r/canadaguns • u/rastamasta45 • Jun 13 '26
News / Politics / Activism Gov't Documents Reveal Stakeholders invited to consult on C-21, including current cabinet member, sought to end handgun target shooting, ban online gun sales, and thought gun owners illegally modified magazines "all the time"
https://calibremag.ca/c-21-docs-show-stakeholders-sought-to-ban-online-gun-sales/Yeeesh banning online sales, they really really wanted to go full scorched earth
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u/DimGrows Jun 13 '26
MFW I’m accused of doing something illegal, even though I’m statistically less likely to break the law than the people accusing me.
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u/OCTS-Toronto Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
Could have saved alot of money by just advertising that she is not a gopher or a tin can.
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u/FunkyFrunkle Jun 13 '26
You don’t need to be a psychologist to understand her body language.
She spends so much time being told what she wants to hear that she becomes visibly enraged when someone dares ask a question that’s even remotely critical.
Putting her in charge of this file would probably kill it all together. It would only be a matter of time before she says something so fucked that it couldn’t be ignored and the government finds itself on yet another massive damage control mission.
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u/Nilotaus Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
It would only be a matter of time before she says something so fucked that it couldn’t be ignored and the government finds itself on yet another massive damage control mission.
She kinda already did by outright stating that it isn't actual criminals & terrorists that are the problem, it's the PAL/RPAL holders who went out of their way to get licensed that are the issue.
Nothing's come of it yet it seems, so I'm curiously sickened on what it will take for her to be effectively tarred & feathered.
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u/Opening_Pizza Jun 13 '26
Besides the crazy lady who is clearly traumatized out of her senses, these people know what they're doing is wrong. Gary is one of the worst political actors I've ever seen.
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u/Gloomy-Grocery6562 Jun 13 '26
Friendly reminder that he is just a fall guy for Carney. If he worked for Pierre, he would be giving press conferences about ending the bans and explaining why ending them would be a good idea. (He literally told Carney behind closed doors that the ban should be ended, and Carney refused, if you remember the leaked audio.)
I'm not saying you need to like him, but if you're openly mad at him without mentioning that it's actually Carney and the LPC who are responsible, you're literally falling for the lightning rod trap Carney set up.
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u/Gold_Jellyfish_49 Jun 14 '26
Can you point me to the leaked audio? I live under a rock.
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u/Gloomy-Grocery6562 Jun 14 '26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfvlfZESwD8
Here ya go. Surprised there are still some here who haven't heard it yet.
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u/WeCanDoBettrr Jun 13 '26
As a public servant myself, I can tell you that the days of fearless advice and loyal implementation died many many years ago, regardless of portfolio. Public servants get promoted by telling their bosses what the boss wants to hear. I’ve personally been told to “just go get new numbers then” when the impartially collected and analyzed data didn’t support the direction our leaders wanted to take 🤷♂️
The system is broken.
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u/some_guy2024 Jun 13 '26
Sad as that is to hear it’s not unexpected. You answer to people who were put in their positions because of ideological conformity, not because they are skilled or useful individuals. For people line that ideology will always trump reality hence reality must me made to conform to ideology 🤷🏼♂️
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u/weneedafuture Jun 13 '26
Hello fellow disenfranchised public servant! The whole RTO situation is another masterclass in poor policy...
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u/IGnuGnat Jun 13 '26
Anyone who proclaims that they care about climate change and the environment MUST support remote work, not RTO. It impossible to support both and not be a hypocrite or a liar
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u/AdditionalLoss7274 Jun 13 '26
Just a coincidence that they don't want to do any actual work, either...
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u/TMS-Mandragola al Jun 13 '26
Society is broken. We keep electing the same liars and crooks. We get the world we deserve :(
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u/Thegears89 Jun 13 '26
What's really messed up, we the public should be who they consider their boss.
But they are all criminals and hate each and every one of us
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u/Benefit_Waste Jun 13 '26
I can't get over this
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u/Mahatma_Ghandicap Jun 13 '26
???
Im out of the loop. Someone care to explain?
Why is there a picture of a pop can?
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u/CalibreMag Jun 13 '26
I enjoyed screencapping that if only for the look on the faces of all the MPs standing behind her and Anandasangaree.
Bummer about the screen tearing, though.
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u/boozefiend3000 Jun 13 '26
It’ll be a good day when she ceases to exist
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u/adhq Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
I think she just needs a new hobby. Being a hag Karen her entire life must be exhausting and evidently, not very fulfilling.
