r/canadaguns • u/Revolutionary-Owl576 • Jul 28 '26
Shooting Pure freedomđşđ¸ Trip to the usa
Honey badger 300Blackout suppressed
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u/Lumindan Jul 28 '26
Suppression should just be treated as PPE. Ice cold take but god I hate how some of our systems are built on Hollywood (nunchuks and ninja stars are still off the table lmao)
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u/FD4L Jul 28 '26
nunchuks and ninja stars are still off the table
Well, thats why you don't hear of any ninja assassinations. The system must be working! đ¤Ł
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u/candidcreator Jul 28 '26
The Carney Shogunate must ban such items to ensure peace and order among the domain
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u/Cre_AK47 Name Prohibited by OIC Jul 29 '26
I hate how some of our systems are built on Hollywood
I would argue at least when it comes to non firearms, most of the bans seem to be motivated by racism. No coincidence to me as to why most non firearm weapons banned are of Asian origin...
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u/coniferslav Jul 28 '26
Man, everytime I go back to my buddies in Michigan its always a blast. I got a few things of mine there that I keep at his place that would make Poly piss their pampers.
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u/bonana800 Jul 28 '26
imagine being permitted by our gracious overlords to own and use a quiet gun.
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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 29 '26 edited Aug 01 '26
The sad part is that prior to May 1st, 2020.....Canadian gun owners could pretty much own and use like 90% of what Americans currently have.
Now we've been reduced to essentially fudd guns, the SKS and Turkish slop guns.
However, I'm hopeful of the CCFR's Supreme Court case. Everyone needs to join the CCFR and/or donate because this is our only chance of going back to something pre May 1st, 2020.
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u/Cager_CA Jul 29 '26
Brother weâre never going back to that. Â The Supreme Court case wouldâve had a chance if it was still being done under a Trudeau minority gov but a Carney majority can just pass a bill if the OIC goes awayÂ
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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 30 '26
Yea but it's barely a majority government atm and passing a new gun control bill with a razor thin margin is harder to do now considering how much political capital that would take. I would argue it was easier to pass all of Trudeau's gun control policies because he either had a strong majority or later on he still effectively had a majority government when the Liberal/NDP coalition was in place.
I know it may sound like copium but I think the Liberals might have squeezed out the gun control issue of all it's juices.
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u/JurboVolvo Jul 28 '26
đ you know pure freedom except a few things.
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u/The_King_of_Canada mb Jul 28 '26
Lol yep. They sacrificed other rights and suffer a lot of crime for their guns.
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u/TopReach1866 Jul 29 '26
I mean the US government has been trying to undo the constitution for decades, and it's been proven time and time again that there's usually a CIA or FBI informant not too far away from the biggest mass shootings. Similar phenomenon up here with the RCMP.
Swiss have a similar gun culture but no intelligence agencies actively profiling crisis actors and radicalizing them the way we do in North America
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u/RagingY3ti Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
What other rights have been sacrificed that Canadians have?
The right to defend yourself from individuals and the government is fundamental, without those, you have nothing.
Edit: love the downvotes, keep em coming elbozos
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u/julienjj Jul 29 '26
''Qualified immunity'' of cops is a mega right infringement in the states that many are just glossing over.
They're pretty bad with civil forfeitures in some states as well.
Given the current states of affairs, I think we don't need too much more to be a way better place overall.
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u/TheSpagheeter Jul 29 '26
Also that nurse who legally owned a firearm and was within his 2nd amendment rights to have it at a protest getting gun downed by police without ever reaching for it and then having the president and director of homeland security come out and say he deserved it with no repercussions to the police.
I donât think their rights are as inalienable as they think they are
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u/JurboVolvo Jul 29 '26
Seen videos recently of a woman being arrested because a cop saw someone steal a package and he followed the wrong person on Flock camerasâŚ
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u/JurboVolvo Jul 29 '26
Yes defend yourself from the government đ name 1x that has ever been successful. Not to mention the National Guard being deployed in every major cities based on how they voted. And ICE roaming around harassing citizens arresting people at random. The adoption of the Chinese style surveillance state using AI.
