r/canadaguns • u/Revolutionary-Owl576 • Jul 28 '26

Shooting Pure freedom🇺🇸 Trip to the usa

Honey badger 300Blackout suppressed

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u/JurboVolvo Jul 28 '26

😆 you know pure freedom except a few things.

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u/The_King_of_Canada mb Jul 28 '26

Lol yep. They sacrificed other rights and suffer a lot of crime for their guns.

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u/RagingY3ti Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26

What other rights have been sacrificed that Canadians have?

The right to defend yourself from individuals and the government is fundamental, without those, you have nothing.

Edit: love the downvotes, keep em coming elbozos

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u/julienjj Jul 29 '26

''Qualified immunity'' of cops is a mega right infringement in the states that many are just glossing over.

They're pretty bad with civil forfeitures in some states as well.

Given the current states of affairs, I think we don't need too much more to be a way better place overall.

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u/TheSpagheeter Jul 29 '26

Also that nurse who legally owned a firearm and was within his 2nd amendment rights to have it at a protest getting gun downed by police without ever reaching for it and then having the president and director of homeland security come out and say he deserved it with no repercussions to the police.

I don’t think their rights are as inalienable as they think they are

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u/JurboVolvo Jul 29 '26

Seen videos recently of a woman being arrested because a cop saw someone steal a package and he followed the wrong person on Flock cameras…

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u/JurboVolvo Jul 29 '26

Yes defend yourself from the government 😆 name 1x that has ever been successful. Not to mention the National Guard being deployed in every major cities based on how they voted. And ICE roaming around harassing citizens arresting people at random. The adoption of the Chinese style surveillance state using AI.

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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 29 '26

The Taliban was able to defeat the most advanced military in history without a navy, an air force or drones using mostly Soviet weaponry and IEDs.

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u/NiagaraBTC Jul 29 '26

name 1x that has ever been successful

Bundy Ranch standoff.

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u/JurboVolvo Jul 29 '26

Why Critics Reject That Characterization
Legal experts, law enforcement officials, and land management agencies view the incident very differently:

No Legal "Right" Was Established: Federal agents withdrew not because pointing firearms at law enforcement was ruled legal, but as a deliberate de-escalation tactic to avoid a mass-casualty event like the 1990s standoffs at Ruby Ridge or Waco.

The Bundy Ranch standoff stands as a clear example of armed citizens using force to compel federal agents to stand down on the ground. However, its legal victory was the result of a botched prosecution rather than a judicial ruling that armed resistance to court orders is legally protected.

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u/NiagaraBTC Jul 29 '26

So it worked but the government doesn't want to admit that it worked.

Thanks for your contribution.

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u/JurboVolvo Jul 29 '26

That’s your take away standing down temporarily isn’t a win.

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u/HatchingCougar Jul 29 '26

1776?

Individually it’s pretty hopeless to defend against the govt (and nearly so for even hiding from it).

That said, collectively if there was a big enough event & was something which united large swaths against the govt … it’d be pretty hopeless for the govt.   Even  the US military would get overwhelmed if the percent of the population was big enough.

What would really impede the success of an  (armed) revolt isn’t govt firepower, but its  surveillance apparatus.  It’ll get stopped before it hits critical mass.

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u/JurboVolvo Jul 29 '26

1776 the American Revolution, the men who revolted were among the wealthiest and most comfortable people in the colonies. What kind of revolution was it, anyway? Was it really to secure freedom, democracy, for all Americans?

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u/HatchingCougar Jul 29 '26

  What kind of revolution was it, anyway? Was it really to secure freedom, democracy, for all Americans?

That’s not relevant to the question at hand.  Only that it happened is.

Lexington & Concord wasn’t done by the “wealthiest and most comfortable” 🙄

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u/julienjj Jul 29 '26

There is a huge percent of the american population that is more than big enought.

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u/sycoseven Jul 29 '26

They have the highest incarcerated population in the world. Literally the opposite of freedom. Oh and cops kill people frequently with impunity. Sounds very free. I think they're arresting people for anti Israel social media posts now too.

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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 29 '26

Oh man I sure love having the freedom to ask daddy government permission so that I can buy a gun. I also love having the freedom to pay taxes to fund police departments while they get on TV to tell me to leave your car keys by the front door with a plate of milk and cookies so that the burglars can steal my car easier.