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u/yuikkiuy bc Jun 13 '26
yea so these statistically most law abiding demographic of citizens in the country are obviously comiting felonies and modifying their magazines like all the time, they are dangerous i tell you, animals!
we MUST ban all these handguns, i just saw a movie the other day where they use them, horrific stuff i tell you
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u/Relevant_Diver_3228 Jun 13 '26
Finally someone gets what I am saying about people modifying their rugger clipazines
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u/Cre_AK47 Name Prohibited by OIC Jun 13 '26
Yeah bro, thanks for introducing me to the Rugger Mini 14 and the Rugger 10/22.
Ruger Mini 14 and 10/22 are terrible compared to the Rugger Mini 14 and 10/22!
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u/AdeptArt Jun 13 '26
Lies. I don’t know why they need to resort to lies to make their point.
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u/ReturnOk7510 Jun 13 '26
Because the truth doesn't support their agenda
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u/some_guy2024 Jun 13 '26
Exactly that. So they lie, distort and slander to push their agenda.
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u/outline8668 Jun 13 '26
They don't know or care what the truth is. They just decide what "truth" fits their agenda.
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u/thisghy Jun 13 '26
Thats the thing about left-wing ideology. The only truth is "your truth". Which is whatever shit you pull out your ass that day.
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u/ADGx27 Jun 14 '26
Neoliberal ideology
Leftists fucking hate neoliberals as much as conservatives do, which is strange considering that save for a scant few issues like guns and immigration, neoliberals often play directly into conservatives’ hands as we see with American Democrats
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u/dsac Jun 14 '26
The number of people who can't fathom that both red and blue are basically the same is mind-boggling
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u/Rewindonemoretime Jun 13 '26
Because they can, right? So many people I know have no idea what the gun laws are, what they’re banning, and they could care less to learn.
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u/outline8668 Jun 13 '26
It's not just lies but the liberal mind views the world as the way they think things are, or the way they think things ought to be. You can explain to them the actual legislation, statistics, etc and when it conflicts with their made-up narrative there is no introspection, it is simply you who are wrong. And intentionally wrong at that.
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u/ADGx27 Jun 14 '26
Isn’t like A LOT of gun crime here done with smuggled/otherwise illegally accessed guns?
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u/Armedfist Jun 13 '26
Ban won’t work if no one cares
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Jun 14 '26
depends on if carney has a "just watch me" moment on how much he wants to hurt licensed gun owners
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u/thisghy Jun 13 '26
Judging by the behaviour of just about every LPC government. No, I dont think that the economy matters to them.
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u/Unfortunate_Sex_Fart al Jun 13 '26
Liberals have never given a shit about the economy. Print money and import cheap foreign labour has been their MO for 12 years.
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u/outline8668 Jun 13 '26
They have added fuel to the fire of this spat with trump at every opportunity if it buys them votes and furthers their agenda so no I don't think they give a shit about economic impacts of ideologically driven policy.
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u/ThrowRA_That_Owl_25 Jun 13 '26
"Our country runs on feelings instead of logic."
A certain gender does the same. Hm...
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u/ADGx27 Jun 14 '26
That’s one thing I never understood. Like guns are expensive and people buying them (and ammo) will rake in a bunch of money just off sales tax alone let alone other expenses like land for ranges
I figured a man with a literal doctorate in economics could put that 2 and 2 together
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u/thecoolernameistaken Jun 13 '26
It makes me fucking short circuit when I tell myself these people govern us. How did we allow this. How DO we allow this? Am I just really stoned now or does anyone else think this whole countrys fucked
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Jun 14 '26
they do it with every policy. anytime the government "consults" on an issue its just to fabricate data to say why everyone loves it actually.
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u/Goliad1990 Jun 13 '26
Regarding making it an offence for businesses to promote violence in firearms marketing and sales: “Has anyone ever done this? Why not do something that will make a difference, like no ads on the internet, or no online sales?” [Edited for legibility because apparently Poly is fucking illiterate]
I'm preaching to the choir, but this is the most bald-faced example yet that they eventually want everything banned.
The next time they try to lie to you that they aren't after "sporting" or "hunting" guns, remember that they secretly lobbied to ban retailers from advertising or selling hunting rifles on the internet, because that would be the policy that would "make the difference" that they want to see.
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u/FunkyFrunkle Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
I’m not even surprised. It’s been clear from the start that nobody who actually knew anything was ever consulted. Just “emotional experts”.
It was always clear, from the moment the government started providing numbers and rationale that this program was drafted completely in a sterilized bubble. It was clear that the only people who had a seat at the table were the people who supported the governments position.
It would infuriate me when they were referred to as “stakeholders” when they had nothing to lose if this program failed or succeeded. It was the people who stood to lose their property without having done anything to deserve it that were the *real* stakeholders, and we were not consulted. Not given the time of day. Just a faceless, grotesque mass of people that had to be regulated.
