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u/Jaded_Economics7949 Jun 11 '22

I can't believe the government is trying to disarm us and there isn't huge pushback. Can't we get a massive protest going?

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Some gun owners vote liberal.

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u/pickledshallots Jun 11 '22

This right here. Not a gun owner yet (PAL pending), but I personally find a lot of issues more pressing than guns, such as education, healthcare, and affordability. I applied for my PAL for hunting purposes, so that I could save some money on food while also eating in a more ethical way. Our biggest issue is FPTP — proportional representation or ranked ballots would allow more political viewpoints into Parliament. No party fits 100% of my political viewpoints, but the CPC and I have nothing in common except for guns. That’s not enough for my vote.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

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u/Jaded_Economics7949 Jun 11 '22

Well said. Get involved! I bought a membership into the federal conservative party a few weeks ago!

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u/pickledshallots Jun 12 '22

Also — I have actually gotten several of my left leaning friends to sign up for their CFSC. Guns and conservatism are not mutually-exclusive. Hunting is a VERY socialist activity.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '22

They basically are exclusive in this country. How old are you that you have to describe a fuckin activity like hunting as socialist or fascist? Do you see everything through a political lens?

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u/pickledshallots Jun 12 '22

Idk man. I live in Ontario. I used to have my eye doctor appointments covered by OHIP, and Ford took that away from me. Now I have to pay out of pocket, $168. OHIP covered medications for under-25s was taken away by Ford. I was affected by that when I was under 25. Those are only 2 examples of previously-funded healthcare that I am now paying out of pocket for. I’m sure there are people on this group who have their own stories too. Don’t think that your healthcare can’t be affected — it absolutely can. The left leaning parties are the only reason it has remained government-funded.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

What I originally said wasn't meant to be a good thing. Gun owners in this subreddit are a prime example of why enshrining gun rights in this country will be a very slow battle. Can't even agree to vote for the one and only party keeping guns alive.

Liberals and Poly want to get rid of guns primarily used for hunting. Use whatever rationale you want but fact of the matter is, bolt guns and shotties will be banned if you continue to vote liberal. They don't care about "eating in a more ethical way".

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u/pickledshallots Jun 12 '22

It’s not a good thing or a bad thing, it’s just a fact.

FTR I voted NDP in the last federal election. I love their policies. They also don’t have an official stance on guns at the federal level. I am solely interested in hunting, primarily from a socialist point of view of rejecting factory farming of animals, only taking what you need and sharing any excess that you don’t need. I have many socialist friends who are taking their CFSC because of my views. I also have lots of conservative friends who understand where I am coming from even if they themselves don’t agree with me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '22

ranked ballots

Will just guarantee perpetual Liberal majorities.

proportional representation

Liberals are against this literally because that will

allow more political viewpoints into Parliament

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u/pickledshallots Jun 12 '22

I’m honestly not here to debate the intricacies of my political beliefs — however — in a democratic country, do you think we should ever have a situation where the minority of total votes results in a majority government? Because I personally think that’s not a very democratic thing.

For better or for worse, democracy is supposed to represent what the majority of the population wants. We shouldn’t accept any situation of minority rule just because the popular party doesn’t align with our personal views. If you want to win an election with the population being represented fairly, then you should make sure the majority of the population wants to vote for your party.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '22

I support proportional, I just oppose ranked. I also oppose coalition rule because nobody voted for the semi-merged party

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u/pickledshallots Jun 12 '22

I could agree with you on proportional vs. ranked. I like proportional better too.

Coalitions are as old as democracy itself. It’s a natural part of the democratic process — 2 parties with similar goals work together. It’s happened on the right too (see: merger of the progressive conservative and canadian alliance)

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '22

t’s a natural part of the democratic process — 2 parties with similar goals work together.

It also shits all over people who may not have voted for party X if they knew they'd work with Y. For instance, a Liberal voter that often swings CPC may not vote Lib knowing that they'd form a coalition with the NDP. Coalitions basically throw a massive fuck you to the opposite wing of the party

It’s happened on the right too (see: merger of the progressive conservative and canadian alliance)

A merger is not a coalition. And mergers should trigger elections.

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u/pickledshallots Jun 13 '22

I disagree. If government is a “representation of the population,” then isn’t cooperation with others part of that? Sometimes I have to work on a project with someone that I don’t fully agree with and we find middle ground and complete the work.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '22

disagree. If government is a “representation of the population,” then isn’t cooperation with others part of that?

No, because if cooperation with the NDP lost the Liberals my vote, then a coalition is failing to represent me. If I was such a voter, I voted Liberal, not the average Liberal/NDP position which is obviously more NDP than I wanted. .

we find middle ground and complete the work.

Middle ground on gun control is always more gun control.

I wonder if Liberal fudds will still be making the same arguments in 40 years when they ban hunter-caliber boltys saying they're "sniper rifles".

Just use a crossbow bro, you don't need a 2-round bolt gun to take a deer!

