r/canadaguns • u/rastamasta45 • Apr 15 '26
News / Politics / Activism Time to ban pump shotguns!!
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u/ThePoeticJester Apr 15 '26
Dumb asses dont know the law. Those magazine limits are for SEMI AUTOS not manual action
Boo hoo, fits the laws YOU crafted in the 90s during the major reform
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u/Ritchie_Whyte_III Apr 15 '26
It doesn't matter. The people who subscribe to Poly want that self gratifying rage bait. It's an addiction.
They won't be happy until the RCMP are in our kids rooms confiscating NERF guns, and then they will just move on to the next thing trying to chase that justice boner.
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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down Apr 15 '26
I don't expect a gopher or pop can to know the laws either.
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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 Apr 15 '26
Sssh now don’t you be spreading misinformation and disinformation you literal big gun lobby!
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u/rastamasta45 Apr 15 '26
1 billion percent, I mean in 1994 they got the firearms act, then banned AR15’s, then handguns, then more rifles and then all the WW2 rifles and they’re still calling for more.
They will be coming for “rapid action” next and then eventually “single shot high velocity armour piercing death howitzers, because that one bullet is a WMD”
They won’t ever stop
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u/4r4nd0mninj4 Apr 15 '26
Somewhere, Poly is on record in the 90s, saying they would disband after this ban as they've accomplished their goal...
They were lying through their teeth. It will never end.😔
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u/alphawolf29 Apr 15 '26
Their jobs literally depend on it so of course.
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u/Flintly Apr 15 '26
Why kill the golden goose
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u/canvanman69 Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
Donate to the anti-gun Polytechnique survivor group today and all your wildest dreams will come true. :/
When they all inevitably die of old age, will the organization switch to grifting the anti-aging fight next? It happened 36 years ago. Give it a rest at 40 or 50 please.
Or, let's start up a political lobby for the Bloody Falls Massacre of 1771. We desperately need to ban small skinning knives and the incredibly lethal assault bow's and arrows. Someone needs to think of the children.
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u/BlackElmyr Apr 15 '26
It's worse than that. I think YouTuber BATS888 nailed it a while back. They go at this like they've unresolved PTSD and we're all psychos waiting to pop. Like some fanatical crusader, for them no lie, no misrepresentation no underhanded tactic is unacceptable or too far till the threat is gone.
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u/yolo_swagdaddy Apr 15 '26
How long until they start banning pumps and bolt actions because you can cycle them too quickly?
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u/ADGx27 Apr 15 '26
Wouldn’t be shocked if they bring up WW1 rifle drills about the Mad Minute to ban Lee Enfields
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u/NL1839 Apr 16 '26
They’ll start using “capable of sustained rapid fire” to ban them. Just like “assault style”, make up a word and use it so much that people that don’t know any better believe you. Just like “assault style” became just assault rifles “capable of sustained rapid fire” will just become “rapid fire” and it can cover what’s left that hasn’t been banned
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u/M1CAustin Apr 15 '26
Yeah they were coming for bb guns before.
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u/rastamasta45 Apr 15 '26
Oh my god and their rational was that “they could easily be modified to fire real bullets and I’ve seen it” Pam Demof said that.
These people literally don’t understand how metal and physics work. Like how stupid that statement is, literally clinically stupid.
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u/MustardTiger88 Apr 15 '26
Pam Damof. I will always remember her name from the piss poor job she did under the Trudeau liberals.
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u/escv_69420 Apr 15 '26
One could much more easily make a gun using hand tools from scratch, including the powder, projectiles and ignition system, than make an airsoft gun shoot live ammo.
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u/EvanAzzo Apr 15 '26
Are you saying BB guns haven't been modified to fire real rounds?
Because, they have. I've seen it.
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u/emugamer222 Apr 15 '26
Banning guns doesn't affect anyone who's modifying a bb gun to kill someone, they don't follow the law anyway
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u/EvanAzzo Apr 15 '26
That's not what he's implying. He's implying that metallurgy and physics prevent you from modifying a BB gun to fire live ammunition. That's incorrect. You absolutely can modify certain BB guns to fire live ammunition and I've seen it done.
See the problem with this echo chamber subreddit is a lot of you neanderthals think you're subject matter experts and you go off spouting incorrect information that make all gun owners look just a dumb as yourselves.
I worked as a Weapons technician, I worked in the civilian firearms manufacturing industry, and now I work in a law enforcement capacity and I know what gets seized, I know what's out there and I actually know what I'm talking about because this has been my livelihood for longer than some people on this subreddit have been alive. While also having a PAL longer than most people in this subreddit
I'd have almost let the comment go if he hadn't declared it was the most preposterous thing to ever be insinuated when he's in fact absolutely wrong and it 100% can be done.
