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u/EliteDuck 13h ago
My BC Olympic exemption pistol just landed in Canada, as I just got charged taxes by IRG. Looks like the transfers are being approved after all.
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u/floydsmoot 4h ago
GoFundMe set up for rural property owner facing charges after confronting alleged thieves
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u/thealmightybees 4h ago
Gun control groups aren’t interested in the victims. Just looking for other things they can push the Liberals to ban.
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u/FunkyFrunkle 3h ago edited 2h ago
They’re trying to renew public interest because they don’t like the fact that the government has been so quiet about it. Gun control has officially taken a back seat since the start of the trade war.
They’re also starting to get squeamish now that the court date is two months away. They’re trying to push the government to get this done and ban as much as they can before the courts can potentially strike it down.
They were extremely incensed that the government decided to extend the amnesty to 90 days after the Supreme Court renders its decision which means the government is probably going to let it play out. The groups wanted them to march ahead regardless because they don’t care if the government is within its legal boundary to do it. The groups just want their bans while the government and taxpayers deal with the fallout.
They’re not stupid. They know that in the face of annexation threats they’re losing support for the gun ban, so they want this done now.
They’re trying to stop the program from dying a quiet death.
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u/Due-Candidate4384 1h ago
They absolutely are stupid to not see this is already over. I don’t like papa Carney but he’s not the whipped bitch Trudeau was. This ain’t Carney’s project and there’s very little value in it for him. In fact it looks questionable banning guns while also saying we’re gonna get invaded or whatever other lies the “elbows up“ morons believe.
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u/Agonizing-Stroke1812 10m ago
Truly miraculous how one group seemingly single-handedly sets federal gun policy for one of the largest and most wilderness-dense countries. No one who isn't a gun enthusiast has even heard of Poly. I'd love to see what backroom deal is nurturing this relationship between Poly and the LPC. Voters at large don't seem to GAF one way or the other about gun policy.
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u/rastamasta45 7h ago
Holy negativity, this week’s sub started with just defeatism, did I miss something? Whys everyone’s so negative, yall pissed that the spas12 got sold out?
Last I checked everyone still has their guns, buyback is failing miserably (I’m predicting only 30,000 collected by the end). Public safety update their numbers saying “we have collected, destroyed and declared 142,000 guns” notice they are now looping in gun stores, individuals, declarations and collecting now, they can’t even just say one number….thats how bad its failing.
Police forces are still understaffed, illegal gun crimes are exploding.
We still have a pending court battle which contrary to some on here, it does matter and there is hope with it.
So stop buying into the doomerism folks, it’s not helping at all. Plus let’s just say nothing works out….they still can’t collect them and we’ll have our guns forever…
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u/FunkyFrunkle 3h ago
They’re negative because the gun control groups are pushing articles and talking to news outlets in an attempt to drum up support for keeping the program alive and every time it happens, people get rattled.
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u/DoYouGetSarcasm 3h ago
That's how it starts all the time. Half the time i wonder if it's anti gunners trying to make us feel bad and give up.
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u/Unknownuser010203 7h ago
Amen! Every time I enter this sub is just pathetic doomers. There almost as bad as Carney glazers
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u/rastamasta45 7h ago
I swear I thought gun ownership also came with a feeling of independence, self sustaining and the ability to defend one’s self. One thing I honestly respect about Americans is they say fuck you to anyone. Dems, republicans and hippies, they just don’t care.
Here in Canada, even the gun owners are belly up and begging. Pathetic
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u/Unknownuser010203 6h ago
Squeaky wheel gets the oil. Our numbers don't lie. Majority of gun owners have told Ottawa no. Thank God there incompetent authoritarians
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u/boozefiend3000 2d ago
I am not a proud Canadian
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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 1d ago edited 1d ago
I got a kick how infuriated people were in the main Canada sub when I said I hadn't called myself Canadian in years, and I didn't feel like I fit in here. Like yeah, I don't feel welcome. When my interest in firearms apparently makes me a latent criminal in the eyes of government and certain Canadians.
Yes, I don't feel Canadian, and haven't for some time.
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u/Borealbound 1d ago
How much of the Canada sub are paid to post there?