If I could put a somewhat positive spin on this, it is for this *very reason* that the program is failing. It is *because* it was drafted in a bubble that it’s crashing against reality in a spectacular way. It’s not difficult to tell that there was no input from the outside world, only a small number of hand selected people who supported this no matter what. Only activists and people stunned from trauma of horrific events that were allowed any input.
The result? A program that does not mesh with reality. A program that was imposed upon people and people pushed back. Now almost the entire country and a cavalcade of police forces are telling the government to pound sand, not to mention the whole thing has caught the attention of the Supreme Court.
That’s why Natalie was so angry. She spent much time being courted by the government, being told what she wanted to hear and that she was finally the one in the chamber with all of the relevant people behind closed doors getting to basically dictate what should be done according to her and she now stands a very real chance of losing it all.
Wouldn’t surprise me if she was (gently) told that this program is no longer a priority, and if there isn’t any measurable success within a certain amount of time, it was getting mothballed. Now it’s going to the SCC where it stands a roughly 50/50 chance of getting legally torched.
She’s not seeing her sensibilities and her beliefs being reflected on a macro scale and it’s eating her alive from the inside. She can’t stand not being allowed to control the conversation.
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u/burntlandboi Jun 13 '26
It’s the idea that these people think THEY are the only ones either the morals and intellect to make decisions for the rest of us that really makes me upset. Especially when it’s quite obvious they have no fucking clue what they are talking about.
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u/FunkyFrunkle Jun 13 '26
Which, ironically, is the reason why this program has completely shit the bed.
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u/GinnAdvent Jun 13 '26
Hmm, yes people not wearing seat belt while driving and talking on their cellphone while driving probably cause more vehicles related deaths than firearm related death involving firearm owners. Yet they illegally modified gun magazine all the time according to the stakeholders. You know the biggest stakeholders in this whole talk is 2.3 mil plus PAL owners right? Why are we being treated like subset of population because we own firearms. Is the public safety gone downhill in the recent 6nd yrs with spike in gun crime involved with legal firearm owners?
Then what's the point of me having 50 Glock magazines and 30 Cross mags and LAR mags plus over 35 plus T81 mags? And the poor poor pinned P90 mags.....
Do what that idiotic reporter did and unpin mags live so can save some money?
I am following the rule to the tee so I honor my end of the bargains while they are out there discrediting lawful gun owners to move the goal post?
So if they don't trust us than I guess whatever restrictions doesn't apply either?
Good grief.
And if you do so incline, then I would like some MP to physically participate in door to door "gun buy back" with Natalie Provost leading it by example instead hiding it behind RCMP. After all, this is their grand idea, that the definition of public safety in Canada is ignore all the violent home invasion and extortion, and go after law abiding citizens.
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u/Weak-Coffee-8538 Jun 13 '26
Funny I remember the first ban and they said, there's thousands of makes and models still available.
And all along they wanted those all banned too.
The magazine stuff is hilarious. I've never ran into anyone whose modified because they know it's illegal.
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u/Accurate_Info7777 Jun 13 '26
Why why why can we not just sue poly into the fucking ground?? Im not talking class action, Im talking thousands of individual small claims suits. They want scorched earth, lets give them scorched fucking earth.
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u/CalibreMag Jun 14 '26
That's a good question - for a lawyer.
Kinda seems to me like their comments should be treading into actual libel, but I don't know much about actual law.
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u/Fredarius Jun 13 '26
Not suprised, also basically they don’t like guns and we’re trying to find any way to ban aw much guns as possible with as little blowback as possible. Hopefully it just keeps getting worse for them
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u/neck-tourniquet Jun 13 '26
If you have to make up scare tactics to lure people into following your agenda, maybe your agenda is shit. NathaLIE Provost is trash.
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u/dsac Jun 14 '26
If you have to make up scare tactics to lure people into following your agenda, maybe your agenda is shit.
You do realise this has been the neocon playbook since the 70s, right?
Just checking
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u/SpringbokAlpha Jun 14 '26
It's been the playbook for literally every governmental force in human history. Fear sells. Ascribing fear tactics to one political side or the other is the sign of a weak mind.
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u/Uncle_Ted_1942 Jun 13 '26
I am a young buck. Just shy of 22. I am not looking forward to my future, however I will not give up hope.
Ladies, gentlemen, and everyone in between and outside of those categories, we mustn’t give in. We must NOT give in. You can feel the doom and gloom, but do not let that feeling alter your actions. In the end, there is Light in the darkness.
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u/outline8668 Jun 13 '26
I feel sorry for all the cool shit you missed out on through no fault of your own.
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u/Uncle_Ted_1942 Jun 13 '26
I buy what I like, mostly old cheap shotguns and .22s. I really wish I could have gotten a handgun though. I remember in highschool how down bad I was to turn 18, write for my rpal, and get a Romanian TT-33 for $250 lol
Now I’m hoping my father lives long enough for some sort of grandfathering to come into existence so I can legally keep my maternal grandfathers Iver Johnson Model 55. He and I shared our birthday, and he died 2 weeks before I was born.