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u/sycoseven Jul 29 '26

I agree the police are trash and take up way too many of our tax dollars. Huge waste of taxpayer money. If they were a private business they would have been fired long ago. Expenses go up every year but their results are worse and worse.

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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 30 '26

The issue is not the police nor police funding/hiring more police, etc. They generally do a good job at catching criminals or seizing guns, drugs, etc. They have to do a job even when it's saying stupid shit during town halls with the public.

The real problem is the criminal courts that keep letting out repeat offending criminals on bail. A lot of these courts also get their direction from the federal government through all the most recent criminal justice bills.

I saw a stat that in Regina, SK, one guy is responsible for like 40% of the city's crime. One cop friend of mine said that he arrested a guy one night for whatever crime and then the same guy saw him at a Tim Horton's the next morning and said "Hi, officer, you arrested me last night....well see ya later."

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u/sycoseven Jul 30 '26

The police don't do a good job at stopping crime and when they use excessive force, their union protects them and the average citizen has no recourse. And to top it all off they often take up the biggest chunk in city budgets. What a waste. Catch and release justice system is terrible as well. Both can be true.

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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

What do you know about stopping crime Batman? You call 911 for a reason. Society cannot function without law enforcement.

The catch and release issue is the biggest problem in Canada at the moment when it comes to crime not fucking over policing.

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u/sycoseven Jul 30 '26

Maybe you need lots of authoritarian police to make you feel safe, but I don't. That makes me feel less safe and wastes tax dollars. Winnipeg police spent over a quarter million dollars on a robot dog in 2021. It's been deployed once since then. And they refuse to buy body cams because of the cost. It's a joke with no accountability in spending or conduct.

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u/RGundy17 Jul 30 '26

Yeah, good thing the government isn’t at all involved in gun purchases in the US, right?

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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 30 '26

You can't buy a gun in the US without doing an FBI background check.

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u/Eazy-Eid Jul 29 '26

They have the highest incarcerated population in the world.

Better than our system where 80x repeat offenders are released to victimize more people

Oh and cops kill people frequently with impunity.

No they don't. While too high it's still exceedingly rare

I think they're arresting people for anti Israel social media posts now too.

No they aren't and the US has far stronger free speech protections than Canada

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u/julienjj Jul 29 '26

The free speech protection in the US goes so far to the point where hate speech is protected. It's not the win it seems to be.

The most tolerant society must be intolerant of intolerance, as funny as it sounds.

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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 29 '26

Yea how's that working out over here bud? We literally have multiple religious conflicts playing out on our streets even though we have anti-hate speech laws on the books.

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u/RGundy17 Jul 30 '26

LMAO where in Canada do you live that “multiple religious conflicts (are) playing out on our streets”?

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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 30 '26

Multiple Jewish businesses and synagogues in Toronto being vandalized/attacked in the past couple of years is an example. Multiple Catholic churches were vandalized and/or lit on fire in the past 5 years including one that I used to attend. Also, there were literal sword fights in Brampton last year between Hindu nationalists and Sikh Khalistani separatists.

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u/BilboBaggSkin Jul 28 '26

Yeah. Won’t deny the US has its issues but they have more rights than we do.

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u/The_King_of_Canada mb Jul 29 '26

No. They do not. They have little to no privacy rights. Cops act with impunity while we hold them accountable to civilian comitties. And now their bodily autonomy is in flux.

What rights do you think they have that we dont?

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u/BilboBaggSkin Jul 29 '26

Freedom of speech and property. Honestly inalienable rights in general. Our cops also act with impunity. Looking up “rcmp Mr big operation” they can legally entrap you.

Section 1 of the charter

"The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

I’m not one of those doomers that loves America and hates Canada but people really need to get there head out of their ass and acknowledge our shortcomings.

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u/The_King_of_Canada mb Jul 29 '26

We have freedom and expression which encompases more than mere speech and property rights.

We have mandatory citizen reviews for any police involved shooting and they are not toothless. We hold our cops a lot more accountable than they do in the states.

Mr. Big operations have been terminated from standard practice and cops get in a lot of shit for them which usually ends up with charges being dropped. There was one in recent history that was used to get a confession that the judge allowed to be kept in due to the severity of the crime. And technically it's illicitning a confession not entrapment. Entrapment is when a cop tells you to go commit a crime.