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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 29 '26
The Taliban was able to defeat the most advanced military in history without a navy, an air force or drones using mostly Soviet weaponry and IEDs.
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u/NiagaraBTC Jul 29 '26
name 1x that has ever been successful
Bundy Ranch standoff.
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u/JurboVolvo Jul 29 '26
Why Critics Reject That Characterization
Legal experts, law enforcement officials, and land management agencies view the incident very differently:No Legal "Right" Was Established: Federal agents withdrew not because pointing firearms at law enforcement was ruled legal, but as a deliberate de-escalation tactic to avoid a mass-casualty event like the 1990s standoffs at Ruby Ridge or Waco.
The Bundy Ranch standoff stands as a clear example of armed citizens using force to compel federal agents to stand down on the ground. However, its legal victory was the result of a botched prosecution rather than a judicial ruling that armed resistance to court orders is legally protected.
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u/NiagaraBTC Jul 29 '26
So it worked but the government doesn't want to admit that it worked.
Thanks for your contribution.
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u/HatchingCougar Jul 29 '26
1776?
Individually itâs pretty hopeless to defend against the govt (and nearly so for even hiding from it).
That said, collectively if there was a big enough event & was something which united large swaths against the govt ⌠itâd be pretty hopeless for the govt.  Even the US military would get overwhelmed if the percent of the population was big enough.
What would really impede the success of an  (armed) revolt isnât govt firepower, but its  surveillance apparatus.  Itâll get stopped before it hits critical mass.
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u/JurboVolvo Jul 29 '26
1776 the American Revolution, the men who revolted were among the wealthiest and most comfortable people in the colonies. What kind of revolution was it, anyway? Was it really to secure freedom, democracy, for all Americans?
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u/HatchingCougar Jul 29 '26
 What kind of revolution was it, anyway? Was it really to secure freedom, democracy, for all Americans?
Thatâs not relevant to the question at hand. Â Only that it happened is.
Lexington & Concord wasnât done by the âwealthiest and most comfortableâ đ
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u/julienjj Jul 29 '26
There is a huge percent of the american population that is more than big enought.
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u/sycoseven Jul 29 '26
They have the highest incarcerated population in the world. Literally the opposite of freedom. Oh and cops kill people frequently with impunity. Sounds very free. I think they're arresting people for anti Israel social media posts now too.
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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 29 '26
Oh man I sure love having the freedom to ask daddy government permission so that I can buy a gun. I also love having the freedom to pay taxes to fund police departments while they get on TV to tell me to leave your car keys by the front door with a plate of milk and cookies so that the burglars can steal my car easier.
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u/sycoseven Jul 29 '26
I agree the police are trash and take up way too many of our tax dollars. Huge waste of taxpayer money. If they were a private business they would have been fired long ago. Expenses go up every year but their results are worse and worse.
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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 30 '26
The issue is not the police nor police funding/hiring more police, etc. They generally do a good job at catching criminals or seizing guns, drugs, etc. They have to do a job even when it's saying stupid shit during town halls with the public.
The real problem is the criminal courts that keep letting out repeat offending criminals on bail. A lot of these courts also get their direction from the federal government through all the most recent criminal justice bills.
I saw a stat that in Regina, SK, one guy is responsible for like 40% of the city's crime. One cop friend of mine said that he arrested a guy one night for whatever crime and then the same guy saw him at a Tim Horton's the next morning and said "Hi, officer, you arrested me last night....well see ya later."
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u/sycoseven Jul 30 '26
The police don't do a good job at stopping crime and when they use excessive force, their union protects them and the average citizen has no recourse. And to top it all off they often take up the biggest chunk in city budgets. What a waste. Catch and release justice system is terrible as well. Both can be true.
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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
What do you know about stopping crime Batman? You call 911 for a reason. Society cannot function without law enforcement.
The catch and release issue is the biggest problem in Canada at the moment when it comes to crime not fucking over policing.
