing his weirdness.

That being said, I said this incident would not have happened "in the way it did" if he were in Canada. But he still could have killed a bunch of kids. Reports say that he went to the school in a truck and drove it recklessly in a ditch. If he didn't have any guns, he could have relied less on weapons and formulated a tighter plan to use his truck to cause carnage. 86 people were killed with a truck in France. That's more than the Las Vegas shooting. There was a time in US history when people had large cap mag semiautos but mass shootings were not as common. People see and people copy. My real fear is when the crazies figure out that trucks are more effective than firearms. Then we're doomed.

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u/floydsmoot May 26 '22

Canadian gun culture and US gun culture are not the same

Not only gun culture. Let's face it, the US has a very violent culture and Americans have been killing each other (and others) since the country began. Guns are the symptoms not the disease.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

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u/4david50 Saskatchewan May 26 '22

Do you think you might be interpreting his comment too literally?

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u/mmarollo May 26 '22

Canada just had one of the worst mass shootings in North American history. Canada has had numerous mass shootings but misleading to compare with US. We are 1 10th the population. One mass shooting every 10 years is the same as one per year in the US. We've had several in Canada just in last 5 years (e.g., mosque shooting)

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro May 26 '22

Some states have capacity restrictions

California and New York off the top of my head. I think Brownells or Numrich have a list of the more restrictive states.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

this isn't a bad assessment of the current situation in Canada.

The garbage takes I regularly see here in the weekly politics thread and other posts are the objections to the existing gun control system. Like the OIC, magazine restrictions, prohib listings.

The majority of participants in the politics thread advocate removing the controls because it's inconvenient for legal shooters. Or outright calls for carry permits and shooting ppl for property defense.

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u/marston82 May 26 '22

Did you know our current gun laws were written by Poly and the anti gun lobby? What does that say about our current gun laws? It means they are inherently biased against legal gun ownership in Canada. If you support our current gun laws then you agree with Poly on gun control in Canada.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

yes, I do agree that gun control laws should and do help prevent incidents like Poly, and that incident influenced Canadian gun control. I'm OK with it. I am still able to do what I want in terms of gun ownership & use.

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u/marston82 May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

You are in the wrong sub. Maybe try the liberal gun owners Reddit sub. With that “ok with it” attitude you won’t be able to do what you want with your guns for much longer. The anti gun groups already think you are a baby killer, you agreeing with their policies will only ensure your bolt action rifles and shotguns will also be banned. Poly souvient thinks all gun owners are evil people who want to massacre schools full of children. That is the basis of Canadian gun laws currently. I am not okay with that because I have no intention of criminal acts yet the law assumes we are potential criminals.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

this is /r/CanadaGuns, not /r/CanadaPPCConspiracyGuns. It's the politics thread. It's not much good just reinforcing your own opinions unchallenged. It's how gun owners become disconnected from political realities and come across as nutcases.

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u/Man_Dalorian May 27 '22

So you're one of those "fuck the other guys" kind of Fudds? You do realize that after they are done coming for the 'scary black rifles' they will be coming for your 'long range sniper rifle,' 'trench clearing shotgun,' 'unlimited capacity .22 bullet hose' and whatever other Fudd tech you think won't be touched by gun grabbers 😂 time to wake up bud. Quislings eventually outlive their usefulness.

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u/pissing_noises May 26 '22

The OIC, magazine restrictions, and prohibited listings, do nothing to affect crime.

You should be able to apply for an ATC to protect yourself, and get one.

You can hold all these views and still think this event is tragic.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

well here's a garbage take. Gun control does nothing to prevent gun crime? That's poorly reasoned. Of course it doesn't prevent all gun-involved crime. There would be MORE gun-involved crime with LESS gun controls like prohibs and magazine restrictions.

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u/pissing_noises May 26 '22

Yeah you know what, the only thing stopping me from going on a spree is the fact my mags are pinned and that my handgun barrel is too long. Someone should hand out ten round magazines to gangs so they will resist the urge to shoot each other.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

No there wouldn't.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

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u/Doctor_Dabmeister May 26 '22

I've only had my RPAL for 3 years so I can't speak for anything that happened before but I can't help but feel that firearm advocacy groups never bothered to engage the public until recently in the past year or so. They've been mostly preaching to the choir.

The only major thing I've heard that they arranged was the Range Day in June but barely any ranges are posting about it in my area. To make matters worse, many ranges have year long waitlists and have policies that discourage you from bringing in guests (at least in Ontario).

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

Poly is at worst guilty of the same onesidedness regularly found here in the politics thread. They have a far stronger moral underpinning, since their objective is to stop mass killing, vs. gun-decontrol objectives of convenience, sport, or profit. I don't want Poly's vision of gun control, but I don't want the vision of someone who can't see beyond their own inconvenience not being able to buy giant mags. 😂

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u/Mr_Canada1867 May 26 '22

“giant mags” jesus christ 🤦🏻‍♂️ 30rd mags are standard capacity ffs, whats so hard to understand? If a 30rd mag is high capacity to you, then wtf do u consider a 100rd drum? “extra” high capacity? and what about a 17rd glock mag? “low” high capacity mag? malaka😂

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

anything over 5 is high capacity.