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u/Lumindan 23h ago
Probably a good chunk but what should concern you more is the amount of people that do it for free. They genuinely believe what they're saying. Terrifying no?
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u/InitialAd4125 1d ago
Why would anyone want to be associated with this nation or most nations in fact is amusing considering besides a small handful of nations how many can honestly be considered net positives to the world and there citizens? Certainly not Canada that's for sure based on our history and the current way the state treats us the peons.
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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 1d ago edited 1d ago
Why would anyone want to be associated with this nation or most nations in fact
Keep in mind, I went to university for humanities, of which I only learned the basics, but it was informative. And that education certainly informs my take on this.
I'm a bit of an anarchist, and certainly anti-nationalist, so I really don't understand or support concepts like chauvinism, or exceptionalism. But I do grasp why people want a place to belong. Truthfully, when I see all this Canadian patriotism going around, I grasp why it's happening, but the fact is, this new fervor is actively pushing away the out groups (subcultures, etc) even further.
This is what happens when a society starts leaning to heavily in one direction, in this case, societal collectivism or nationalism. Canada is headed in that direction, just like Japan. Japanese society places a high value on group harmony and social conformity, meaning that behavior disrupting public order or consensus (or in Canada's case, peace and politness) is often discouraged.
Which is fine if you fit in but...
On the other hand, the US leans in the opposite direction, hyper individualism, with, what I judge, to be poor results. (An unpopular take on this sub no doubt).
Society is a balance. Not one thing or the other. When society begins focusing on one thing to the exclusion of others, that's a failure of society.
Our society doesn't like like it's interested in maintaining balance anymore.
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u/InitialAd4125 1d ago
"Canada is headed in that direction, just like Japan. Japanese society places a high value on group harmony and social conformity, meaning that behavior disrupting public order or consensus (or in Canada's case, peace and politness) is often discouraged."
Frankly I'm not all that big a fan of Japan America did a shit job rebuilding it. Could have made it like Switzerland but nope they wanted a good little puppet.
"The US leans in the opposite direction, hyper individualism, with, what I judge, to be poor results. (An unpopular on this sub no doubt)."
Eh it's not entirely wrong but that's kind of what they claim not always the reality after all the consider "corporations" people to an absurd degree. Because it's hyper individualisms hard bullshit everyone for themselves for the peons bailouts for the rich and companies.
"Our society doesn't like like it's interested in maintaining balance anymore."
Did it ever though? Like looking at Canada's history it's just a state stomping on certain out groups of people anytime they questioned why things were this way.
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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 1d ago
Could have made it like Switzerland but nope they wanted a good little puppet.
Arguably, they've already done that to us. 50% of Canada's economy is owned by Americans according to StatsCan.
Eh it's not entirely wrong but that's kind of what they claim not always the reality after all the consider "corporations" people to an absurd degree.
You can thank Ronald Reagan for that. Guy paved the way for oligarchs.
Because it's hyper individualisms hard bullshit everyone for themselves for the peons bailouts for the rich and companies.
Well, that's just it isn't it? Hyper individualism thrives on peons.
Did it ever though? Like looking at Canada's history it's just a state stomping on certain out groups of people anytime they questioned why things were this way.
Yeah, that's true. It's just that I remember a time where cooperation and understanding were expressed as Canadian values, and actually practiced. But that could be me putting on rose tinted glass and looking through the foggy mirror of time.
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u/InitialAd4125 1d ago
"You can thank Ronald Reagan for that. Guy paved the way for oligarchs."
Also a big reason why California has worse gun laws then most of America because of the Black Panthers.
"Yeah, that's true. It's just that I remember a time where cooperation and understanding were expressed as Canadian values, and actually practiced. But that could be me putting on rose tinted glass and looking through the foggy mirror of time."
Sadly I think those are rose tinted like what time would you say this was. Certainly not when being gay was illegal. Or certain groups of people were being put into camps so arguably no time before World War 2. And anything before 1969 if you were gay I'd say there was certainly a lack of understanding. And if you're Indigenous well shit man I can't think of a time ever in Canadian history. Like maybe certain communities in Canada had these values but the nation and the nation state? Not so much.