Of the handful of things he left behind for me, all but 2 things were guns.
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u/Evilstib Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
They “thought” it or knew it was bullshit and tried to “sell” it anyways?
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u/WearWrong1569 Jun 13 '26
Back in the 90's it was Allan Rock's mug that used to raise my blood pressure. Now it's this twat.
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u/Any-Lavishness-2473 Jun 13 '26
We are criminals in waiting. Show me the gunowner, the government will show you the crime. Scum.
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u/julienjj Jun 13 '26
I've never seen anyone ever in a club with a modified magazine. No one is risking his license/prison for an extra .4 seconds reload.
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u/admin_bait14 Jun 14 '26
So can they use these bad faith consultations in the current SCC challenge? I mean if the policy insights were tainted from the beginning that really is saying something...
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u/Key-Description-9620 Jun 14 '26
I just don't get it, anything and everything can be used for "assault" even our fists. So does that mean that there going to cut our fists off? Of course not.
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u/HappyCan7250 Jun 15 '26
Never say never man. Look at the lunatics setting firearms policy in the LPC. I could almost see Poly calling for hands to be amputated for public safety.
When they're done with guns they'll go after trucks and vans next. They'll never be satisfied. They're genuinely insane.
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u/Expensive_Blood_2800 Jun 15 '26
That Natalie Provost is deranged. How can they let someone like her make decisions for everyone? Wonder what she says about the firearms that her bodyguards carries.
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u/throwie2k Jun 15 '26
Oh what if there's a massive civil non compliance like when they were thinking of banning the SKS? And I say it not as a possibility
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u/Joels-workshop Jun 17 '26
It’s interesting, they actually achieved the opposite of their goal by lying.
I don’t know a single person that unpins their magazines to hold more rounds.
Compliance will eventually decrease when people perceive laws as irrational, inconsistent, unfair, or disconnected from reality. Research in criminology, public policy, and organizational behavior shows that people are more likely to comply voluntarily when they believe:
The rule has a legitimate purpose. The rule is applied fairly. The rule is based on evidence or common sense. The authority imposing the rule is trustworthy. The burden imposed is proportionate to the problem being addressed.
Anyone with common sense can see this government cares more about punishing law-abiding gun owners than it does criminals.
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u/Key_Tree261 Jun 13 '26
What makes me sick is when the Conservatives get back in power one day, it's not like they'll do anything to fix things. How do I know? What did Harper do?
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u/outline8668 Jun 13 '26
He trashed the LGR, vastly simplified the ATT process, unbanned a couple of guns the RCMP went out of their way to ban. I'm not saying he was the second coming of gun Jesus but things did get better under Harper.
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u/dsac Jun 14 '26
He didn't dump the LGR because it was bad, be dumped it because it cost more than $1 and, like every Conservative politician, the government paying for things is antithetical to their beliefs
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u/Key_Tree261 Jun 13 '26
He didn't "unban" my guns and that's what "I" voted for
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u/Jaded-Juggernaut-244 Jun 13 '26
So glad you're considering the whole of the community and not just yourself.
You keep on shinin' okay?
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u/Jaded-Juggernaut-244 Jun 13 '26
I don't think that's true. I understand your frustration...I share it. Harper stopped the insanity of the LGR. Could the CPC have done more with their majority? Yes, they could have.
Will Pierre stop the attacks on gun owners? I am certain that as long as he has the power that will be true. I believe he will strike down all the OIC's and attempt to return us to at least pre-2020. Will he overturn the handgun ban? I dunno, it's possible but that would be a very hot potato.
It's not fair to say they will do nothing. Will we get a re-write of the Firearms Act? I hope so, but I doubt it. Will we get a common sense firearms classification system? Perhaps, but another long shot. Will we survive with some reprieves to the laws to fight another day? Yes, I think that for certain.
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u/ThrowRA_That_Owl_25 Jun 13 '26
We need something more solid than that. Or else, they will just keep re-writing laws.
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u/Jaded-Juggernaut-244 Jun 13 '26
What we need and what we can realistically expect are two different conversations.
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u/boozefiend3000 Jun 13 '26
Harper helped a lot by getting rid of the registry. There was a lot of stuff planned if he won his second majority. They were even gonna run a pilot program for handgun hunting. That would’ve been huge stopping any bans on them
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u/BilboBaggSkin Jun 13 '26
Conservatives and the Liberals are pretty much the same thing. It’s a symptom of our political system.
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u/Cre_AK47 Name Prohibited by OIC Jun 13 '26
So in essence, like we all knew this whole time, it isn't certain guns they want banned, it's all guns they want banned.