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u/Mr_Canada1867 May 26 '22

ayt, now i know you’re straight up trolling 😂

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u/Totally-Not-The-CIA May 26 '22

This is a joke, right?

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

What take is there to have? Easily preventable, police sitting on their ass from the new reports coming out, schools should have security teams. Gun control doesn't work

Nvm I see in your replies that you don't particularly care for the OIC since you're "still able to do what you want". Absolutely ridiculous. You're already expecting garbage takes from us so you may as well have not said anything.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

correct. I am not opposed to the OIC. I would have preferred it be done with specific, objective parameters instead.

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u/RentedZone CU Shotgun President May 26 '22

But then the OIC wouldn't exist :)

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

I agree with its objective to reduce availability of low recoil semi-auto carbines. I don't agree it's the right method, it's missed a bunch of stuff, and very poor job of communication, explanation. Restrict vs. prohib another aspect.

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u/RentedZone CU Shotgun President May 26 '22

But why is it an issue for us to own them? Is there data out there showing that we're misusing them?

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

They're weapons of war 😖

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u/RentedZone CU Shotgun President May 26 '22

Which ones? And why does that matter?

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

I'm being sarcastic lol

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u/RentedZone CU Shotgun President May 26 '22

Gotcha xD

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

they've been previously misused by some people to great harm. That's the thrust of the OIC.

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u/RentedZone CU Shotgun President May 26 '22

He didn't have a licence though. In fact, he had a firearms prohibition. And the RCMP were informed that he has firearms, and yet nothing was done.

Why should I have to pay for the RCMPs incompetence and this countries inability to secure our borders?

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

so why keep bitchin about the FA when the RCMP is the problem. Start bitchin' about the RCMP!

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u/RentedZone CU Shotgun President May 26 '22

What..? Why can't I bitch about unjust firearm laws AND shitty RCMP officers?

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u/Mr_Canada1867 May 26 '22

“low recoil semi-auto carbines”, you’ve just given me stage 4 cancer 😵‍💫😵

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

that's what most of the OIC is.

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u/Mr_Canada1867 May 26 '22

lol, a fuck ton of muzzle loaders were also banned. They even banned RPG’s and Stingers 😆 the OIC was a COD/BATTLEFIELD weapons list

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

muzzle loaders banned by the 10kJ limit? I'm OK with that. Still, could've done it without an OIC and some people would still be mad.

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u/Newfoundgunner nf May 26 '22

So an antique elephant gun is an assault weapon?

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u/v-infernalis May 27 '22

Ban guns that I dont like or own? I'm ok with that!

See how stupid that sounds?

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

Lol dude you're asking for more gun restrictions under the guise of rationality. Won't happen. The fact that gun owners here actually ask for more restrictions is beyond me 😂

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u/SomeOutdoorsGuy Hello Oper8or? 📞 May 26 '22

This community is its own worse enemy smh

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

I'm not so keen on the proposed handgun ban. But I'm definitely not asking for them to become unrestricted or for broader authorizations to carry.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

the "slippery slope" idea is a fallacy. Policy doesn't move because it's sliding down a hill. If it's moving, it's because enough people want it to move. "Gun control" is not some new idea that's never been tried.

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u/troviinstaller May 27 '22

“Enough people”… yeah, enough people who have no stake in the issue at hand and have no knowledge at all of the process of acquiring a firearm. Ask yourself how many Toronto voters would really want to ban the mini 14 and VZ 58 if it wasn’t for the liberals milking gun control for votes?

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

I guess you better start making better arguments convincing Toronto voters how the mini 14 isn't a threat to public safety. Those voters believed the LPC's pitches and not those of the anti OIC people here. Being sour about it won't help. Or get the CPC to dump the social conservatives, economic austerity, and truck fascists that prevent them from winning elections and doing something different from the Liberals.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

it's not "sliding" from it's own inherent momentum. There's no physical process. Any govt can decide to make as large or small a move in either direction, on any point of control, over whatever timeline they choose. It's a terrible metaphor.

It's tightening because most people are convinced more controls would be better. If people are convinced that looser controls would be better, that's the way it will go.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

Well guess what, your thinking gives them leeway to ban handguns. You can't pick and choose when it comes to legislation. Give an inch, they take a mile. How do you not understand this?

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u/PersecutedCanadian May 28 '22

So what are your thoughts on the Ottawa protests?

Disasters like this are central to discussions on how knowledgeable someone is on existing gun laws.

I know most of the takes are going to be garbage, interested to see if there will be anything new and reasonable in the replies.

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u/DarseZ Jun 06 '22

It is interesting that no one can come out and just say something like:

The Uvalde shooting is a horrific and unbelievably tragic situation. Americans need to talk about firearms and the mental health of people that have access to them.