r/canadaguns • u/WasPremeditatedOK • May 25 '26
Buy recommendations Watch my local gunsmith make 200$
This is the second time this happens (after 500 rounds and +115 rounds after that).
Because I re-screwed the picatinny rail screws and added blue loctite myself (which wasn't done from the factory), I've voided the warrant for this component according to Stoeger Canada. So basically I can't screw in my own loose screws without voiding warranty on the screws and threads.
I was gonna recommend all Beretta 1301 owners to loctite their thread when they buy their brand new shotgun, but I can't even properly recommend that.
Fml
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u/Wind_0f_Pain May 25 '26
It's the posture. The posture is the problem.
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u/WasPremeditatedOK May 25 '26
My posture is ass. My gunsmith friend even told me. But it's my first gun and I'm new to shooting ok! 😭
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u/Wind_0f_Pain May 25 '26
You will get it sorted out. It takes a little time and a good friend nearby to remind you to “lean forward!”
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u/ryanmh27 May 26 '26
That's a bad case of chick-lean if I've ever seen it.
Most people do it when they're starting out, you'll figure it out.
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u/High_rise_guy May 26 '26
Also consider a “centreline hold.”In short, you’re placing the butt inside your right pectoral muscle and squaring your torso to the target. The energy goes into your centre of mass rather than off to one side.
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u/mr_cake37 May 25 '26
This is a good reminder for all of us to check for screws that have come loose. After I torque my stuff, I'll put witness marks on everything. It's cheap insurance.
YMMV but I will inspect all my witness marks during cleaning or battery changes, whichever comes first.
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u/WasPremeditatedOK May 25 '26
That's honestly what I'm hoping this post accomplishes. Good reminders and advice for any noobies that come across this post. Im not looking to light a fire under anyone's/manufacturer's ass
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u/WasPremeditatedOK May 25 '26
Thanks for the advice. My local gunsmith will check the threads and see if they need to be redone. They also guarantee their work, so if it pops off again they will fix it. So after this, hopefully no issue. Also, its possible the threads and or screws were slightly damaged the first failure, which lead to the second failure? Can’t know for sure now i guess
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u/RedMulbery May 25 '26
FYI the metal Beretta uses for their screws is very soft and will strip easily. Ask me how I know. I had my gunsmith replace them with a higher quality screw than the OEM product after mine had to get drilled out.
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u/Spydude84 May 26 '26
I would prefer the screw to strip instead of the reciever.
- TM22 Owner who's screw removed the threads from the gun.
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u/Competitive_Cow7583 May 26 '26
So this is the exact reason I will
Always
Replace screws if I have to remove them. Especially in the case of fine thread pitch and small diameter screws
The beretta uses an m4-0.7 screw. Be sure
You’re using high quality new screws anytime
You remove a red dot or a rail from your receivers.I order mine in bulk from McMaster-Carr
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u/SJHardware May 31 '26
100% do not re use screws . Also for us in the gun biz, we have seen 100,s of failures wirh the 1301/a300 on rails and sights. We just finished a level 2 tactial shotgun operators course and 2 of the 1301 lost sight screws or rails.
It looks like a fa they issue. When we work on these we are seeing oil in the thread holes thrn they instal the screws. Sometimes with thread locker some times without. Who is your gunsmith. On a side note, That optics is grossly over sized forcthe little rail on the 1301
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u/Norwest May 25 '26
Aren't loctite 243 and 242 identical strength? I thought the only difference is that 243 is more forgiving of contaminants like oil on the threads prior to curing.
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u/therowdyirishman May 25 '26
I've heard rumblings online from others that had similar issues when mounting heavier/larger optics on their 1301s. I know this PSA is arriving too late but I'd stick with a micro dot or T2 footprint optic instead. They work better with the OEM stock and being able to still get a decent cheek weld.
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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 May 26 '26
This is what i came to say.
Throw the picatinny rail out. If your mounting to it, especially with an optic like OP is using your not getting good cheak weld.
I would get a CROM and which ever dot its cut for and then you get rid of the OEM rear site as well.
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u/BrotherLefthand May 25 '26
Let's see the warranty agreement that says you can't screw on a sight rail. I'd love to see what a lawyer thinks about that BS.
