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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 3d ago edited 3d ago

Why would anyone want to be associated with this nation or most nations in fact

Keep in mind, I went to university for humanities, of which I only learned the basics, but it was informative. And that education certainly informs my take on this.

I'm a bit of an anarchist, and certainly anti-nationalist, so I really don't understand or support concepts like chauvinism, or exceptionalism. But I do grasp why people want a place to belong. Truthfully, when I see all this Canadian patriotism going around, I grasp why it's happening, but the fact is, this new fervor is actively pushing away the out groups (subcultures, etc) even further.

This is what happens when a society starts leaning to heavily in one direction, in this case, societal collectivism or nationalism. Canada is headed in that direction, just like Japan. Japanese society places a high value on group harmony and social conformity, meaning that behavior disrupting public order or consensus (or in Canada's case, peace and politness) is often discouraged.

Which is fine if you fit in but...

On the other hand, the US leans in the opposite direction, hyper individualism, with, what I judge, to be poor results. (An unpopular take on this sub no doubt).

Society is a balance. Not one thing or the other. When society begins focusing on one thing to the exclusion of others, that's a failure of society.

Our society doesn't like like it's interested in maintaining balance anymore.

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u/InitialAd4125 3d ago

"Canada is headed in that direction, just like Japan. Japanese society places a high value on group harmony and social conformity, meaning that behavior disrupting public order or consensus (or in Canada's case, peace and politness) is often discouraged."

Frankly I'm not all that big a fan of Japan America did a shit job rebuilding it. Could have made it like Switzerland but nope they wanted a good little puppet.

"The US leans in the opposite direction, hyper individualism, with, what I judge, to be poor results. (An unpopular on this sub no doubt)."

Eh it's not entirely wrong but that's kind of what they claim not always the reality after all the consider "corporations" people to an absurd degree. Because it's hyper individualisms hard bullshit everyone for themselves for the peons bailouts for the rich and companies.

"Our society doesn't like like it's interested in maintaining balance anymore."

Did it ever though? Like looking at Canada's history it's just a state stomping on certain out groups of people anytime they questioned why things were this way.

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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 3d ago

Could have made it like Switzerland but nope they wanted a good little puppet.

Arguably, they've already done that to us. 50% of Canada's economy is owned by Americans according to StatsCan.

Eh it's not entirely wrong but that's kind of what they claim not always the reality after all the consider "corporations" people to an absurd degree.

You can thank Ronald Reagan for that. Guy paved the way for oligarchs.

Because it's hyper individualisms hard bullshit everyone for themselves for the peons bailouts for the rich and companies.

Well, that's just it isn't it? Hyper individualism thrives on peons.

Did it ever though? Like looking at Canada's history it's just a state stomping on certain out groups of people anytime they questioned why things were this way.

Yeah, that's true. It's just that I remember a time where cooperation and understanding were expressed as Canadian values, and actually practiced. But that could be me putting on rose tinted glass and looking through the foggy mirror of time.

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u/InitialAd4125 3d ago

"You can thank Ronald Reagan for that. Guy paved the way for oligarchs."

Also a big reason why California has worse gun laws then most of America because of the Black Panthers.

"Yeah, that's true. It's just that I remember a time where cooperation and understanding were expressed as Canadian values, and actually practiced. But that could be me putting on rose tinted glass and looking through the foggy mirror of time."

Sadly I think those are rose tinted like what time would you say this was. Certainly not when being gay was illegal. Or certain groups of people were being put into camps so arguably no time before World War 2. And anything before 1969 if you were gay I'd say there was certainly a lack of understanding. And if you're Indigenous well shit man I can't think of a time ever in Canadian history. Like maybe certain communities in Canada had these values but the nation and the nation state? Not so much.

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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 3d ago

Also a big reason why California has worse gun laws then most of America because of the Black Panthers.

I can't tell you how many American gun guys melt down when I mention that.

Sadly I think those are rose tinted like what time would you say this was. Certainly not when being gay was illegal. Or certain groups of people were being put into camps so arguably no time before World War 2. And anything before 1969 if you were gay I'd say there was certainly a lack of understanding. And if you're Indigenous well shit man I can't think of a time ever in Canadian history. Like maybe certain communities in Canada had these values but the nation and the nation state? Not so much.

My rose tinted glasses were taking me back to the 2000s (more specifically, 2000-2011) but now I that I think about it, you're right. It was bad back then too.

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u/InitialAd4125 3d ago

"(more specifically, 2000-2011)"

I don't know that entire time when I think of it I think of the 2008 financial crisis.

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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 3d ago edited 3d ago

Maybe it's because of where I lived? Granted, I was only in my late teens in 2008 so...

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u/InitialAd4125 3d ago

I was four at that point though I just look at things from a historical lens not personal.