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u/rastamasta45 May 15 '26
You know what I absolutely love about liberals in Canada, they’re so terrified of conservatives they elected an authoritarian banker,
So far he’s
- Disarming the populace
- Passing a bill to end all encryption in Canada
- Hinted at making VPN’s illegal
- Passed a law to make whatever speech illegal
- Encouraging foreign soldiers to join the caf
- Stole a majority through back room deals and ignored the will of the people
Add all these up, makes you wonder what the LPC are up 🤔
Anyway I bet LPC voters are happy it’s not Harper in office
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u/EliteDuck May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26
Hinted at making VPN’s illegal
Friendly reminder to start looking into Meshtastic, Meshcore and Reticulum.
Meshtastic is easy to use if you're not super tech savvy. Reticulum aims to eventually replicate the functions of the internet completely over radio frequencies (Meshtastic, Meshcore, etc data can all be wired/fed into a Reticulum hub), aided with internet-connected hubs connecting continents/population centers.
EDIT: You also shouldn't import a Baofeng DM-32 from Aliexpress for $100 CAD. That would be soooo bad. You definitely shouldn't enable encryption either. That would also be verrry bad.😿
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u/eekay233 May 16 '26
It's like me and one other guy on my local Meshcore net and there's about 12 on Meshtastic. It's mostly just people spamming "test" back and forth and one guy complaining about immigrants.
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u/TKB-059 bc May 16 '26
and one guy complaining about immigrants
bro why you gotta out me like this?
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u/EliteDuck May 16 '26
Because it’s just enthusiasts on it right now. When the internet is cable TV-ified, people will be flocking to Meshtastic.
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u/New-Replacement-2352 May 15 '26
Things would be worse under the conservatives cause, uuhm idk. Carney’s a conservative anyway! Just gotta wait until all those non binding mou’s kick in and hope the natives don’t hold everything up for years.
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u/rastamasta45 May 15 '26
Bro you don’t get it, this is all Harper’s fault and the Cheetos fault, bro please, you need to understand, it’s Harper, please bro vote LPC, it’ll make Canada better bro!
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u/HappyCan7250 May 16 '26
"We suspect all these bad gun owners have prohibited firearms, so we have probably cause and will now be eavesdropping on them by activating their phones microphones without a warrant!"
It's actually fucking nuts that this is somewhat a possibility, and not just total whack job conspiracy now. They literally force companies to have backdoor entry to activate your phones microphone, without a warrant and listen in on everything you say. Granted they need "probably cause", but that's a pretty vague, broad allowance to use it.
I cant believe people arent more outraged over this bill. Could a minor misdemeanor be probable cause? Does it only apply to suspicion of serious charges? Who knows, all I know is it will be abused.
I hope one day once the liberals are out, we'll get "The Liberal Files", sort of like the Canadian Epstein files, and we'll find out all the crazy weird corrupt shit they've been up to for the last decade. This country has actually gone insane, we're fucked.
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u/CurlyWurly61 May 11 '26
I'm so stoked for the Makasi to be in my hands 🙏
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u/JaxIsLoud May 11 '26
Same. Just got a bunch of cross mags for it when it gets here along with all the other things to build it the way I want it
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u/adrenalineJ92 May 11 '26
But won’t it end up being banned?
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 11 '26
It’s about the friends we made along the way not the firearm smh.
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u/RydNightwish May 11 '26
For how much some of these one time range trips before banned cost, i could a rent a nice friend or two for the whole weekend.
And she'd at least tell me I was a good boy.
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u/HappyCan7250 May 15 '26
Backland Hunter has been on the market for several months now without being banned.
The Alcor has been around for nearly a year or so now without being banned.
SKS still isn't banned
AD500 has been around for a year without being banned.
Homesteader still never got banned
I may be being optimistic, but I think the liberals know they're screwed on this file, and don't want to pour more gas on the fire. I think they're quietly just hoping the whole thing will go away, adding more guns would only complicate things for them at this point.
Besides, we all know they aren't collecting jack shit, so buy the Mk15 while you can, it'll be yours forever!
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u/ReturnOk7510 May 17 '26
Since it's being marketed as a FAL/AR derivative, I think there's approximately 0.001% chance it doesn't get banned. They're just waiting for enough people to drop 3 grand on them before they ban it. It's literally part of their playbook, they've said it out loud.
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u/RydNightwish May 18 '26
The whole "it was always banned, you shouldn't have bought it" is all queued up Im sure.
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u/rastamasta45 May 11 '26
https://ottawacitizen.com/public-service/defence-watch/public-servants-military-mobilization-plan
Doing all this in a country actively disarming its own citizens, we truly aren’t a serious country anymore 🤦🏽🐿️
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u/Lumindan May 11 '26
Considering how horrendous the current administrative procedures are in CAF, I don't have high hopes.
If you know, you know.
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u/mangobludden May 11 '26
john sonion im CRINE, nga's genuinely be disarming its populace but STILL wanting thousands to serve.
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u/greasygreenbastard May 11 '26
Is the anti-firearm/anti-self preservation zeitgeist part and parcel of the gerontocracy that currently rules over us?
It seems like the worst offenders are all of an older age, especially those who had the "we're not America" baked into them.
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u/Brapika May 11 '26
That certain generation had FALs and full autos, but when it was the next generations turn it was just another thing they kicked the ladder out on. We shouldn't be surprised the people who grew up with the summer of free love and a 10,000% return in their real estate don't understand the plight of younger people.
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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down May 11 '26
People in perpetual state of privilege terrified of tools that threaten their position if privilege is abused
Yeah, that sums up the 65+ (and the urban Montrealite) view pretty well.
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u/FireteamOrcale May 13 '26
Not sure if anyone’s mentioned this but for my fellow Ontario residents there’s this petition: “A new petition put forward by MPP Bobbi Ann Brady of Haldimand-Norfolk, is calling on the Doug Ford government to take meaningful action to protect lawful firearms owners from the Carney government’s planned confiscation program.”