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u/Lumindan Apr 15 '26
By your logic we might as well ban tables because they can be used to modify weapons.
No more cars because they could be used for car bombs. Same with propane tanks.
The way to reduce violence is to get to the root of it, mental health services etc.
No need to be a jerk about it though. We have enough problems at the gate vs tearing each other a strip.
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u/EvanAzzo Apr 15 '26
I'm not saying to ban anything. Where did I say to ban things?
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u/Lumindan Apr 15 '26
No but your reasoning is attempting to justify their bans.
Just because there exists a possibility of a bb gun being modified doesn't mean bbs should be banned.
It's the same problem we're seeing now. Just because illegal guns are used in mass casualty events 30+ years ago doesn't mean we should ban ownership on semis now. But Poly believes it (or at least they push it to keep the machine running).
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u/EvanAzzo Apr 15 '26
It's not attempting to justify their bans at all.
It's pointing out he is wrong. It is possible, and to say it isn't is more stupid than people saying it is possible.
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u/BrotherLefthand Apr 15 '26
Firstly, I'm not reading all that mess. Secondly, blow it out your self-aggrandizing anus. Thirdly, just because something can be done doesn't mean it is done easily. If you're actually afraid of bandits with modified BB guns becoming a rampant problem, a problem that justifies stricter firearms legislation, you need to get off Facebook.
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u/EvanAzzo Apr 15 '26
You can't read it because you lack the comprehension to understand what's being written. Your final point demonstrates that fact.
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u/BoooRadley13 Apr 15 '26
I think you joined Reddit to have people that will actually talk to you. You used the word "I" far too many times, let other people speak once in a while, in the real world.
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u/99spider Apr 15 '26
Are those modifications any easier than 3d printing a frame/receiver? Essentially all of the components that will ever touch the cartridge need to be replaced.
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u/Jimbo_Slice1919 Apr 15 '26
I’ve seen a shotgun made out of one of those steering wheel clubs. Should we be banning metal pipes and nails too? Since you could technically make a “shotgun” out of those as well. By shotgun I mean a crude apparatus capable of discharging a shotgun shell which may or may not remove the hands of the one use such device.
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u/Foreign_Active_7991 Apr 16 '26
Because, they have. I've seen it.
With what, a .22 short that blows it up 3 shots in?
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u/wpgffs Apr 15 '26
They’re gateway guns, like the devils lettuce leads to hard drugs /S
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u/4r4nd0mninj4 Apr 15 '26
There's two bills in I think New York, which is trying to reclassify everything that's not a firearm (BB, pellet, airsoft, paintball) into "replica." And since replicas are required to have plugged barrels, it would end the culture of children being introduced to wholesome gun ownership and safety. Thus wiping out most new gun owners in a generation or two.
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u/FrozenSeas Apr 15 '26
We're next to that already, airsoft and BB guns are "uncontrolled firearms" and have to be in a strict muzzle energy band to be legal. For airsoft it works out to 366-500fps with an 0.20g BB. Under is a "replica firearm" and those are illegal (or at least illegal to import, somewhat more grey in-country, but it's why we can't get stuff like nonfiring model guns), above is the same as any nonrestricted and requires a PAL.
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u/4r4nd0mninj4 Apr 15 '26
Unfortunately, any "progress" by the anti-gun establishment in either country will be used to further their agenda in both countries.
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u/BrotherLefthand Apr 15 '26
It was around the same time the UK prohibited a bunch of blank pistols that "could be easily converted to shoot live ammunition". Poly won't stop.
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u/Melodic-Street-8898 Apr 15 '26
Sad because more crimes are commited with bb guns than real guns owned be licensed owners
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u/LordRevan1996 Apr 15 '26
Reminds me of that mother in the UK that lost her son. He was murdered by other kids with katanas. Now the UK banned “ninja” swords. They let their grief blind them and others take advantage of that grief to push political agendas.
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u/BlackElmyr Apr 15 '26
It's easier on their minds than trying to fix society's ills and then realising there will always be deviants.
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u/cartman101 Apr 15 '26
Next: PolySeSouvient demands the government ban firearma from Fortnite
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u/PotatoFondler Apr 15 '26
Well C21 originally had a provision where they wanted to ban the “glorification” of firearms in advertisements. They also had to clarify that they weren’t going after any other media. But give an inch and they’ll take the whole mile.
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u/Longjumping_Deer3006 Apr 16 '26
Honestly if Poly is dumb enough to target the gamers then that would put alot of heat on them.