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u/sycoseven Jul 30 '26
Maybe you need lots of authoritarian police to make you feel safe, but I don't. That makes me feel less safe and wastes tax dollars. Winnipeg police spent over a quarter million dollars on a robot dog in 2021. It's been deployed once since then. And they refuse to buy body cams because of the cost. It's a joke with no accountability in spending or conduct.
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u/RGundy17 Jul 30 '26
Yeah, good thing the government isnât at all involved in gun purchases in the US, right?
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u/Eazy-Eid Jul 29 '26
They have the highest incarcerated population in the world.
Better than our system where 80x repeat offenders are released to victimize more people
Oh and cops kill people frequently with impunity.
No they don't. While too high it's still exceedingly rare
I think they're arresting people for anti Israel social media posts now too.
No they aren't and the US has far stronger free speech protections than Canada
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u/julienjj Jul 29 '26
The free speech protection in the US goes so far to the point where hate speech is protected. It's not the win it seems to be.
The most tolerant society must be intolerant of intolerance, as funny as it sounds.
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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 29 '26
Yea how's that working out over here bud? We literally have multiple religious conflicts playing out on our streets even though we have anti-hate speech laws on the books.
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u/RGundy17 Jul 30 '26
LMAO where in Canada do you live that âmultiple religious conflicts (are) playing out on our streetsâ?
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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 30 '26
Multiple Jewish businesses and synagogues in Toronto being vandalized/attacked in the past couple of years is an example. Multiple Catholic churches were vandalized and/or lit on fire in the past 5 years including one that I used to attend. Also, there were literal sword fights in Brampton last year between Hindu nationalists and Sikh Khalistani separatists.
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u/BilboBaggSkin Jul 28 '26
Yeah. Wonât deny the US has its issues but they have more rights than we do.
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u/The_King_of_Canada mb Jul 29 '26
No. They do not. They have little to no privacy rights. Cops act with impunity while we hold them accountable to civilian comitties. And now their bodily autonomy is in flux.
What rights do you think they have that we dont?
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u/BilboBaggSkin Jul 29 '26
Freedom of speech and property. Honestly inalienable rights in general. Our cops also act with impunity. Looking up ârcmp Mr big operationâ they can legally entrap you.
Section 1 of the charter
"The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."
Iâm not one of those doomers that loves America and hates Canada but people really need to get there head out of their ass and acknowledge our shortcomings.
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u/The_King_of_Canada mb Jul 29 '26
We have freedom and expression which encompases more than mere speech and property rights.
We have mandatory citizen reviews for any police involved shooting and they are not toothless. We hold our cops a lot more accountable than they do in the states.
Mr. Big operations have been terminated from standard practice and cops get in a lot of shit for them which usually ends up with charges being dropped. There was one in recent history that was used to get a confession that the judge allowed to be kept in due to the severity of the crime. And technically it's illicitning a confession not entrapment. Entrapment is when a cop tells you to go commit a crime.
Our inalienable rights to life, liberty, and security of person. As per section 7 of the charter. Ever country has limits to their rights, thats the whole reason prisons are allowed to exist.
We absolutley have our shortcomings but to say we're less free is just lies.
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u/greeenappleee Jul 29 '26
If by right to own guys you mean right to purchase them and use them sure but when the government can execute you with impunity because you have a gun near you then do you really have the right to firearms? How many shooting have there been now where the cop kills someone because they had a gun they werent even touching and the cop gets off as if they were justified.
Also Yemen has even more unrestricted legal access to firearms than the US, guess they are actually the most free country if thats your only metric. Freedom has more aspects than access to guns.
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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 29 '26
"unrestricted legal access"......brother Yemen is a failed state with no functioning government or economy.
Better examples to use should be countries like Switzerland and Poland. They have high rates of firearm ownership and have low crime rates.
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u/JurboVolvo Jul 29 '26
Those countries also have significant social services but here because of America we call anything for the good of society instead of for profit communism⌠they have low crime because they take care of their citizens.
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u/RGundy17 Jul 30 '26
Yemen has a functioning government. If they didnât, Saudi, UAE, and the US wouldnât be targeting them relentlessly
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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
Yemen literally is in a state of civil war and has not had a functioning government in like over 12 years. You have no idea of what you're taking about.
