r/canadaguns • u/[deleted] • Jul 27 '26
Application / Regulation advice [ Removed by moderator ]
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u/WonkyTusky Jul 27 '26
Just take them. Theres no more registry so no one knows who has nr firearms anymore. As long as ur allowed to be in possession
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u/Reelair Jul 27 '26
New rules say you must confirm PAL is valid. Not sure how that works if uncle's PAL isn't valid.
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u/Major-Ad-4288 Jul 27 '26
hes not purchasing them . if op is in possession of the new riffles you are good to go
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u/Reelair Jul 27 '26
I assumed transferring ownership would require verification, just like selling a gun.
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u/GinnAdvent Jul 27 '26
I am not sure why you are focusing so much on a technicality.
If OP uncle was a firearm owner, and he has own those firearms for past 10 years or longer, then he owns the firearms.
If his PAL expires, it just means that he legally can't possess any firearms, but those still belongs to him and it would be ideal to transfer them to someone that has valid firearms. I mean there are other ways to prove that's his such as receipts and photos but honestly that's just abit too much.
A PAL verification would be for, if you intend to transfer firearms to someone that you don't know, and no background history.
It would also be a bit pointless to get the uncle to redo the course and get the PAL active again just to transfer them to someone else.
There is also estate sale, where no one in the family that has PAL, but it's still in their possession. Would they have to go get PALs as well just to sell them firearms? Mostly likely either give them to auction, or do PAL verifications to make sure any person they don't know is a valid PAL holder.
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u/Xyzzics Jul 27 '26
They are yours now.
Many a grandpa never had a license and just kept their firearms. The government doesn’t even know they exist, especially for non reg.
Take them, care for them and store them properly, congrats.
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u/Cre_AK47 Name Prohibited by OIC Jul 27 '26
Legally, I can not advise on you what to do. What I would do personally as others have suggested, is to just take ownership of them. Reference Numbers didn't exist when your family member bought them so... The gov doesn't know anything about them, who owns them, who bought them...
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u/Vintage_Pieces_10 Jul 27 '26
3-4 years ago the reference numbers and all that didn’t exist for non restricted transfers. So for all the govt knows, he transferred those 3-4 years ago to you when the numbers weren’t mandatory… hint hint
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u/yup-tup Jul 27 '26
You can just take the non restricted firearms without notifying anyone. If it was a sale between any two people, the seller would need to use the RCMP website to check that the buyer's pal is valid. The same thing happens when you buy a gun at the store.
I'm pretty sure anyone can use that website not just pal holders. You are notified when someone checks your pal. I'd have the person who is giving you the firearms do this check and then the transaction is by the book.
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u/ptv83 Jul 27 '26
Partially off-topic since OP was already answered and it's not uncommon to wonder what should/may happen to family firearms after someone passes away.
If an Estate executor doesn't have a PAL they are allowed to take possession of the firearms (NR, R and Prohib) and keep them in storage for as long as it takes to execute the wishes of the Will or the interests of the Trustees in benefit of the Will.
If someone's father/uncle/grandmother/whomever has firearms, their choice in executors doesn't have to accommodate having a PAL or not.
Edit: i do know someone who was in this situation, after a year they got their RPAL just to keep storing them because most of the estate would soon be settled and while there's no legal time limit, the crown may have a case to make against you if the entire estate is settled and you still have the firearms.
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u/mr_cake37 Jul 27 '26
I went through something similar with my wife's grandfather. All he had was a Saskatchewan hunter's permit (long expired) and he hadn't been keeping up with the law for decades. He had a bunch of rifles and a pistol tucked in a closet. The pistol had a pre-1995 paper registration. When I found out about the situation, I offered to take possession of his firearms and get things sorted with the CFP so he could avoid any legal issues. He wasn't interested in getting a PAL and going through all the hoops, so he agreed.
I just called the CFP and explained the situation to the agent (wife's family member had guns; they are currently in my possession; please help me get things squared away). The agent was very helpful, and they told me their main concern is just making sure everyone's within the law, not so much about penalizing people. Importantly, we did this as a call on speakerphone so the agent could ask grandad identifying questions and confirm he was consenting to it all.
This happened before the handgun freeze, so we got his pistol transferred to me. The rest was NR so not a big deal. I was able to sell everything he didn't want to keep, and the rest got passed to my wife once she obtained her PAL.
Things might be different now, but that was my experience, circa 2018 ish.
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u/Conscious_Bid_8762 Jul 28 '26
I think someone’s having a valid pal compared to someone having a expired one ? Which would the rcmp rather own these firearms ? I would take them and say thanks you
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u/Major-Performance999 Jul 28 '26
If its a non restricted long gun, throw em in some gun case's and bring em home to the safe.
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u/NorthernArbiter Jul 27 '26
I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice…
But all the RCMP requires for nonrestricted guns is that you verify the seller or family member has a pal. In your case the pal expired recently, thats fine.
Just take the guns. They are non restricted so the RCMP has no idea who has them.
No, you do not have to tell the RCMP the specific make, model, or serial number of a non-restricted firearm when you buy it. However, the seller or store must verify that your Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) is valid through the RCMP Individual Web Services portal to get a transfer reference number before completing the sale. (This makes no sense in my opinion)
Buying from a Business
PAL Verification: The store checks your licence online to ensure it is valid.
No Specific Gun Data Sent: The store receives a reference number; they do not report the specific firearm details to the RCMP during this check.
Business Records: Licensed retailers are required to keep their own internal sales records—including the make, model, serial number, and your PAL details—for 20 years, which the government can access under specific legal conditions.
Buying in a Private Sale
PAL Verification: The seller must contact the RCMP's Canadian Firearms Program or use the online portal to verify that your PAL is valid and get a reference number before handing over the gun.
No Registration: The specific details of the non-restricted long gun or shotgun are not registered with the federal government.
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u/lucky644 Jul 27 '26
I’m not sure what the issue is. Just physically go to his house and take them. If you want make him write up a receipt or something to prove you own them now.
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u/z00animal Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
Is a notice of transfer for non-restricted still required or is that only if you’re buying and selling? Is gifting (giving) here considered selling?
If it’s just any transfer unconditionally, then even if you’re under the same roof, it seems you still need to submit a transfer reference number.
What about between the spouses? Can you jointly own a non-restricted.
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u/GinnAdvent Jul 27 '26
Well, assume it's non restricted, then I don't see why you need references number. You both live at the same address, you both know each other has PAL. I thinking sharing a firearm is non issue.
If you have restricted, the even the firearm is registered to the same house, but it's to a different person. So technically, the one moving the firearm should be that person unless permission is given via lending process which the CFO need to know. Technically.
Unless divorce or separation happens and you still live in the same household, then I assume the firearm would belong to someone legally, but you might have to provide proof of ownership like purchasing receipt. But there isn't anyway for CFOs to know that without some evidence that it's property of someone specifically.
If you want to be sure, just to talk to a lawyer or CFO about that, at least you can record the conversation to reference it as a source.
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u/z00animal Jul 27 '26
While they are not registered to an owner there seems to be the notion of ownership which requires having valid PAL that can only be verified through the transfer notice system.
A transfer notice doesn’t necessarily mean the transfer has taken or will take place. The whole transfer notice needs to be reworded. It should just be a valid PAL verification system and drop the whole buyer/seller verbiage.
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