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u/[deleted] May 27 '22 edited May 29 '22

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u/DJ_Necrophilia May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Some things wouldn't be so bad to adopt such as pro lgbt, pro choice and pro environmental policies.

These are the big things that average Canadians care about

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

I can't fill up my truck and I'm forking over a lot more money to buy food than usual. I think these two things take more precedence over partisan issues

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u/DJ_Necrophilia May 27 '22

Justifiable, however once the war in Ukraine ends causing gas prices drop and inflation gets under control in a couple of years: Canadians will care more about the "partisan" issues again.

If the CPC cannot modernize, and wants to keep their 1950s social mindset then the party will be dead in the water. The other week, I made this same argument in the CCFR group on Facebook and got relentlessly attacked for suggesting that we try to be more friendly to trans individuals, and that going further right to recapture folks who crossed over to the PPC was the wrong course of action

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

I don't know where to begin with this. Conservative values are conservative values, liberal values are liberal values. Things like abortion are almost never going to be condeded on. I honestly don't understand how environment turned into a partisan issue but I'm theorizing it has to do with pipeline construction. Gay marriage and other lgbt issues are also other things I don't necessarily see conservative voters conceding on either. The party has changed, voters not so much.

As far as I'm aware, you're not excluded from getting a PAL if you're trans. I'm not going to derail the conversation any further but I think you're trying to label the major demographic of the gun community as something else. You're making an issue out of something that wasn't really an issue to begin with. The PPC vote splitting is a big factor as to why 2021 was lost. O Toole kept pandering and lost. Voters don't like that.

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u/drain-angel BC May 28 '22

I think you're trying to label the major demographic of the gun community as something else

This is it - especially when this conversation comes up most of the time it's just ABC voters where guns are enough of a policy position to bother them but not enough so they try to justify their political convictions that aren't backed by any reality or polling data (Harper not touching abortion for example, despite being a literal evangelical). It's the "mythical huge centrist (Neoliberal) voting bloc" meme all over again.

Also I find it funny the guy who wants MSRs banned is now replying to you. That one troll starts posting seriously, and now we get a new one. Nice.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

Yup. It's futile trying to chase after people who would never vote for you to begin with. You see it in industries everywhere; companies, artists who try to water down what they originally are known for in an attempt to capture more people. More often than not it fails in two ways. You fail to get anyone new and your original group doesn't want you anymore. I think we saw this same thing in 2021 with the PPC gaining so much traction.

And ya it is pretty funny. Fuckin "I want low recoil semi auto carbines banned" looool

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u/drain-angel BC May 28 '22

To be fair, I get where they're coming from. But it'd be a lot more honest and respectable if they'd just straight up said "I feel like another party aligns with my other interests more so I will go that way knowing that I have to give up on guns", instead of this weasel-wording bullshit.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

Nah it won't happen. People think they can the best of both worlds. Choices have consequences and they don't want to admit that

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

the values of the parties aren't static over moderate periods of time. It wasn't long ago, 70s & 80s that no party would be caught dead mentioning anything about LGBTQ or marijuana legalization. Yet here we are, it went from little public support, to broad public support.

Or federal fiscal conservatism. Broad multi party support in the 90s to basically dead since 2008ish.

Liberalism or conservatism aren't about these They might be about empathy or believing that the best days are in the past vs. the future. Pretty lousy labels either way.

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u/fltlns May 28 '22

If the cpc doesn't come around to some degree on social issues and environment, they will never win again.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

So your ideal version of the conservatives is to be what the LPC was 10 years ago? Yeah, no.
Another commenter said the CPC are going to be Liberal-lite if they keep following what O'Toole did. The CPC lost even though the months leading up to the election predicted a win. I don't understand this fascination of wanting the CPC to transform into yet another left-wing party.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

Yup. Selling out your ideals to appeal to a non-existent voting bloc is futile and only makes the country worse off.

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u/fltlns May 28 '22

Because I want them to win and to keep my guns. Abortion, gay marriage and environmental opinions in this country are set in stone, they will never change and people who oppose them are so far in the minority its ironic. The Cpc lost despite leading because of climate change, because of the subset that refused to acknowledge its existence, just fucking pretend for a while then do nothing like every other politician on the planet. Besides those aren't even real left right issues their authoritarian vs libertarian/ North South issues, of which ill always favor more individual freedom, even if I don't agree with it. They couldn't win despite a split left vote. Something needs to change or the new 2 party system will be ndp and libs and well be registering our forks.

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u/bilbo79 al May 28 '22

That page is fucking cancer, I love what the CCFR is doing but man the comments on there