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u/RGundy17 Jul 30 '26
So according to you, during the US Civil War, there was no functioning state on American territory?
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u/classicfroger420 Jul 29 '26
So because cops have qualified immunity and abuse their power, civilians should just disarm and wait to die? That's some serious Stockholm syndrome logic. âFor an individual, a gun is simply the absolute baseline tool for self defense. And comparing a literal failed state like Yemen to the legal right to self-defense in a functioning society is completely absurd.
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u/greeenappleee Jul 29 '26
You referred to a lot of what I said in my comment yet didnt seem to understand anything I said because everything you have said is a misinterpretation.
Point 1 was in reference to the commenter I replied to saying gun rights in the us give you the ability to protect yourself from the government. My counter argument was that if the government can kill you for owning a gun with impunity, you dont actually have a right to own a gun if that rights is abused to justify tyranny. I didnt say that they should give up their guns, just that the American "right" to own guns so they can protect themselves from the government is deeply flawed when the government uses the presence of that right as a justification for abuse of power and expansion of the governments domestic spying and violence capabilities.
Point 2 was in response to many people in the thread including the commenter I replied to with the view that because America has more gun rights, they are freer than other countries. My point was that guns dont equal freedom and having such a narrow view of freedom is flawed which is why I used Yemen as an example since they have more gun rights than America but clearly arent as free. The example counters the more guns means more free viewpoint. It wasn't saying that having the right to self defense is bad, its saying that there's a lot more to freedom than simply access to firearms. We have many freedoms we take for granted here in canada that people would give up a lot for despite all the comments saying canada is a shithole due to having shitty gun laws.
Maybe work on that reading comprehension.
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u/greeenappleee Jul 29 '26
Again you somehow didnt understand anything I said because your summary of my argument is based on misunderstanding it.
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u/Velosity79 Jul 28 '26
The elbows up clowns we have to deal with in Canada is embarrassingâŚthe firearm community (of all places) is infested with them.
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u/The_King_of_Canada mb Jul 29 '26
Through the patriot act they lost their right to privacy.
Through not having citizen review panels their cops act with near impunity.
Their cops can seize any large amount of money that they think is generated from crime and the money existing is evidence enough for them to seize it.
Their second ammenement is a redundant joke. You're telling me their government gives them the right to defend themselves agaisnt the government? No. It does not. Even if it did you dont permission from the government to overthrow the government.
And we have the right to self defense using reasonable force.
What the 2nd ammendment really does is lower the bar for politicians so low that as long as the masses arent rising up to overthrow them they can do whatever they want.
The entire country has forgone logic and reason and they run the country based on shit identity politics and whatever raises the most outrage.
Theirs is a pseduo freedom.
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u/spicymeatmemes Jul 28 '26
While they have different laws that allow this, depending on who you are, its far from free.
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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 28 '26
In Canada, you can go to jail for burning "certain" flags and denying "certain" historical events that didn't even occur in Canada but sure we are certainly drowning in our freedoms here.
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u/Panjaab1 Jul 28 '26
I recently found out that denying the holocaust was a criminal offence in Canada. Now they are pushing for residential school denialism to be criminalized. I do believe both of these historical events happened just to be clear but no one should be restricted from speaking their opinion no matter how vile.
The state should not play a role in limiting what people say unless it is regarding calls to violence or such things.
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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 29 '26
People need to remember that freedom in Canada doesn't exist and never did. Canada is a country of privileges that can be taken away very easily if the right government and public opinion exist.
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u/coniferslav Jul 28 '26
sure as fuck more free than this dump
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u/coniferslav Jul 28 '26
Ah dang, I pissed off the elbows up crowd it seems lol
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u/Dill_Pickle_Tears Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
My concern with âit sucks here I want to leaveâ is that itâs very anti-patriotic. While I love firearms and this community, I love my actual country - the landscape, culture, and core values - even more than that.
Iâd prefer stay, contribute my productivity and taxes, participate in my civic duty to vote, and ultimately try my best to engage politically to improve this place rather than leave. I also believe thatâs the patriotic thing to do.