Read More: https://nfa.ca/BradyPetition/
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 14 '26
I am big stupid. Where do you sign this lol?
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u/FireteamOrcale May 14 '26
You gotta download it and print it out: We encourage our Ontario members to download, print, sign, and mail a copy to help demonstrate widespread public support for provincial action. A downloadable copy of the petition is available below, and can be signed and sent by mail to:
Consituency Office of Bobbi Ann Brady, MPP 50B Gilbertson Drive PO Box 91 Simcoe, ON N3Y 4K8
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u/Helpful-Sock-4988 May 19 '26
https://x.com/CCFR_CCDAF/status/2056848343469277456
Attorney General for the Ontario Government, Douglas Downey has asked to INTERVENE on CCFR's behalf at the Supreme Court of Canada.
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u/FunkyFrunkle May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26
Excellent!
Would be incredible if other provinces started to follow suit. It also makes complete and total sense.
I maintain that a huge reason why the provinces are refusing en masse is because their respective Attorney Generals are likely aware of the potential legal crisis these bans could precipitate. Provincial courts are stretched to the max, and flooding the courts with all of these cases for possession of previously legal guns by people who are otherwise squeaky clean is not something they have any interest in doing.
Because of R. v. Jordan, the number of cases getting tossed would skyrocket because the courts would become overwhelmed with the sheer volume of cases, resulting in hearing timelines getting stretched so far out that they’d have to throw out actual criminal cases. According to the charter, everyone has the right to be tried in a reasonable amount of time.
Our “system” is not equipped to support mass incarcerations and it’s certainly not designed to support a massive influx of cases. Our budgets aren’t big enough to pay out the millions of billable hours it would result in.
This whole thing is a massive fuckup. The provinces would be doing Ottawa a favour by beating them in court.
It’s in every provinces best interest to get on board with this.
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u/rastamasta45 May 19 '26
This is good news! More support, more legal resources against this unconstitutional gun grab! Love to see it, at this point the country is united against Ottawa, they seriously need to take the hint and drop this!
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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 May 19 '26
All they can do is double down.
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u/rastamasta45 May 13 '26
https://youtu.be/QNVpEFqTyjg?si=GcJE2xH2CCS7NSt4
Yall wanna boil your blood this morning,
The misinformation is unreal, they can’t rely on facts so just lies is all that’s left to push their ideological nonsense. Hold firm
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u/2Puppers4Sale Custom Flair (Be appropriate or else we'll take it away again) May 13 '26
Wendy is a quack who thinks she is smart when really she is not. Also the cop really seems eager to want to put us in prison for not complying. Never give anything to these wannabe tyrants.
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u/Office_Responsible May 16 '26
All cops are like that, none of them will do anything but eagerly throw us in jail. Gotta protect those pensions. I don’t like them because they are the boots that do the stepping.
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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 May 13 '26
Why wont they invite the Professor that recently published a study on this? Its not like there no academia experts looking at the issue and concluding it will have minimal to no impact on public safety. I guess science and academia is bought out by the big gun lobby.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 14 '26
Made a second comment as I watched the video. 6:00. Not a single source cited or even referenced. Just general vibes and trust me bros. Policing capacity and enforcing the ban after October... Holy shit. So bro in one half of his mouth is saying "There is more important shit to do." Then goes on to say bullshit out the other. Also Wendy is straight up lying with the "Most are restricted firearms." Yea no Wendy. That MIGHT have been true back in just the 2020 OIC bans but not now. But go on. Keep lying. I don't except much from you. Also like straight up ignoring Sask and what they have done and Alberta. 12:00. The fact bro thinks this is going to be a front burner issue is actually unhinged. MAYBE for restricted as that's low hanging fruit but non restricteds? The amount of work that is required in getting a non restricted is insane. You would have to. 1. Pick a license holder you don't like that much. 2. Ask for all the reference numbers to the stores they bought guns from. 3. Ask for the records of what guns they bought. 4. If you find one of the prohibited guns now you have to see if there is a chance they sold it so you have to check there firearm transfer history and discuss it with them. It's such a large amount of work and so much boring paper work for such little return you would have to be a real fucking hater to go and do all that... Which I would not be surprised if some cops are willing to do that but I am banking on the fact most cops hate having to do paper work.
Wendy Cuckier going on after about issues related to youth firearm suicide really fucking cracked me up as how does a house being 'full of firearms' make a difference when it comes to firearm by suicide? Last I checked when people do the deed with a firearm they use one. So it doesn't matter if someone has only as single shot break action shotgun or a gun collection 1,000+ guns big. The intimidate partner violence she talks about later is extra insulting as she straight up admits issues with enforcing the laws already in the books. So maybe spend some resources and money enforcing them? Like she can talk big talk now about wanting to deal with the 'root cause' issues but she has had such a history of bad faith nobody believes her. Most certainly not any meaningful stake holder.
Also going back to the cop saying "We really need to build those bridges with gun owners as cops." Is hilarious. Buddy you burned that bridge and now your trying to put out the ashes with piss.
Also the end bit with them asking "What does success look like to you." So one of Wendy's arguments here is "Okay let's look at the crime stats like the homicide rate." Okay Wendy so in five years if the homicide rate does not go down will you consider this project a failure or will you just double down? Oh wait your a career lobbyist so double down. Also again with the suicide comments. How does any of these bans lower suicide? Like that is the thing that probably disgusts me most about this argument. Them pretending to care about suicide. None of these bans do anything to lower gun suicide. Shit gun suicide should not even matter. Overall suicide is what's important. The final thing she said around "Well political extremism and firearms!" Is extra funny. Extremists don't give one shit about what the gun laws are. If someone is willing to carry out a violent attack they don't care if it's illegal for them to buy a glock with a auto switch from a gun smuggler or make a homemade gun themselves. Shit as far as mass killings go in Canada vehicle attacks seem to be a lot more popular and either almost as, just as or even more deadly then mass shootings.