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

affordability

And how has the current government made life more affordable since they came to power?

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u/Cadaren99 on Jun 11 '22

I pay a lot less for daycare, that's about it though.

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u/Freek2188 Jun 12 '22

Chances are good that was your provincial government not the federal government....

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Doesn't offset the cost of housing , fuel and inflation though..

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u/Cadaren99 on Jun 11 '22

At least it didn't add to it. You asked and I answered, don't move the goal posts.

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u/drain-angel BC Jun 11 '22

Ah, "fuck you got mine", nothing more emblematic of the LPC partisans here. At least the NDP types actually care about working on a middle ground.

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u/Cadaren99 on Jun 11 '22

Are you referring to me, the person that's happy to get reduced rates after paying for daycare for 6 years?

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u/drain-angel BC Jun 11 '22 edited Jun 11 '22

Glad to hear you saved 50% or whatever on childcare and somehow it's an expense significant enough to where you made it out in the green under this government. Now if you don't mind, I have lentils and beans to soak while I siphon gas so I can make it to school so maybe I can get a job where I can afford a $300K down payment in 10 years.

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u/Cadaren99 on Jun 11 '22

Pull yourself up by the bootstraps and get a better paying job.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

The original statement you were replying to mentioned cost of living in general. You specifically mentioned day care as if that disproves what he said.

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u/Cadaren99 on Jun 11 '22

The question I responded to was how has the govt reduced the cost of living. Which they have by reducing my daycare rates so they don't add to the world-wide inflation rates and ridiculous amount of taxes we pay.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

I'm paying out the gas for my car, I'm paying out the ass for food, I'm paying out the ass for ammo and equipment and housing is out of reach.

Sure, daycare is the most pressing matter.

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u/Cadaren99 on Jun 11 '22

To a lot of people it is. Also, Politicians don't control the price of gas, or housing, or food, or anything else you buy from a capitalist market. Not unless you want to bring in socialist price controls.

And before you go on and on about the carbon tax, I don't care, and to address the rest of the taxes on gas - reducing them will only allow price creep to occur. Then we're losers all around, the price of gas is the same and now we have less revenue to fund the province. Which is exactly what happened in Alberta and is going to happen in Ontario.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

They won't get it

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u/drain-angel BC Jun 11 '22

Whole section about electoral reform used as justification for voting Liberal

Man....

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u/fltlns Jun 11 '22

In my opinion this is short sighted. I too have nothing in common with CPC besides guns, but I voted for em last cycle and I'll vote for them next cycle. And when they fuck something up I care about I'll vote for someone else. At that time. The liberals are currently stealing thousands of dollars from me, effectively. So I will vote CPC, and then maybe after the CPC is in I'll vote liberal if CPC is fucking social services or something. But we need to stop the bleeding and the CPC can't really fuck anything up with a minority but the liberals can thanks to the block and NDP. if people wanna see things not get fucked up all the time cpc minority is the best outcome. This liberal ndp coalition is spit in the face of democracy. The people trusted you with a minority, and you went around them.

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u/wolfgang94 Jun 11 '22

Ranked ballots will favor liberals quite a bit, that's why Trudeau is for them.

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u/Cadaren99 on Jun 11 '22

Del Duca as well, RIP his career.

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u/pickledshallots Jun 12 '22

I’m honestly not here to debate the intricacies of my political beliefs — however — in a democratic country, do you think we should ever have a situation where the minority of total votes results in a majority government? Because I personally think that’s not a very democratic thing.

For better or for worse, democracy is supposed to represent what the majority of the population wants. We shouldn’t accept any situation of minority rule just because the popular party doesn’t align with our personal views. If you want to win an election with the population being represented fairly, then you should make sure the majority of the population wants to vote for your party.

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u/wolfgang94 Jun 12 '22

I don't like first last the post, I just also dislike ranked ballots.

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u/pickledshallots Jun 12 '22

What about proportional representation?

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u/wolfgang94 Jun 12 '22

Big fan, I prefer Mixed member proportional tho

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u/pickledshallots Jun 12 '22

Also — I’m an Ontarian. Only 38% of the eligible population actually fucking voted. The biggest percentage of voters out there aren’t liberals or conservatives — they’re non voters.

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u/wolfgang94 Jun 12 '22

62.5% turnout for our last federal election according to elections Canada. We're not doing great for turnout at the national level, but it's still a reasonable turnout.

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u/pickledshallots Jun 12 '22

My apologies, I was referring to the Ontario provincial election that just passed.

68% isn’t bad but still 32% short

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u/wolfgang94 Jun 12 '22

I hear you, it's hard to get people motivated to vote in this system

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u/Jaded_Economics7949 Jun 11 '22

Hey that's fair. I would have to read more about the ranked ballots to have an opinion on that subject. I'm more neutral than I lead on, it's just the things that I don't like about the current government, I really don't like. So it distances me from both the NDP and liberals.