More power to you m if you want to leave, especially if youâre not interested in permanent residency or citizenship but I definitely think itâs a bit misguided to leave simply due to the status quo politically. This is especially the case given the current legislative changes being made in the US. Trump isnât exactly pro-2A and many states are actively harming their gun communities much like here (like Virginia, cali, etc). We actually have less restrictions here than some specific states.
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u/TheSpagheeter Jul 29 '26
Thank you man put my feelings into words. People will have 1000 things to be grateful for in this country and then name an obscure incident that doesnât even affect their day to day lives as to why itâs a evil fascist country or something
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u/gimmedatneck Jul 28 '26
Canada is fuckin awesome.
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u/Objective_Estimate21 Jul 28 '26
Depends who you ask. Obviously it's a great country relative to most others. But there's a decline in quality of life for people my age. The good thing is, once we get a government who actually cares about the people, we can be very prosperous. We should be one of the wealthiest nations in the world with all the energy and rare earth minerals we have. They do us no good while they're in the ground tho
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u/Thegiant98 Jul 28 '26
*was fuckin awesome. We need to take our country back and make it awesome again.
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u/coniferslav Jul 28 '26
I get what you're saying but I don't necessarily agree. I've been a Canadian citizen since 2005. Back then it was something to have pride in. And I don't chalk it up to the status quo, considering I've watched and did my so called civic duty of voting just to realise it does nothing it's all an illusion and a joke. At least 3rd world despots admit to it unlike here. I don't care much for Mr.Trump either so don't throw me into that crowd. I'm just a pragmatist if anything.
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u/Dill_Pickle_Tears Jul 28 '26
I can respect your perspective! That said Iâm trying to engage more beyond voting myself, and we definitely need reform since our first past the post system isnât really great IMO (Iâm interested in what a real coalition government could do for us).
That said, voting still matters. And things can change in basically any country you go to so at some point settling down and giving back to wherever you land does have benefit.
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u/classicfroger420 Jul 29 '26 edited Jul 29 '26
Meanwhile, Trump has been the most 2A-friendly president compared with his predecessors. And even in the most restrictive states, people can still access ar15, although with more restrictions.
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u/The_King_of_Canada mb Jul 28 '26
I never understood why patriotism is shit on by people like you. Guns dont equal freedom.
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u/coniferslav Jul 28 '26
I'm loyal to the land, not the the government. Big difference between that.
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u/Panjaab1 Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
Agreed. As a Canadian that was born and raised in this country, I have definitely seen the dwindling of our freedoms, in recent years, especially with recent legislation.
The USA definitely has its fair share of problems but I will never understand dismissing positive aspects of their legal frameworks/society to compensate for the downsides of our state of affairs.
I mean I think as gun owners we have all seen the law turned against us by our own government. If we had legislative framework/charter provisions to prevent this, it wouldâve never happened in the first place.
Edit: to those who are downvoting, is anything I am saying genuinely wrong or incorrect? I donât understand how as Canadian gun owners, on a Canadian gun sub, we have neutered ourselves into thinking our current state of affairs is remotely ok if it means we are morally superior to the US.
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u/coniferslav Jul 28 '26
I've lived in 4 different countries, been a legal gun owner in 3 of them. Im an immigrant to Canada and have watched this country deteriorate first hand. I try to make the best of what I can here like all of us do with guns, but its dishonest to say that we have more freedom than USA or that our situation isnt straight fucked.
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u/greeenappleee Jul 29 '26
Yemen has even more unrestricted legal access to firearms than the US, guess they are actually the most free country if thats your only metric.
Freedom has more aspects than access to guns. We certainly have issues but to pretend that just because we have less access to guns we are worse off is wild.
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u/coniferslav Jul 29 '26
And when the fuck did I say that was my absolute metric? You throw some Islamic 3rd world shithole into the mix as your argument? Talk about disingenuous.
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u/Lord_Space_Lizard Jul 28 '26
The Human Freedom Index disagrees with you that the USA has more freedom than us.
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u/coniferslav Jul 28 '26
Oh sorry, you said Human "Freedom" Index? What governing body came up with that metric and who funds it?