I have to say the cops ending bit made me really fucking laugh. "Really be more decent to, one another." But when it's the government saying that people should be criminalized then you should be as hateful as possible.
Didn't watch the rest as the focal point of this was Wendy and the cop. Tldr? As other people have said this is straight up a propaganda piece. Lot of "Trust me bros." Lot of straight up lies and a lot of fear mongering.
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u/Lumindan May 13 '26
It's honestly impressive how bold they are about it.
Not a single iota of shame.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 13 '26
So much of what they say is “Trust me bro.” The thing that pisses me off so far is that they are straight up lying about it mostly being Restricted’s that are impacted.
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u/IAMURBUNKLE May 14 '26
Love how they invite two self-proclaimed experts that have identical beliefs to have a “debate”. Propaganda pushing
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u/eekay233 May 15 '26
Not gun but Public Safety Incompetence related.
Anandasangaree still touting that Public Safety knows more then the experts, that they are misinterpreted and they truly know best.
We are a joke of a country.
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u/rastamasta45 May 15 '26
Nightmare fuel, also his rat fucker face is nightmare fuel as well.
Literally madness of a bill, making Canadians more hackable by the day.
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u/WeightedDips95 May 16 '26
“Why do you care if you have nothing to hide?” - Canadian “Liberals” 2026
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u/Office_Responsible May 16 '26
Ever wonder why they want to access everything and ban all the guns at the same time? I sure do.
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u/RydNightwish May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
Remember to fill out your census folks. And use the suggestion box at the end to express your displeasure with the state of things! Like how much medical or educational equipment could be bought with that money instead.
I know its a futile gesture but if you gotta be forced to fill it out, might as well take the inch of space they give to speak your mind.
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u/rastamasta45 May 19 '26
IWI Carmel set to be imported into Canada!!! Hell Yeah!!
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u/hungbeastfromtheeast May 19 '26
First off "tel aviv impressed" second that shit looks ugly and beauty over function is my motto so I'll take the makasi
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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES May 19 '26
Nice to hear. While I will never support IWI again it’s nice to see another gun make it to market
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u/Unknownuser010203 May 20 '26
I'm just curious if you wouldn't support iwi because of the war or something else? I'm not trying to instigate anything just curious
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u/rastamasta45 May 20 '26
It brings me such great joy knowing poly’s nightmare came true, people will no doubt use the buyback money to buy a Makasi or Carmel, I love is so much, I’d give anything to see the hags at poly lose it 🥹
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 20 '26
Won’t be buying the Makasi or Carmel but I will say it again and won’t stop saying it. I own more guns now then I would have if the OICs and handgun freeze never happened. If the OICs never happened I would have a Ruger Mini 14, a Type 81 one .22 lr rifle, one PCC and that’s it maybe a shotgun as well. Might not have even gotten handguns as I would have considered it ‘to much work’. Let’s just say the number of .22 lr firearms I currently have is the same number of total guns I would have give or take a shotgun. If the goal of Poly was to lower the number of guns in Canada they have failed in my case atleast.
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u/rastamasta45 May 20 '26
Cannot agree more, before the bans I was at 9 guns and that’s it. Then Trudy and poly had to get in my business and now let’s just say I have more guns than most video game arsenals.
I have enough alleged paper weights and I put down for the Makasi, because to me it’s another middle finger to this unjust government!
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u/ThreadlockerBlue May 21 '26
The safe is overflowing but I just had to put down for the Makasi too. Absolutely agree; these bans did nothing but increase the total number of guns in the country.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 21 '26
I mean it's just a objective fact at this point. Let's say over the 3 OICS they have banned 2 million total guns. https://thegunblog.ca/reference/imports/ From 2020-2025. 359,236 guns in 2020 alone. 2021 424,808, 2022 496,195, 2023 387,437, 2024 329,658, 2025 322,356. Add those numbers up and you get 2,319,690 guns. Even if 40% of all those guns were banned that would still mean there are 1,391,814 new guns floating around in Canada still being used. Also it's not like all those banned guns have gone away. I would say not even 100,000 have been turned in or more simply put taken away from the overall number of guns in Canada. Oh I also forgot to mention the limited domestic supply made in that which even MRA must make atleast a little over 1,000 rifles a year and I know Savage Arms produces a decent number of .22 LR rifles in Canada. So yea objectively speaking there are more guns now in Canada then before the bans. If the goal was to reduce the number of guns it’s failed. If the goal was to discourage and reduce the number of pal holder’s it’s failed.
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u/WeightedDips95 May 20 '26
A second tactical 223 sporting rifle has hit the market
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u/WeightedDips95 May 20 '26
I seriously dont understand anyone that hates on the US. Because they elect someone they dont like every once in a while? Like if you dont like Trump its the same country that elected Obama twice? Its literally a working democracy they claim to love. Or is democracy one party rule and unelected majorities like we have, as long as its their guy?
Even while they have Trump, if you want to live in a woke hell hole, they have states like California and Oregon if you want junkies in your shit and your kids to be indoctrinated to hate themselves. Thats the beauty of it, theres something for everyone. Rhetorical question i suppose. The modern leftist is totalitarian and wants everyone around the world to be forced the live up to the ideals they dont even come close to.
Sorry for the rant, pretty besides the point.
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u/InitialAd4125 May 21 '26
No there is no truly free state like Nevada that isn't in the fucking desert. When America has green Nevada then we can talk.
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u/WeightedDips95 May 21 '26
Hey, can we talk? Not all of Nevada is desert. Reno and Lake Tahoe off the top of my mind.
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u/TKB-059 bc May 21 '26
New Hampshire?
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 21 '26
Close but still no legal sex work. Only state that can claim that award is Nevada. As the state was founded by brothel owners pretty much.
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u/TKB-059 bc May 21 '26
I'd easily take the freedom to not worry about basically any form of crime over a gooners paradise.
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u/InitialAd4125 May 21 '26
Boooo. I need more freedom not less security theater bullshit.
