r/canadaguns • u/Trick-Goat-3643 • Jun 11 '26

News / Politics / Activism The misinformation campaign continues

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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/most-crime-guns-traced-by-rcmp-came-from-within-canada-internal-reports-say/

"The RCMP centre defines crime guns as firearms that were used or suspected to have been used in criminal offences, guns whose serial numbers have been obliterated or altered, firearms that were found but not reported lost or stolen, and replicas, toys, 3D-printed guns, pellet or air guns that have been used in criminal offences"

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u/JurboVolvo Jun 11 '26

So when the police previously said 90+% of guns used in crime were smuggled that was a lie? Or is this the lie?

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u/0672216 Jun 11 '26

Keyword here is “traced”. Like that chopped pos “pistol” 10/22 that was posted here the other day; it can probably be traced back to Canada.

This is straight up lying by omission. How about the guns that can’t be traced?

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u/Trick-Goat-3643 Jun 11 '26

And the guns that are traced tend to be "firearms" like from the post the other day where police siezed 13 "firearms" and it was pellet guns and a crossbow. All of these count toward those misleading statistics about firearms in Canada

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u/JackassJJ88 Jun 12 '26

I bet the pellet and air guns are doing a lot of heavy lifting here too. Lots of kids screw around with them without knowing the consequences and catch a charge.

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u/Spare-Swim9458 Jun 11 '26

This is a lie. They’re saying firearms that can’t be traced, (serial number missing), are Canadian even without that firearm matching a description of a missing Canadian firearm. And also non firearms that are considered firearms when use for crime, (pellet, paintball, airsoft I assume), are also being claimed to be Canadian “firearms”.

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u/Trick-Goat-3643 Jun 11 '26

The pellet, paintball, airsoft guns dont even have to be used in a crime to be added to these statistics. If they are seized during an investigation from someone's home they count towards these numbers

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u/4r4nd0mninj4 Jun 11 '26

Yep. Cops get called to a domestic and a dozen paintball, airsoft, and a few cap and lazer tag guns get confiscated as "present" during the altercation and get labeled as domestically sourced guns.

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u/deepbluemeanies Jun 11 '26

You are just now realizing the Federal gov and their media supporters lie to us every day....?

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u/Infinite_Price_3550 Jun 11 '26

I think the 90+% number has been reported on by the metropolitan area polices forces. Like Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver etc. The numbers in this article are only for the RCMPs tracing which i would expect to have a high Canadian origin then guns found in the cities. The fact that BB guns, air guns, crossbows, etc get classified as a firearm if used in a crime are also going to increase the number of Canadian origin guns they find used in crimes. Their isn't enough nuance in their reporting. They lump too many categories together to really have a clear picture of how many actual firearms that are used in crimes are smuggled into Canada. And ill end with saying this again, these are only the RCMPs tracing numbers. Not ever polices forces numbers for the whole country.

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Jun 12 '26

Correct. Their jurisdiction barely overlaps, hence why ON/QC and many other places are excluded.

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u/newtoabunchofstuff Jun 11 '26

I think it has to do more with how they define "crime guns" is misleading because it includes toys, replicas, 3d printed guns and air guns.

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u/Jaded-Juggernaut-244 Jun 11 '26

Yes, and as stated, ANY firearm that is not traceable is automatically labeled "domestic".

So, all those handguns coming in from the US with serial numbers obliterated, if not caught at the border, once discovered on the street will be classified as having originated in Canada.

ANY firearm, toy, replica, air soft, pellet gun, etc etc, discovered at a crime scene, (not even used in the crime, just present) are classified as crime guns in the stats.

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u/DFA_Wildcat Jun 11 '26

Both can be true. If 90% of crime guns came from the US they can be difficult or impossible to trace because they were never legally imported or registered here. 90% of the guns they can trace means those were most likely brought in by a Canadian dealer or registered to someone in Canada. The 90% they can trace is probably 10% of the firearms used in crimes.

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Jun 12 '26

Both can be true - they are different police forces and their gun tracing efforts likely won't overlap.