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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 1d ago
Also a big reason why California has worse gun laws then most of America because of the Black Panthers.
I can't tell you how many American gun guys melt down when I mention that.
Sadly I think those are rose tinted like what time would you say this was. Certainly not when being gay was illegal. Or certain groups of people were being put into camps so arguably no time before World War 2. And anything before 1969 if you were gay I'd say there was certainly a lack of understanding. And if you're Indigenous well shit man I can't think of a time ever in Canadian history. Like maybe certain communities in Canada had these values but the nation and the nation state? Not so much.
My rose tinted glasses were taking me back to the 2000s (more specifically, 2000-2011) but now I that I think about it, you're right. It was bad back then too.
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u/InitialAd4125 1d ago
"(more specifically, 2000-2011)"
I don't know that entire time when I think of it I think of the 2008 financial crisis.
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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 1d ago edited 1d ago
Maybe it's because of where I lived? Granted, I was only in my late teens in 2008 so...
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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down 18h ago
Canada is headed in that direction, just like Japan.
No, it isn't.
Canada's problem is that it's Toronto/Ottawa/Montreal (and Vancouver) vs. the rest of the country. This has been true since about 1867.
The US has checks in its government systems against this. We do not. Witness the results.
I don't share a culture with these people (even the word "Canadian" is manufacturing their consensus), and there's no reason they should be making law for me.
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u/Borealbound 1d ago
I have been a Western Secessionist since the Chretien years.
No I do not favour American annexation, despite having lived in the US for years. I favour utilizing Saskatchewan’s uranium deposits as a deterrent.
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u/Hot-Layer-7624 1d ago
Being ashamed of your nation because of its bad government is a losing mentality. They want you to be ashamed of your heritage. Don’t. Heritage Canadians largely aren’t the people voting for this insanity anyway
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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down 18h ago
Heritage Canadians largely aren’t the people voting for this insanity anyway
Yes they are: it's 65+ vs. everyone else, don't kid yourself.
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u/Hot-Layer-7624 15h ago
No they aren’t, look at the ethnicity statistics from the last election, it was just about a bigger predictor than age
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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down 13h ago
it was just about a bigger predictor
...meaning that no, it's not actually as big.
Heritage Canadians also voted to import them in the first place.
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u/Hot-Layer-7624 1h ago
Mind you, a large chunk of boomers were brought here via the family reunification program. It stands regardless that if only white and native people voted it would have been a conservative supermajority. Just move to the states if you hate your country so much, but I promise they’ll be in the same position as us in a few years
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u/mangobludden 6h ago
I still am, however this government and it's system must be abolished by whatever means necessary in order for this country to start becoming great again.
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u/c20710 2d ago
I’d sell my citizenship for one timbit and then toss the timbit in Lake America on the way out.
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u/boozefiend3000 2d ago
I should’ve paid attention in French class lol could probably move to Switzerland
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u/Natural_Comparison21 1d ago
Switzerland is hard to move to. Finland on the other hand is easierish. Albeit you will want money before hand or a job lined up. You can also learn Swedish (which is not that hard for a native English speaker to learn.) It will take longer to get guns then Switzerland but pretty much you can in theory get whatever you want like Switzerland.
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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 1d ago
Italian is not that bad either, and Italy has broader options in terms of firearms availability too.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 1d ago
I thought Italy was stricter then Finland when it came to firearms?
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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 1d ago edited 1d ago
In comparison to Finland? No, Italy doesn't have it better in that sense.
I was comparing Italy to Canada here. You can still own an FAL, or AR in in Italy. That's really what I ment.
Plus, good weather.
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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES 1d ago
Move to Czech Republic
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u/boozefiend3000 1d ago
Besides the gun aspect I’ve really got no desire to see Czechia lol Switzerland or Finland for me
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u/mangobludden 6h ago
Learn swahili and move to africa to join a militia group, that way you can rise through the ranks and become second in command to the warlord (a foreigner becoming a warlord would be next to impossible since they wouldn't be familiar with all the tribal bs). Now you can get whatever gun you want.
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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES 1d ago
I don't think the MK15s and Carmels are gonna be in before the next wave of bans hit.