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u/Office_Responsible May 23 '26
I wonder if the beretta NARP will ever come to Canada. The design was started in 2018.
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u/gamercast1337 May 23 '26
Did ol dougie Ford just say something like "gun owners protect your guns" at a conference today/yesterday about dogshit government Court rulings? He said it without it even being the topic of discussion at the press conference so you think he might be finally falling on our side of the fence instead of fencesitting on it?
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u/rastamasta45 May 23 '26
Well their attorney general has requested to be involved in the Supreme Court case, so yes Ontario is in the fight.
I love he said it in front of Joly too
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u/gamercast1337 May 23 '26
Oh THAT was her behind him!?? I didnt realize it just thought it was some provincial goon he would have following him LMAO
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 23 '26
The spirt of Rob Ford possessed him.
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u/gamercast1337 May 23 '26
Could we have rob Fords spirit take over his body permanently and maybe we would see some good come out of that party?
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 23 '26
I would want that just for the memes. The number of memes we have gotten from Doug Ford are nowhere near Rob Ford. The two I remember are not even from Doug Ford saying it but one of a kid calling Doug ford a Tim bit and another case where Doug ford swallowed a bee live on camera.
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u/ConstructionOk4528 May 23 '26
That fat bastard only cares now that he's slipping in the polls
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u/Gloomy-Grocery6562 May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
Shocker. The guy who supports carney is a slimy liberal? No way.
I'll settle for him over a Liberal/NDP ideologue though. Until other parties start actually supporting gun rights with their actions I don't care what his motives are.
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u/rastamasta45 May 14 '26
https://www.ctvnews.ca/kitchener/article/one-person-shot-in-waterloo-suspects-still-on-the-loose/
Oh good, aren’t these the vehicles that are gonna moves tens of thousands of rifles??
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u/WeightedDips95 May 14 '26
Is it just me or I dont remember this amount of brazen crime and gun crime growing up?
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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 May 14 '26
Canada is the safest it has ever been. Look at the stats, crime is down in the last 10 years. /s
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u/FireteamOrcale May 14 '26
It’s also the most affordable it’s been in a decade!!
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u/WeightedDips95 May 15 '26
Yes, this is so true! Praise Carney!
Also omg did you see the CNN Trump Lie TrackerTM!??? He said 3 lies yesterday!!
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 14 '26
That totally won’t make them even bigger targets for crime…
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u/gamercast1337 May 15 '26
Idk if they are doing it up here yet but I have some knowledge of the industry and these companies are trying to get it to go down to 1 man per truck like it is in the states. Now you tell me how fucking stupid it is to have 1 man driving, transporting and actually delivering and pick up cash. Now imagine it was juicy weapons, dont even need to turn thr cash in to guns , just straight up guns.
You look at that and tell me thats a good plan for 1, let alone a 2 man crew. Hell 3 wouldnt really be safe enough I think. And these companies definitely dont have the manpower for this either. And I can't imagine any self respecting RPAL holder to confiscate his own communities guns.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 15 '26
After already seeing the really shitty pay of a Brinks driver I think that if I was a Brinks driver though saying I no longer get a partner would be the final straw in me quitting. Sorry but I am not Rambo or John Mcclane especially when it comes to other people's insured money. I am not risking my life to have a target put on my back. Idk also what kind of training Brinks driver's get but I doubt it would be enough to effectively take on three guy's by themselves. With two people atleast you have someone to watch your back. By yourself? Three criminals could easily over power your average Brinks driver. They would only even need two handguns if that between the three of them. I can't believe they are seriously trying to go down to one person per truck. That’s just screaming for criminals to target Brinks trucks even more.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 11 '26
Here’s something very political… I think I have almost all the boom-sticks I desire. Now tell me why I am wrong.
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u/MLI691H May 11 '26
That’s what I tell my wife, just one more and I am done. 10 guns later. Still want an AK though
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u/Barbarian_818 May 11 '26
My unicorn gun would be the Canadian pattern of FN-FAL, the F1C1
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 11 '26
There is always going to be “That one more gun.” But I do think I am slowing down on my gun purchases ngl.
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u/Nilotaus May 14 '26
buy more of the same then make water-proof caches to hide those firearms+other stuff as a backup.
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u/HappyCan7250 May 15 '26
I get this feeling to from time to time, and then I see something cool and realize I want it. The list just keeps growing.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 15 '26
Well there are always going to be guns I want but I only have so much place to put them. Generally these days I think upgrading firearms is where it’s at.
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u/thxxx1337 May 20 '26
IWI Carmel already down on SFRC. Still up on Gotenda
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u/HappyCan7250 May 20 '26
I personally much prefer the Mk15. I believe the Carmel uses a polymer receiver which I'm not crazy about. The Carmel looks to have a lighter profile barrel as well.
Im opting Mk15, don't really need both. With the limited number coming in I genuinely hope everyone can get one from a shop if they want one. I guarantee GP is going to be loaded with scalpers trying to resell Mk15s and Carmels for $3500+ within days of the orders coming in. I expect prices will continue to climb on them for a while after the initial batches come in as demand will be pretty high.
Same thing happened with the R9, but Stirling also jacked their prices up. When they first launched they were only like $1200 I think? But then guys were trying to sell them on GP for $2k+.
I'm all for capitalism, but it still bugs me sometimes that guys do this.
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u/Late_Winner6859 May 22 '26
B&Ts have polymer lower. I have beaten mine quite badly, and no functional issues at all.
I haven’t seen [usable] polymer uppers before, but if IWI is doing it - it must be reliable and sturdy enough ?
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u/Office_Responsible May 23 '26
Polymer lowers agent a big issue really, do you like glocks? The X95 used polymer and it’s proven. So does the CZ Bren
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u/gamercast1337 May 24 '26
Guess I gotta carry this politics thread again lmao, cbc reporting that unions are warning carney gov is looking to limit union strikes and shit like that (or something along those lines) and naturally every boomer is in support of it. Remember this is who we are up agaisnt as not only gun owners, but people who arent part of this cohort. You literally cannot talk to these boomers, or boomer mindset people. They are literally captured by the liberals and are okay with the government taking away labor rights, let alone our gun rights.