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u/SandySpectre Apr 15 '26
I’ve been saying this for years and everyone looks at me like I’ve grown a seventh head. The end goal for Poly and the other anti gunners is the complete abolition of private firearm ownership in Canada. And the Liberal party fully supports that goal. They’ve been slowly working towards that since the 90s and they won’t stop.
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u/Captain_chutzpah Apr 15 '26
Lol they don't even care about guns anymore. This is just their job. But if they aren't doing something they don't get paid. If you could convince them being vegan is more important and nothing about their funding supply legally obligates it specifically to guns, you could probably get them to chase that instead.
They will never ban meat, but they can yell for the rest of their lives getting paid. Everyone wins.
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u/Agonizing-Stroke1812 Apr 15 '26
Lol. They've really been on a roll since 2020. Some seriously weird backdoor relationships must be going on since I've never met anyone in my life besides pro-gun folks that knew who/what poly is. Yet they are seemingly the sole decision makers for federal gun policy
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u/escv_69420 Apr 16 '26
The back door deal was Poly's stranglehold over a riding in Quebec that was very valuable, even decisive, to elections. They openly threaten to fuck over the Liberals and switch to BQ over and over in order to manipulate them into giving money to Poly.
It's not about the liberals wanting to ban guns. We all know the stats on gun crime and where the guns come from, and despite all the rhetoric around here about Libs being dumb, they aren't. They know every stat people cite decrying how dumb the post 2020 gun laws are. The Libs them selves know how dumb it is (see: Gary's recorded conversation ooopsie).
No, it's not about "disarming the populace" or "a step towards communism" some kooky bullshit like that. It's an illegal quid pro quo relationship where the Liberals give Prevost money so she and her circle of PTSD having wine moms can get rich while continuing their hobby crusade, in exchange for a seat that helps keep them in power so that the LPC can keep doing dodgy shit and making billions (see: SNC Lavalin affair, Arrive Can, everything in Carney's book, ect.).
If anything, hilariously enough there is a chance that the majority government puts a pause on all this and quietly lets it fade away. They're locked in, they don't need Prevost anymore. She is mentally unwell and that makes her a liability in the end, and Carney isn't the kind of guy to blow a billion dollars on some stupid bullshit that doesn't make him any money.
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u/ultragigasimp Apr 20 '26
Nah dude that makes too much sense I think Lenin has infiltrated the liberals and is wearing mark carneys skin to make us a COMMUNIST SLAVE country for BIG CHINA trust me dude I have sources
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u/LordRevan1996 Apr 15 '26
I wholly support the tenets of democracy and people having the right to be wrong in their opinions, but Poly weaponizes their lack of knowledge. Democracy only truly works when arguments are made in good faith and are knowledgeable. Poly does neither. “10 rounds is too many” by what metric? The Cracker Jack box you pulled that idea from? And they take advantage of the sympathy card cause of the poly shooting. That’s disgusting.
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u/thehuntinggearguy 3gun, Mapleseed, YouTuber, SlamFire Radio, Revolver-hater Apr 15 '26
It's not lack of knowledge. They know they can lie and not be held to account for it.
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u/4r4nd0mninj4 Apr 15 '26
Exactly. They get "corrected" on all their posts. They absolutely KNOW what they are doing.
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u/D1ES3L_ Apr 15 '26
Its a screeching campaign based off of someones unresolved trauma over a horrific day. They can leverage that emotional response to get whatever from the public, but I've never damn seen anything about them on TV or media before I re-got into guns last year for hunting! Damn people are crazy man, the whole organization is corrupt and riddled with cancer to the core.
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u/LordRevan1996 Apr 15 '26
I think they know they don’t know, but don’t care to educate themselves. So kinda still that they lack the knowledge. But that’s arguing semantics and doesn’t matter. The important part is what you said, they know they can lie and get away with it.
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u/rastamasta45 Apr 15 '26
Does anyone do mass shootings with 10 round pinned magazines?? Like what crack are they smoking.
They definitely have to be on fent or something
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u/LordRevan1996 Apr 15 '26
Anything sounds reasonable when you have no idea what you’re talking about. Unfortunately a common problem in all politics. Lobbyists like poly are malicious tho. They probably know what they say is bullshit, but the wider populace doesn’t.
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u/sounoriginal13 Apr 15 '26
Some more details about that.Most recent shooting would be nice. Awfully quiet on that one
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u/CorsicanMastiffStrip Apr 15 '26
Misinformation cannot be given in good faith and those who campaign on bad faith don’t deserve to be given the time of day.
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u/Dummy_Wire Apr 15 '26
I wonder if they are misrepresenting the magazine limit rules due to malice, or ignorance. I wonder if a lot of it is willful, or not.