Our inalienable rights to life, liberty, and security of person. As per section 7 of the charter. Ever country has limits to their rights, thats the whole reason prisons are allowed to exist.

We absolutley have our shortcomings but to say we're less free is just lies.

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u/greeenappleee Jul 29 '26

If by right to own guys you mean right to purchase them and use them sure but when the government can execute you with impunity because you have a gun near you then do you really have the right to firearms? How many shooting have there been now where the cop kills someone because they had a gun they werent even touching and the cop gets off as if they were justified.

Also Yemen has even more unrestricted legal access to firearms than the US, guess they are actually the most free country if thats your only metric. Freedom has more aspects than access to guns.

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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 29 '26

"unrestricted legal access"......brother Yemen is a failed state with no functioning government or economy.

Better examples to use should be countries like Switzerland and Poland. They have high rates of firearm ownership and have low crime rates.

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u/JurboVolvo Jul 29 '26

Those countries also have significant social services but here because of America we call anything for the good of society instead of for profit communism… they have low crime because they take care of their citizens.

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u/RGundy17 Jul 30 '26

Yemen has a functioning government. If they didn’t, Saudi, UAE, and the US wouldn’t be targeting them relentlessly

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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

Yemen literally is in a state of civil war and has not had a functioning government in like over 12 years. You have no idea of what you're taking about.

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u/RGundy17 Jul 30 '26

So according to you, during the US Civil War, there was no functioning state on American territory?

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u/22GageEnthusiast Jul 30 '26

Look at your calendar bud it says 2026 not fuckin 1861.

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u/classicfroger420 Jul 29 '26

So because cops have qualified immunity and abuse their power, civilians should just disarm and wait to die? That's some serious Stockholm syndrome logic. ​For an individual, a gun is simply the absolute baseline tool for self defense. And comparing a literal failed state like Yemen to the legal right to self-defense in a functioning society is completely absurd.

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u/greeenappleee Jul 29 '26

You referred to a lot of what I said in my comment yet didnt seem to understand anything I said because everything you have said is a misinterpretation.

Point 1 was in reference to the commenter I replied to saying gun rights in the us give you the ability to protect yourself from the government. My counter argument was that if the government can kill you for owning a gun with impunity, you dont actually have a right to own a gun if that rights is abused to justify tyranny. I didnt say that they should give up their guns, just that the American "right" to own guns so they can protect themselves from the government is deeply flawed when the government uses the presence of that right as a justification for abuse of power and expansion of the governments domestic spying and violence capabilities.

Point 2 was in response to many people in the thread including the commenter I replied to with the view that because America has more gun rights, they are freer than other countries. My point was that guns dont equal freedom and having such a narrow view of freedom is flawed which is why I used Yemen as an example since they have more gun rights than America but clearly arent as free. The example counters the more guns means more free viewpoint. It wasn't saying that having the right to self defense is bad, its saying that there's a lot more to freedom than simply access to firearms. We have many freedoms we take for granted here in canada that people would give up a lot for despite all the comments saying canada is a shithole due to having shitty gun laws.

Maybe work on that reading comprehension.

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u/greeenappleee Jul 29 '26

Again you somehow didnt understand anything I said because your summary of my argument is based on misunderstanding it.

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u/Velosity79 Jul 28 '26

The elbows up clowns we have to deal with in Canada is embarrassing…the firearm community (of all places) is infested with them.

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u/JurboVolvo Jul 29 '26

Patriots they’re called

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u/The_King_of_Canada mb Jul 29 '26

Through the patriot act they lost their right to privacy.

Through not having citizen review panels their cops act with near impunity.

Their cops can seize any large amount of money that they think is generated from crime and the money existing is evidence enough for them to seize it.

Their second ammenement is a redundant joke. You're telling me their government gives them the right to defend themselves agaisnt the government? No. It does not. Even if it did you dont permission from the government to overthrow the government.

And we have the right to self defense using reasonable force.

What the 2nd ammendment really does is lower the bar for politicians so low that as long as the masses arent rising up to overthrow them they can do whatever they want.

The entire country has forgone logic and reason and they run the country based on shit identity politics and whatever raises the most outrage.

Theirs is a pseduo freedom.

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u/RGundy17 Jul 30 '26

What a Yankuck