Boomers and the liberals WANT you to be defenseless slaves. When you see it that way, it all makes sense. Dont bother engaging with Boomers, just make their lives more difficult when you can.
Link below to read Unions warn Carney government is considering sweeping changes to labour law — including the right to strike | CBC News https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-labour-code-consultations-right-to-strike-9.7209196
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u/gamercast1337 May 24 '26
Better than P.P could! P.P wouldnt even bother doing this because hes so scared! This shows just how good Carney is
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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES May 24 '26
PP would have made me eat real meat!!!!!! How evil and carbon ignorant!!! I prefer my meat 3d printed thank you very much!
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u/gamercast1337 May 24 '26
So whos going to protest this? Will this be the awakening split between the progressives and the boomers in rhe party, since this change is clearly oriented towards one group.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 25 '26
It will separate if there is any the Liberal MPs with values (I doubt there are many if any.) And the ones who have no values.
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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 May 13 '26
The handgun transfer ban clearly working…
https://vancouversun.com/news/surrey-traffic-stop-man-loaded-gun-found-allegedly-police
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u/Armed_Accountant Whoever wants to touch my guns has to touch me first. May 13 '26
So they search someone for traffic infractions now? Wow
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 22 '26
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/tumbler-ridge-mass-shooting-rcmp-guns-9.7207560 I am honestly a little shocked Poly isn't just making this about guns but the fact the police but more so the court system fucked up big. I think that tells me they realize that this time around they don't have as much momentum for banning guns from this shooting. The focus seems to heavily be on AI and the police/courts not doing enough.
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u/FunkyFrunkle May 22 '26 edited May 22 '26
The circumstances that continue to surround this tragedy are hard to ignore, and it’s difficult to condense everything that cultivated into this shooting down to just “guns”.
From the very beginning, the conversation focused on mental health and the grim reality with respect to access to mental health services in rural communities because objectively, that is the major blindspot that allowed a volatile situation to boil over.
I would also put forth that it wasn’t the police that fucked up. They did everything they were supposed to do. They seized the guns from the home. It was the courts that fucked up when they ordered the guns to be returned. I don’t know what went into that decision, but given a lot of high profile cases that have been in the news lately, nobody knows what the courts are doing.
There’s no way to get around that. It was an abject failure of the courts and that’s what people are rightly talking about. The credibility of the buyback in our current context is in active free-fall, and if the gun control groups try to hijack the conversation, it’s not going to be as well received as it has been in the past especially after the spectacle of the last scrum with Provost.
The mishandling of the Nova Scotia massacre involving Brenda Lucki is also still fresh in peoples minds, and it really didn’t help the gun control push in the long run. It left a bad taste in peoples mouth.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 22 '26
Well my big take away from Nova was the police were utterly useless if not down right malicious in that one. Like they literally gave themselves a new Nick name of firehall shooters from that one. Goes nicely with the sleigh dog killers.
But yea. Poly can try to make this about guns and no doubt they will but it’s not going to go much of anywhere. The reality is beyond adding a handful more guns to a OIC list or a FRT ban the push for more gun bans is coming to a end. People in general are concerned about the cost of living. When you are actively cutting programs to help people but are keeping a gun ban that wastes billions of dollars it gets even a regular person questioning the narrative.
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u/DoYouGetSarcasm May 22 '26
They are calling for what guns were used and how they were obtained so they can use that information to try and ban more guns or put in more gun control. They are infact trying to make this about the guns. And hoping there was a licensed owner involved somehow so they can attack gun ownership as a whole.
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u/HappyCan7250 May 25 '26
Somehow instead of questioning what led this deranged kid to do this, people are somehow blaming an AI company instead. Personally, I think there are other questions we should be asking about this shooting, that don't relate to guns or to AI. (but I've had enough reddit bans lately but we all know what the elephant in the room on that one is I think)
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u/gamercast1337 May 17 '26
Carney is having a lot of issues, from being called out for doing fuckall, and with his caucus right now, potentially another one leaving. I suspect we will be having somr gun bans/gun law changes coming to help distract the people from his failures and to unify the party on something. Mag bans maybe? More semi auto bans? Other gun bans?
"Ough but they can't even do the current gun bans how will they handle the new ones!?" Doesn't matter, thats a future issue he needs something now.
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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 May 17 '26
Carney could slap a baby and his loyal voters would say "At least it wasn't PP, he'd have eaten the baby", and continue to vote liberal.
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u/TKB-059 bc May 17 '26 edited May 17 '26
Carney could slap a baby and his loyal voters would say "At least it wasn't PP, he'd have eaten the baby", and continue to vote liberal.
This doesn't work on private corporations and other nations when going beyond the
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u/Sharp_Phrase_9066 May 18 '26
none of the issues will be actual issues. they control the media. people are brainwashed.
hopeless.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 18 '26
A even more curfews option is banning ‘tacticool’ SKS but the wholesome Woodstock pinned magazine is okay. Idk how that ban would even work but I could see them trying something that stupid.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 18 '26
I don't think gun bans are exactly the winning topic for Carney right now. Funnily enough anytime I bring up the gun bans to a Carney supporter they defend Carney by saying "It was a Treadeu era idea." It's hard to call a PM pragmatic when he turns around does a pet project that only a few ridings give a shit about. They defend the bans as is as saying "Well Carney can't back down now. To much has already been invested into it." If he doubled down by adding even more shit to the list then that would break the reality of "He's just trying to wrap things up." However even all that aside as someone else said. He's got the public at the moment in the palm of his hand. He doesn't need to a 'change the channel' gun ban. He can keep doing what he's doing now and nobody seems to give a fuck.
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u/WeightedDips95 May 18 '26
>Funnily enough anytime I bring up the gun bans to a Carney supporter they defend Carney by saying "It was a Treadeu era idea."
