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u/floydsmoot Feb 07 '23

I just hope that if PP wins a majority in the next election he does something in his promised re-write of the Firearms Act that would make it impossible to change because I guarantee you that people will get sick of him and the LPC will again run on banning everything they possibly can to gain brownie points with a naive public.

I don't know much about constitutional law, but he needs to do something like entrench private property rights and/or let the provinces set their own gun laws or we're going to go through this all again. Gun owners have been the LPC's whipping boys as far back as I can remember (and I'm old) and they certainly aren't about to give that "milch cow" up.

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u/floydsmoot Feb 07 '23

he only wins a minority

I wouldn't count on the NDP and definitely not the Bloc to support him on these reversals.

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u/BelmontKing Feb 08 '23

OIC’s are executive orders, only takes the stroke of a pen from cabinet to revoke them.

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u/floydsmoot Feb 09 '23

Then the NDP/Bloc will try to defeat them first chance they get. The NDP and especially the Bloc will never allow "scary rifles" and/or handguns in this country.

I'll even wager PP will make a deal with them not to change the OIC just to stay in government.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

People need to flood the mailboxes of CPC MPs in order to get that to happen. Can't afford to get complacent which I think could explain why we didn't see much else when Harper was around

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u/amorphoussoupcake Feb 07 '23

Exactly. We will have to put the same amounts of pressure on the conservatives that we put in to opposing the recent legislation.

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u/RydNightwish Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23

He needs to give full control over guns to the provinces. Its obviously not the perfect solution depending which province a person lives. However, I can see a future where this is the case and it is far easier to achieve than trying to get a unified national policy. There is simply too much division in the country. It will always be an urban vs rural, west vs east and quebec vs the rest. Any combination of these guarantee there will never be national unity on this. Quite frankly, the less ability quebec has to dictate how the rest of the country lives in all matters, the longer this country might survive.

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 07 '23

He needs to give full control over guns to the provinces. Its obviously not the perfect solution depending which province a person lives.

RIP to all gun owners in Quebec and Ontario I guess

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u/RydNightwish Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23

Those two provinces should be able make thier own choices WITHOUT it impacting me on the other side of the country.

Currently they are central to where the libs get the majority of support for things like the oic, handgun freeze and now dead amendments. Why should my access to and responsible usage of firearms be hindered because some in ontario and quebec dont like them?

This pipe dream of a singular national policy on guns is just that, a dream. As it stands all it will get us is more wedge issues and bans on a national scale. Let the bickering be contained and overall the anti's lose thier power and influence proportionally.

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 07 '23

I do agree with you, let the urbanites sleep tightly knowing the AR15's that were "on their streets" (spoiler alert: There are no AR15's on the streets) have now magically disappeared and let people who actually know the bare basics of guns and Canadian gun laws enjoy their lifestyle, it'd just mean I'd have to move to Alberta or something lol

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down Feb 07 '23

Quebec and BC immediately, Ontario only if Ford loses or steps down. Remember, he's the reason their ban is even federal in the first place.

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 07 '23

Remember, he's the reason their ban is even federal in the first place.

Pretty new to Canadian politics, what did Ford do that made gun bans federal?

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down Feb 07 '23

Told the Feds he wouldn't be permitting (his) municipalities to enforce a handgun ban.

Toronto/Ottawa threw a tantrum, as they do, and now here we are.

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u/SecureNarwhal Feb 07 '23

so become like the States with a patchwork of different gun laws and having to choose between your firearms and job opportunities or relationships if it means living in a province that is anti-gun?

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

This entire country is going to hit a crisis whether or not guns cause it. Either provinces become more and more independent or Ottawa is going to have to deal with more than just angry rioters. This country is too big and too different to be controlled by a government elected by urbanites.

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u/floydsmoot Feb 08 '23

That's the only thing taht will work in huge diverse countries like the US and Canada and I'll take that over what we have any day of the week,

I'd prefer what Czechia has (one law for everyone) but that's a small homogeneous country.

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u/GinnAdvent Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 08 '23

That wouldn't be good tbh, I prefer to have the same thing throughout the provinces.

It would be a difficult dilemma for many people to move to a different provinces for what they want with their firearms, while there is no guarantee that future provincial government won't change.

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u/floydsmoot Feb 08 '23

to move to a different provinces for what they want with their firearms,

That's what it is in the US and I'll take that over a total ban any day.

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u/RydNightwish Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23

Like I said its not perfect coast to coast but I see it as a more feasible prospect. Do you truly, deep in your soul see a future in which alberta, sask and qc walk hand in hand with black rifles protected via constitutional amendment? Again, easier through amendments to provincial constitutions since only one province has to vote.

Your last point is moot.There is no guarantee that federal govts wont change either and eventually a liberal majority will return and once again we will be here concerned about the next gun grab or ban. The precedent has already been set that a govt can just oic these things in. I would prefer not to have to put my guns away every 4 years while I wait for the conservatives to repeal the next oic's or bad gun legislation.

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u/GinnAdvent Feb 07 '23

I think it very much becomes a personal decision what to do when that time comes.

Meanwhile doing what I can to promote a Canadian firearm culture and educate people.

The change in government can also happen provincial or federal level and I prefer to have something that sets in stones so we didn't have to go back and forth like this and goes whatever we have slowly erode away.

Just like saying, it ain't over until the fat lady sings, so we will see what happens when we need to cross that bridge.

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u/RydNightwish Feb 07 '23

Things are only going to continue to erode if all we do is wait for something to happen on the national level. We have been waiting for 30+ years and the bans, proposed or otherwise, keep coming. Meanwhile, there is momentum within some provinces that could see real change happen. Im 33 and two of my guns have been banned twice already!

In a perfect world I want to see something at a national level but with groups like poly, the bloc and toronto having such a disproportionate grip on power in this area, Im not gonna hold my breath that it will.

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u/floydsmoot Feb 08 '23

In a perfect world I want to see something at a national level

That's what Czechia has but that's a very small country. In a huge diverse country like Canada, what the US has is about our only hope.

You're right about Quebec and the GTA holding power in this country. Until that changes, nothing will.