Like, clearly someone over there does have like the same understanding of firearms regulations as the average person on this subreddit, even if most of them don’t, but I wonder if inaccuracies like that are willful or not. This isn’t a “loophole” or “exception” at all. The 5-round and 10-round limits are exceptions to the rule, if anything.
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u/Ov3rReadKn1ght0wl Apr 15 '26
I'm at the stage where I wholeheartedly believe it's malice because they were the ones who pushed for the semi magazine restrictions of 5/10 way back when.
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u/thehuntinggearguy 3gun, Mapleseed, YouTuber, SlamFire Radio, Revolver-hater Apr 15 '26
They're the experts on their side and they benefit from misleading the public. Assume malice.
Just like Provost recently saying the government estimates there are 136k affected banned guns that need to be bought back. It's not accidental, they're lying on purpose.
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u/DYTREM Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
Someone should ban Poly as they are advocating:
- hatred against our group;
- denigrating our right to choose our traditional lifestyle; and
- propagating lies and deceitful information with a view to injure our good reputation.
Anyone else doing this against another group would be sued by the government and interest groups.
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u/gamercast1337 Apr 15 '26
Bro, human rights stuff like this only work in one way. Sorry to break it to ya.
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u/LordRevan1996 Apr 15 '26
That’s a hard angle to argue. It will have to be more subtle. Coming right out with those points will come off as tone deaf (because it kinda is in some respects) when there’s groups who have faced literal violence for their identity. Have to be careful not to present any comparison while still pointing out the hatred and deceit.
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u/thehuntinggearguy 3gun, Mapleseed, YouTuber, SlamFire Radio, Revolver-hater Apr 15 '26
"Theoretically"
Jesus, the lies these guys are willing to stoop to.
Semi automatic AND centerfire long guns are limited to 5. Gotta be both.
Every other long gun should theoretically have no limit.
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u/rastamasta45 Apr 15 '26
The UK is similar and some dude modified a lever action to be belt fed and it was 40 round belts
https://youtu.be/y8fDOlxM9t8?si=NqVSL5rIRSvb3vKU
Enjoy
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u/Longjumping_Deer3006 Apr 16 '26
Semi automatic AND centerfire long guns are limited to 5. Gotta be both.
What about LAR mags?
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u/goshathegreat Apr 15 '26
This makes me so fucking mad. Poly deliberately manipulates and spreads misinformation, demanding action from the liberals, while Nathalie Provost is both a liberal MP and Secretary of Nature…
And how is this not a conflict of interest?
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u/InstanceClean4114 Apr 16 '26
Watch your wording. She is the Liberals. She is a Liberal Memeber of Parliment. She is the voice on guns from them. She isn't just some outside quack.
If she leaves, someone else will take her place in the LPC and carry the torch.
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u/Whispersfine Apr 15 '26
Don’t they have better things to do?
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u/No-Veterinarian-8834 Apr 15 '26
How else are they supposed to grift and get money? They got graves to dance on and fear to spread.
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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES Apr 15 '26
They get paid something like 10-15 million dollars of TAXPAYER FUCKING MONEY a year to do this shit
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u/Crossed_Cross Apr 15 '26
Many pumps I've handled were limited to 3 to comply with waterfowl regs, some couldn't even take more than 2x 3" shells as they were made to fit 3x 2-3/4" max too tightly.
Poly's nuts.
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u/jollygreengiant1655 Apr 15 '26
On the bright side, they got absolutely destroyed in the replies. And pretty much every other thing they post. Which makes me wonder why they haven't locked down their replies like all the other unhinged groups do.
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u/JCbfd Apr 15 '26
Poly is a bunch of extremely unhinge zelots. They will never rest until every gun is banned. Thats why we must take a stand now and not comply with their bs.
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u/heimrich Apr 15 '26
Can we classify poly as a terrorist organization and have them banned
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u/rastamasta45 Apr 15 '26
Our very own public safety minister had recuse himself with all matters related to the terrorist organization the Tamil Tigers…so there’s that
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u/Ov3rReadKn1ght0wl Apr 15 '26
Do they know that their screeching in the 90s imposed a magazine limit for semis only? Or did they forget that somewhere along the way to today?
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u/Appropriate-Regret-6 Apr 15 '26
I'm gunna go on their post "Oh that's awesome, I didn't know about this. Thanks for spreading this info so I can go buy one!"
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u/Longjumping_Rain_483 Apr 15 '26
Funny enough, a couple hours after they posted this, it sold out 😂
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u/TheeDirtyToast Apr 15 '26
Did she not know the difference between an autoloading firearm and a manual action? Or maybe she's being intentionally deceptive?