Just a note, this isnt exactly a repudiation of the recent gun control regime. Liberal supporters are largely incapable of thinking for themselves. They most likely still believe only the government should have guns, because that is what theyve been taught all their lives. The line you mentioned is more of a rhetorical trick to take the wind out of your sails and obfuscate the issue. Theyre trying to create distance from their new messiah Carney from a policy that has caught a lot of flak and has been shown to be a disgrace.
Its the same exact trick with the whole carbon tax thing. They never disagreed with it when Trudeau was around, and they still dont philosophically disagree with it, nor do they posses the ability to even think about it logically. Its just that the CBC has told them that Carney is the new thing to be excited about, and the guy to fall in line behind, and he says that the carbon tax is so yesterday!(but also, we still need one? lets not get into that!)
This is all to say that we shouldnt kid ourselves, or take any sort of comfort in what the normie cattle are saying. If Carney came out with a ban tomorrow and laid the buzzwords on thick, the normoids would p*ss and Shi*d themselves with jubilation.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 18 '26
It’s funny as the wind out of the sails can be very easily brought back by saying “How much double downing on the carbon tax did JT did that Carney just ended?”
Yea to add more nuance to what I said above you are right. They are in a strange contradictory plain of existence.
Maybe but it really depends how the media spins it. That’s one thing I have noticed.
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u/WeightedDips95 May 18 '26
I dont even try anymore. In my experience, if people are publicly defending Liberal policy, its already too late for them. I even have tried with a couple friends/ family. It always ends the same. They agree to your logic after 30 minutes of breaking it down, and then the next time you guys talk about something its like you never had the conversation. Youre going up against 10-20-30 years, even 40 for boomers of constant indoctrination. Youd drive yourself mad trying to go against that.
Even my own mother, who is depressed because all her children had to move 1000s of kms away from our birthplace because its unaffordable, still not able to break the LPC spell no matter how hard I try. And its funny cause she complains about tons of stuff that has become so blatantly ridiculous and she acknowledges the LPC caused it, but she still thinks the CPC are the antichrist or something.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 18 '26
As the saying goes. I don’t debate for the person I am debating I debate for the people who are watching and listening. I have been able to convince some people but not that many I admit. Generally what I do now is try to get people who want to become PAL holders help them to get there pals. As the way I see it the more PAL holders the better.
See that is painful to me and the most boomer minded thing “Okay so you know the liberals are bad but you think the conservatives are worse… Have you tried voting for anybody else then?” Which so many times I hear the argument “You are throwing your vote away by doing that.” But if you hate both parties then I would say it’s not throwing your vote away as if I could only pick between two parties I wouldn’t even vote. If I did it would be a spoiled ballet.
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u/WeightedDips95 May 19 '26
I think I kinda get what youre saying but youre validating a deluded and destructive worldview that the LPC is like the imperfect good and the CPC is the antichrist. This belief is what has taken Canada into the abyss.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 19 '26
Sure but if someone is calling one party the anti christ good luck getting them to vote for that party.
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u/WeightedDips95 May 19 '26
Well if everyone around them indulges their ignorance than no wonder they believe it. In any case, CPC is literally the only sane option with a chance of winning. Its not like convincing them to vote NDP is a win, unless youre being sneaky and want them to split the vote.
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u/FunkyFrunkle May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
I could always be wrong, but I don’t think we’re staring at any more gun bans in the near future. Parliament is about to break for summer, and this whole thing is a mess. A mess that’s headed to the Supreme Court.
I expect them to make announcements on things that are actively gripping public attention which orbits around the economy because so far that’s where the most positive press is coming from for the government, with “trade deals” and expediting reviews for national projects.
Gun bans don’t offer that release valve anymore, and they haven’t for a while because nobody cares anymore. This whole thing is ballooning in cost to the point where even the media doesn’t even fluff it anymore.
I’m not really expecting anything to get announced.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 18 '26
They got 20 more days to announce something (unless they choose to do it durning the weekend for some reason.) That’s not much time. The Supreme Court case and the fact they will need to deal with the October gun bans doesn’t help matters either. As chances are they would have to extend the gun ban again if they added more guns to the ban list. Overall maybe after the SC course ruling if they rule in favour of the CCFR they introduce legislation sometime in 2027. Which here’s a trip down memory lane. It took with a majority government mind you to pass Bill C-71 14 months to get from the house to the senate to be done. The government has 41 months left of sitting time before the next federal election…
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u/FunkyFrunkle May 19 '26
They have 20 days to announce it, and when they return in September, they have until the 30th of the following month to do something to prevent an injunction if they don’t extend the amnesty.
They’re in a rush to collect and destroy as much as they can to try and make the injunction pointless, but we’ll see how it plays out.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 19 '26
Fair enough. They are running out of time though. Which is why I don’t think they will be adding anything else to the ban list until October 30th passes.
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u/Goliad1990 May 19 '26
I could always be wrong, but I don’t think we’re staring at any more gun bans in the near future
The Makasi and Carmel are 100% getting the banhammer in the near future, that's not in question.
But Wendy Cukier, in that interview with TVO that people are rage-sharing, did say that she thinks the laws are fine now when asked about what should come next. If the anti-gun lobbyists are now shifting from "we need new laws" to "the laws are now good and we need to focus on enforcement", then yeah, I agree we probably won't see anything large-scale anytime soon.
Gun bans don’t offer that release valve anymore, and they haven’t for a while because nobody cares anymore.
I think it's a bit beyond "nobody cares". They've made such a fuckup of the confiscation program, and caught so much controversy for it, that they're probably going to be actively avoiding gun control as a wedge issue for the forseeable future. Gary did say as much in his leaked tape.
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u/FunkyFrunkle May 19 '26
Yeah, I forgot to add the caveat that anything new that’s semi-auto cope guns are probably going to get banned. If not by OIC, I’d expect it to be captured by the new legislation aimed at streamlining the Firearms Act or FRT update.