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u/Flat-Dark-Earth Big Bore Specialist 1d ago
Well, atleast we’ll have our endless supply of cheap Turkish firearms.
Rejoice.
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u/RydNightwish 1d ago edited 1d ago
People buying these things before the SCC decision are risking the same lesson crypto owners got. If we win, the SCC just gives the govt time to amend the law as they do and banned the MK15/Carmel will be.
We lose, another OIC when they need a headline and banned the MK15/Carmel will be.
Basically, the only sign the feds might give up (and thats a big if) is if they do a post loss presser, say something about trying but respect the law, let nancy or whatever the fuck her name is go on a drunken bender on live tv to rant and rave and then triple down on we need to focus our attention solely on fighting the orangeman.
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u/No-Preference989 1d ago
I haven’t been on the sub for a while and last time was when the SCC thing came into place and I was under the assumption that if we won that then most of the OIC’s would be removed is some way and we would have our guns back. Am I wrong?
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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES 1d ago
Wrong. The OICs stay in place while the government goes and passes a bill instead. Which is super stupid if you ask me.
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u/Mirin_Gains 1d ago
I'll just need to shoot out the barrel in 1-2 weeks instead of 1-2m to get my moneys worth worse case.
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u/Unknownuser010203 22h ago
Keep your negative opinions to yourself
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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES 21h ago
Realism is not negativity
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u/Unknownuser010203 20h ago
You have no facts to back up you claims. Its just spreading negativity. Sniveling in negativity as always. Every time I see you post her it's negative speculation. Just because your crying in the corner, dosent mean you have to spread your negativity thay has no facts to back it up.
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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES 19h ago
Alright buddy when December hits and all of them are banned don’t be sad
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u/Unknownuser010203 7h ago
I'll have another safe queen. You'll have nothing but your negative attitude
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u/gamercast1337 1d ago
Hmmmm do yall think alberta going to flip NDP next election based on this by election?
We gonna be setting up NDP with all the tools they need to ban every gun ....
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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES 1d ago
Definitely. People move from the east and then vote for the same shitty policies that made the east shitty.
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u/Lumindan 1d ago
Won't change much for the bans because it falls under federal/public safety.
Don't get me wrong, the safe guards some provinces have put in place are huge at slowing down the confiscation but the buck stops at the federal level
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u/Natural_Comparison21 1d ago
You can’t ban guns at a provincial level from my understanding.
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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES 18h ago
You can certainly push for them. Look at what Quebec has managed to do. And BC with Eby vocally supporting the bans and calling gun owners "Gangsters and wife beaters". NDP in Alberta would toe the same line.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 8h ago
That's support rather then actually ban. As far as actually banning goes that does comes from the federal government. However you are correct. Provinces can be more cooperative and willing.
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u/RydNightwish 1d ago edited 1h ago
Its not indicative of anything. Nenshi can rave all he wants that it means something but it doesnt. Nenshi, the former long time mayor of calgary had to run in edmonton just to get a seat. Let that sink in for a moment. And for all his complaining, hes yet to put forward any solutions to anything. At least federally, PP has had carney poach more than a few ideas.
Then the NDP won the election by only 582 votes. With an already low turnout that saw 1000 and change votes go to the other new conservative party. Intellectually honest people will accept the fact that most of those 1000 votes would likely have stayed with the UCP if there wasnt an alternative on the right.
So no, its not a wide enough margin to call it anything but an election on a monday. And, if anything, it more tha likely will galvanize people to get out and vote against the NDP in 2027.
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u/Agreeable_Store_3896 8h ago
..Nenshi didn't lose he stepped down and didn't rerun.. his approval rating was 65% his final term.. he also used Edmonton because it was quick n dirty and they needed to, he already announced he's leaving it for Calgary next year.
I understand lots of people don't like him but not sure why we just make shit up lol
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u/Brymes13 7h ago
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1DrZUFxM9Z/?mibextid=wwXIfr
Buy back program ending?
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u/WSBBroker 1d ago
I just want to be able to do something with my guns ffs . Sell them or use them. Not just being cucked into the safe this is so painful