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u/CryingHardly Jul 28 '26
This guy gets it
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u/The_King_of_Canada mb Jul 28 '26
Its an NGO that measures every country on various metrics. This guy gets a lot of propaganda in his socials.
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u/coniferslav Jul 28 '26
I don't do social media. I travel and have a job and education that requires me to travel to foreign lands. You don't even try to one up me there pal.
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u/lolingcats Jul 28 '26
Easy mistake to make, assuming a guy making points contrary to presented evidence is fueled by social media. Guess rephrasing is needed: "Guy thinks his anecdotes are above evidence." That more palatable?Â
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u/coniferslav Jul 28 '26
There will be no middle class soon. I had the same opinion as you 10-15 years ago. Had a job with benefits lined up in Arizona and turned it down to stay here. What a mistake that was.
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u/Panjaab1 Jul 29 '26
Thatâs good and all. I honestly am so thankful for being in a place where I donât have to worry about water quality or air quality too much where other people have to fight for these things. You are definitely right that preserving that environment allows freedom of health and other often more âintangibleâ freedoms for people.
That also doesnât mean we should settle for the governments bullshit in the name of good enough and firearms rights are part of a multifaceted package.
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u/coniferslav Jul 29 '26
I've lived in Arizona, Vietnam and Pakistan. You haven't been humbled enough.
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u/The_King_of_Canada mb Jul 28 '26
Good God no. Go smoke a joint down there and youll see how free they truly are.
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u/Cager_CA Jul 29 '26
The US Constitution doesnât have a Section 1 style amendment like the Charter of Rights and Freedons just fyiÂ
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u/Xaxxus Jul 29 '26
I was just in South Dakota for a wedding. My buddy took me to a gun store there.
Dude at the counter was telling me about all the full autos they have in the basement up for sale. Just gotta get a specific licence to own them.
They also just casually had a used swat breaching shotgun with the vertical pump grip. I wanted to buy that thing so bad.
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u/cubiclejail Jul 29 '26
Ewwww. Who's going to the đşđ¸?
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u/Revolutionary-Owl576 Jul 29 '26
Little elbow up sucker
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u/classicfroger420 Jul 29 '26
The more I read this sub, the more I understand the current situation isn't just the government's fault. You guys deserve it.
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u/Panjaab1 Jul 29 '26
So true. I genuinely feel hopeless when it comes to canadas future if we have people who are willing to give up their own rights/freedoms because this seed has been implanted into their brains that they must be morally superior to the US.
I feel that people here donât understand how important private arms ownership is to freedom of the people. The right to self preservation.
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u/classicfroger420 Jul 29 '26 edited Jul 29 '26
Modern Canadian nationalism is just âweâre better than the Americans.â Thatâs the real reason so many Canadians oppose gun rights. And thatâs why weâre cooked.
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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 29 '26
To be fair the vast majority of people on here aren't a part of the elbozo crowd and got no problem with the US or Americans. Sadly there's enough bots, lib trolls, and elbozo gun owners (yes a few exist) that make it seem like they're very vocal.
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u/classicfroger420 Jul 29 '26
I genuinely wish that were true, but I simply can't ignore those vile arguments.
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u/theborealethos Aug 06 '26
I moved down here, itâs sort of a mix of positives and negatives, at least I can feed a full thirty into my PSA trash rod.
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u/Flashy_Inspector115 Jul 28 '26
Everyone hates on Q but I'll do so much just to own one đđđ
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u/Lumindan Jul 28 '26
I think you can get their bolt action in Canada but it's apparently not very good for the price
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u/Flashy_Inspector115 Jul 28 '26
You can, but their ARs are very nice. I heard inconsistencies between their qc and one of them failing quick after a frt but no way their qc is worse than kd or bcl and we dont have frts here.
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u/Dill_Pickle_Tears Jul 28 '26
Weirdly enough, suppressors were banned in the 50s and can be traced back to before this. It was related to poaching concerns and the concealment of crime (huge pop culture influence).
Itâs a shame it was never reversed.