This whole thing has gone from political showboating to an actively corrosive policy that has compounded into a biblical logistical and legal nightmare that has been opposed by nearly every province and territory save for two. Combined with massive deficits and infrastructure projects that command more money, I really believe that the appetite for more gun control has evaporated, and the focus has shifted to trying to get this thing off the books.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 19 '26
I did find that part of the interview interesting when Wendy Cukier didn't demand anymore gun bans. Idk if that was her just saying 'the right thing' for the camera or if some segments of the anti gun movement in Canada are realizing that laws are useless when you have no meaningful way to enforce them. You can make every paper law you want but if you are not capable of enforcing then in a meaningful capacity they are useless.
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u/FunkyFrunkle May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
I think it’s them not wanting to rock the boat anymore and risk pushing the whole project over the edge. This whole thing is being met with unprecedented resistance on almost every level, and the program is objectively closer to complete and total collapse than it is to a measurable success.
I’m not defending the guy, and I know people here are sick of hearing it, but the objective truth is Carney has shown very little enthusiasm for the program, and has even breezed past it entirely when directly asked about violent crime. That is completely intentional. He’s actively trying to distance himself from the program and the gun control groups have noticed. It’s causing them a whole lot of heartburn and anxiety.
Just look at MP Provost during the last media briefing. Look at what she was saying and her body language. She was begging for people to rat out friends and family. She shoved the minister out of the way, she was visibly anxious and rattled. That’s not what confidence looks like. That’s what it looks like when your program is collapsing in slow-motion and you haven’t been given assurances behind closed doors.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some internal friction between the gun control groups and government. This whole mess is going to the Supreme Court because of how the gun control groups demanded these bans be imposed. Now the government stands a very real chance of having their executive power severely weakened, depending on the Supreme Court ruling which is effectively a coin toss.
Current political and economic conditions aren’t very conducive for a multi-billion dollar gun ban and if they keep pushing for more, they risk dragging the whole program beneath the waves and drowning it entirely. They largely got what they wanted, asking for more will threaten this program, not benefit it. All it takes is for some popular social programs to be cut while the gun ban remains unscathed for people to start asking pointed questions, which we’ve seen already.
I don’t think people really understand how badly this program is going because we’ve become so withdrawn.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 19 '26
I think this is to go and show the sheer hubris of the anti gun community. Instead of waiting for the first OIC to be done they demanded more. Now it’s become a absolute mess for a project to deal with just by the sheer volume.
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u/HappyCan7250 May 20 '26
It's funny how a couple floor crossers and the media talks about it forever and questions the CPC, but liberal MPs quitting like crazy and the media asks no questions. All these special appointments, are obviously because the MPs wanted to quit, and potentially a bit of bribing to there is no "whistleblowing" on the inner workings of the LPC. There is obvious discontent in the LPC currently. I love it.
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u/Zealousideal-Hat5814 May 11 '26
Castle Law debate, GO!
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u/2feetandathrowaway May 11 '26
What's there to debate? Anyone who enters your home uninvited should be considered a threat
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u/gamercast1337 May 11 '26
Tch, valuing your valuables and your families lives over the lives of people who wouldnt hesitate to kill you to take your stuff and do heinous things to your family members? Evil racist maple maga chud!
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u/Zealousideal-Hat5814 May 11 '26
The fact we are being voted down without a real point made here, speaks volumes
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u/HoneyGlazedSlut May 11 '26
Part of that is due to the fact you can't hear sarcasm through words on a screen.
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u/WeightedDips95 May 11 '26
We're not the US, and we aren't in the wild west. We know more guns = more violence. It's nothing more than a toxic individualist- maple MAGA american-style fantasy. Just call the police like a normal person, and leave your valuables on the front porch. We dont even need to get into the humanitarian aspect that what amounts to an extra-judicial murder would disproportionately impact BIPOC people and people experiencing poverty. Public health experts agree.
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u/Brapika May 11 '26
Studies suggest leaving your keys at the door and lubing up your bum is the safest course of action.
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u/Zealousideal-Hat5814 May 11 '26
Why is this always landing on the “we are not the USA” argument. Yes buddy we got it. Canadian gun owners are some of the most law abiding citizens you’ll ever meet. The argument is that one should be able to defend yourself in your own home.
It’s such a dumb boomer argument. Like if the US tomorrow decrees that they’ll provide free healthcare to everyone, then we here in Canada will abolish publicly funded healthcare?!
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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 May 12 '26
Like if the US tomorrow decrees that they’ll provide free healthcare to everyone, then we here in Canada will abolish publicly funded healthcare?!
Firstly, American politicians just love corporate exploitation of the people, they don't particularly care about what happens. But if they did, if they actually changed things, then yeah. You and I both know Canadians would suddenly be in favor of private healthcare out of spite.
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u/Zealousideal-Hat5814 May 13 '26
I’m with you lol, but are you assuming Carney, Ford, and our politicians aren’t the same ? Lol
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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 May 13 '26
Oh you are absolutely correct. Ford is already handing over Ontario Healthcare to AI.
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u/gamercast1337 May 11 '26
Note the person who says this lives in either a gated community/upper income area and will cross the street if they even come up on somebody who looks homeless. They also try to represent the working class but feel nothing but disgust when actually interacting with them
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u/FireteamOrcale May 22 '26
Do you think the announcement of the Alberta referendum and the sudden “care” that Carney has for Alberta could have them scrap the buyback or increase the amnesty period? Since the gun grab is one top causes for the separation among other issues I would like to hear your thoughts.
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u/rastamasta45 May 22 '26 edited May 22 '26
It’s definitely possible, Smith hasn’t dropped it once, she brings it up hand in hand every time they talk about the referendum. I mean Gary confirmed it in the recording, they’re sending us to jail because Quebec wants it, so why remain in Canada for the bidding of Quebec.
While libtards reversing guns laws is hard to believe, Alberta being cool with criminalization of their guns is also impossible to believe, someone is going to have to back down, it’s pointing to Ottawa!