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u/TheeDirtyToast Apr 15 '26
I like how magazine capacity being larger on a manual action or rimfire is a "loophole or exemption" but Carney filing Brookfield's taxes in a bike shop in Bermuda is just smart business, even though it cost Canadians over 3 billion in tax revenue.
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u/rastamasta45 Apr 15 '26
There are two possibilities, she either knows or doesn’t, both are equally terrifying.
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u/Canadian-AML-Guy Apr 15 '26
Report the posts for disinformation. They are intentionally lying about magazine capacity laws.
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u/Dill_Pickle_Tears Apr 15 '26
This is such BS. Really irks me to continuously see gun control groups comment on things they know nothing about.
The government is taking so much flak already from the general public you gotta think they’re sick of poly too.
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u/erryonestolemyname Apr 15 '26
It's really something when the anti-gun lobby knows fuck all about magazine restrictions.
They may not be pop cans, but they have the intelligence of one
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u/Frosty-Reporter7518 Apr 15 '26
When is poly going to let this go. Those people died years ago. Time to let it rest. Like beating a dead horse there is plenty of other problems going on in this country like the illegals that have yet to be deported. Leave out guns alone
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u/BlackElmyr Apr 15 '26
I love how they imply this is a breach of the law, conveniently leaving out how that doesn't apply to manual actions. Not sure if they're fiendishly clever or just ignorant as hell.
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u/wehauntthewoods Apr 15 '26
In all seriousness we should ban circumcision. Most our problems would go away.
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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES Apr 15 '26
For FUCKS sake
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u/rastamasta45 Apr 15 '26
Do you know what honestly makes me happy, the fact all these firearms are majority NR, even if Poly bans everything and convinces that moron chipmunk to do it. They’ll never get them, in fact it almost makes it better that they’re underground and hidden and disappear. It’s gun owners last fuck you to these assholes. This thought legitimately pleases me.
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u/General-Football-953 Apr 16 '26
i am appalled that it's only a 20-round mag and not a 500-round belt
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u/PumpJack_McGee Apr 16 '26
Yikes.
And the Liberals got a majority again. Even the word "gun" will be banned soon.
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u/sounoriginal13 Apr 15 '26
The fact that she doesn't understand the laws.And tags, the liberal party in it is the most concerning.
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u/Tookan_ Apr 15 '26
As if the central thing with anti gun lobby groups wasn't already ignorance, now they're too uneducated to the extent of thinking 10 is a large number.
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u/Visual-Confection400 Apr 16 '26
What are they crying because the fire arms industry is always one step ahead of them.
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u/savagewolf666 Apr 16 '26
Youre allowed two in the mag one in the chamber while hunting with a shotgun
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u/Defiant_Impact_1957 Apr 18 '26
Can someone sue them for something? They're literally lying to the government and getting policy made according to said lies. Class action suit with all gun owners effected
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u/Lagtense Apr 15 '26
“How about a pump action shotgun with a 20 round magazine”
Dude has absolute zero test
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u/Infinite_Price_3550 Apr 15 '26
Sorry if this is a stupid question but how can you have a 20 round magazine for a shotgun? Does it have something to do with it being manual action?
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u/99spider Apr 15 '26
The 5 round limit only applies to magazines for long guns that are centerfire AND semi auto.
Manual action centerfire long guns don't have any capacity limit. Neither do semi auto rimfire rifles.
The Ruger 10/22 unfortunately is interpreted as using a handgun magazine due to the existence of the Ruger Charger pistol, so it is limited to 10 despite being a rimfire rifle.
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u/Infinite_Price_3550 Apr 15 '26
Ahhh I see. I know semi auto centre fire long guns are limited to 5. I thought I had seen somewhere that even manual action shotguns had magazine limits as well. I might be getting that confused with hunting rules tho maybe now that I think about it.
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u/ReferencePage Apr 15 '26
Yes, semi automatic centerfires are limited to 5. Pump action is not semi auto.
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u/Disclosjer Apr 15 '26
That crazed waste of space Provost will never stop until she’s completely gutted and destroyed this hobby / sport.
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u/Common_End1609 Apr 16 '26
We all saw this coming. These nutcases are gonna try to go after EVERY gun with a detachable magazine.
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u/AcanthisittaNo7338 Apr 16 '26
5 rounds for semis only, but our fault that they can't understand the laws.
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u/rastamasta45 Apr 15 '26
It’s wild to know Poly is tracking FOC emails and adding more to their wish list of guns to ban, they’ll never stop until we can only have butter knives….with a permit.