Side note, I found it hilarious how people shit on Alberta for this and especially Eby, yet we’re all ignoring the simple fact that Quebec is as power as they due to their own referendum.
So fuck off with calling Albertans stupid for this, wanna be mad, be mad at Quebec for starting it
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u/InitialAd4125 May 22 '26
I long for the day Quebec gets kicked out of Canada and returned to France.
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u/boozefiend3000 May 22 '26
I doubt it. Gun control is a huge corner stone of the liberal party. If carney was gonna help us out he would’ve done so by now. Guys been PM for over a year and just keeps doubling down on this bullshit
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 23 '26
I mean this would be the perfect out. "To get Alberta to calm down we had to unban these guns. It sucks but it was what needed to be done." It's the best way to put the 'blame' on someone else. Like yes Carney has had other outs but nothing quite as big as this.
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u/boozefiend3000 May 24 '26
Ah, dunno. Polls are showing a majority would vote to stay in Canada in a referendum. Alberta federally doesn’t vote liberal, Quebec does. And Quebec loves gun control. Can’t see the liberals pissing off their base for a province that doesn’t support them and most likely isn’t leaving the country
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u/Office_Responsible May 23 '26
No I don’t think so. This program is going to go through unless the Supreme Court does something. They have doubled down repeatedly, admitting they were wrong is not going to happen. Alberta will get some concessions perhaps but nothing on the gun file I predict.
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u/gamercast1337 May 23 '26
I doubt it but with it being what, 2 billion now, fuckall to show for it in the middle of a cost of living crisis and needing to have the courts shut down a (perfectly legal) separatist vote because it was getting too popular may signal something. Maybe. Probably not, especially since Carney may be losing his majority due to him bleeding MPs (despite no one criticising the liberals the way they criticize the cons) he will need to hold on to the poly lady.
Fuck it idk at this point all I want is for boomers to suffer and lose everything they felt worthy of pulling up the ladder for. And realistically whatever party lets this happen is the one im voting for.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 23 '26
He hasn't lost any MP's though as of yet. Yes he's pissed off MP's but the way I see it is that either a lot of MP's are going to leave at once or they will all grumble through it. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-mp-react-alberta-deal-carney-9.7208157 . This I think is the biggest thing Carney has to worry about. Not so much guns but environmentalism. If I was those 14 Mps with there biggest issues being environmentalism I would straight up get the fellow signers together and say "Look somethings got to change. Either you do or we are and that majority you got will be awfully short lived." Now where would they go you may ask? Well that's easy. The Green Party. Now you might be saying "Well that's political insanity to do that." Well is it? The NDP does not take floor crossers. The Bloc does but they got 22 members already. Sure getting 14 members would be big for them but they would largely be out numbered. Going to the Green party and they instantly gain a insane amount of power and the party leader owes them big. They would by doing that give the Green party official party status and give them a meaningful voice. Because if your biggest issue is environmentalism then the Green party is the place to go. Now if those 14 people had spine that’s what they would do.
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u/RydNightwish May 23 '26
I wanna see this happen only so that all those carney cucks, with a short lived majority, can suddenly turn around and gaslight us all as to how floor crossing is bad. Cus weeks ago they were all about you vote for the MP not the party, Pierre is chasing away his own MPs yada yada.
Genuinely a cold beer or two and reading those commenters now rabidly against floor crossing would be such a pleasant night.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 23 '26
It would be interesting to see those who simp for Carney react to losing the majority from floor crossing ngl.
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u/CenturionV May 23 '26
Maybe but not after they collect and destroy a bunch of firearms with a big glowing photo op and video. They need to get that "win" under their belt to justify the expense, program is too far along to back out completely now. Might get scrapped after though with like a permanent no-use amnesty and/or a vague promise of a future second round of buyback which they will just never move on.
And make no mistake even if they have already decided as of today to give up after the current round of buyback is finished they won't tell anyone until the day the amnesty expires, they want the maximum amount of people to get scared and chop up their guns or turn them in without compensation to the cops. Every gun we lose and every person they intimidate into begging the police to take their guns and destroy in the last weeks before the amnesty ends will be a win to these people.
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u/RydNightwish May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
Your probably right on an 11th hour amnesty extension if they dont just drop the whole thing. Same for how they will inevitably spin it to win it (in thier tiny minds)
Though, Im not gonna lie, even though nobody is chopping up anything in my house but 6 and before long 7 years of this and sunk cost does drive a person to just not be enthused anymore. Im tryin to get motivated to play with the spencer or pistols again but its not easy fr.
Mostly unrelated, but for anyone curious, I found the redline on the main canada sub. Call out toronto types for how they talk about albertans in general and catch a seven day ban. Place is indeed the koolaid pool.
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u/HappyCan7250 May 25 '26
Honestly man, I get how it can be disappointing, but get out and shoot as much as you can. The remaining shops need the support (of us buying ammo), and I have thoroughly been enjoying my bolt guns lately too. It can be actually really fun going out at 100yd and trying to shoot the tiniest groups possible.
I also honestly find my bolt guns to be more fun sometimes, the manual action can be more engaging in some ways. I probably take my bolt guns out more than my semi autos these days.
But, I'm still stoked for the Mk15 I've got coming.
Point is, don't let the Liberals take the fun out of a great sport and hobby. Just find other ways to enjoy it. Trap and skeet are still a lot of fun too. Trying to keep a bit of optimism, and I still go try to poke tiny close holes in paper every weekend.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 May 21 '26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW0CTnx5QXo&t=2s Bit of a yap but pretty informative video if you ever want to drop a link down on a anti gunner clown.
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u/Expert_Caregiver6220 May 13 '26
So, who imported the Carmel? It is showing up on the frt page 49084 !. https://rcmp.ca/sites/default/files/dam/frt-0504.pdf
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u/Inakurat May 11 '26
Where is the class action against the CFP/RCMP and contractors over the 2021 data breach that exposed the personal information of Canadian firearms licence holders?