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u/Wiggum13 May 25 '26
At least we know 499 rounds is the limit before a re-torque.
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u/WasPremeditatedOK May 25 '26
The rear sight was also wobbling off, tho it hadn't flown off yet. Since i added loctite to that piece as well, it hasnt budged. But i guess the wait of my red-dot was too much for my rail vs the polymer rear sight
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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 May 26 '26
The rear sight and picatinny are not great. Get a CROM cut for a red dot.
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May 26 '26
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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 May 26 '26
Co-witness Ready Optic Mount.
Aridus and GG&G make them for various optics
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May 26 '26
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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 May 26 '26
Its a way better way to mount the optic and the ghost ring us perfect cowitness. You can also get a get these with a half moon aperture instead of the full ghost ring.
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u/vARROWHEAD May 25 '26
Did you torque it?
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u/WasPremeditatedOK May 25 '26
I'll be honest brotha, I didn't torque it to a specific spec, I just made it not too tight, not too loose. But it wouldn't have mattered warranty wise because "Once a customer either removes / installs parts or does anything with any type of fastener or part on a firearm that leads to failure. The warranty on those parts is then voided."
Maybe if i had torqued it exactly to spec, it wouldn't have flown off the second time. Oh well, live and learn.
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u/Canadian-AML-Guy May 25 '26
"Once a customer either removes / installs parts or does anything with any type of fastener or part on a firearm that leads to failure. The warranty on those parts is then voided."
Is that actually in the warranty, or just some shit a rep told you, because if thats in the documents thats insane. Its a screw, not a complex piece of machinery. You might need to remove the rail to clean your firearm, this isn't some exotic disassembly. You should be able to disassemble a firearm to the bones and reassemble without issue
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u/BrotherLefthand May 25 '26
By that wording dissasembling your firearm to clean it, reassembling it, then experiencing a failure down the road could void your warranty. There ain't no way.
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u/WasPremeditatedOK May 25 '26
I agree. This is what a rep told me by email. But ill look at the fine print of the beretta warranty later this evening. Thanks for the advice 🙏
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u/Canadian-AML-Guy May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
I just read their warranty and it says nothing about screws, so that is information they are witholding from the customer. Maybe the 1301 manual says different but the warranty sure doesn't.
Edit:
THE MANUFACTURER AND/OR ITS LOCAL OFFICIAL DISTRIBUTOR(S) ASSUME NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR PRODUCT MALFUNCTION OR FOR PHYSICAL INJURY OR PROPERTY DAMAGE RESULTING IN WHOLE OR IN PART FROM CRIMINAL OR NEGLIGENT USE OF THE PRODUCT, IMPROPER OR CARELESS HANDLING, UNAUTHORIZED MODIFICATIONS, https://www.stoegercanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Beretta-2022.pdf
I don't understand how disassembling a rail could be an unauthorized modification.
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u/vARROWHEAD May 25 '26
I would definitely recommend torquing things like this. And after it happened the first time, checking the torque after 100 rounds
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u/NaiveTension4164 May 25 '26
I’m assuming you torqued the screws down aswell and not just use a screwdriver and hope it’s good cause blue Loctite and a good torquing and that should never happened I’ve got a pic rail and sight on my sxp torqued the screws down and added blue Loctite never had an issue gone about 400 rds through it so far not loose and is secure as ever
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u/iNeedAdivorce May 25 '26
Mk ight have over torqued. Might be a shit gun.
That bad shooting posture didn't cause it.
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u/WasPremeditatedOK May 25 '26
Not a shit gun I believe. But I still need to improve that posture. Otherwise I'll be needing a chiropractor like that other comment said lol
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u/iNeedAdivorce May 25 '26
I'm just saying there can be a dud in any batch of anything. I've seen overboard screw holes more than Once in my gun buying life
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u/WasPremeditatedOK May 25 '26
Very true. From what I've heard, Beretta doesn't loctite from the factory. So they definitely should to avoid failures like this imo
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u/Azndude50 May 25 '26
That sucks, OP. Was out today with my 1301 for the first time, put about 200 rounds through it, everything stayed on, no wiggle from the optic or surefire light.
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u/WasPremeditatedOK May 25 '26
But now you know to watch out, especially if you have a red dot. Enjoy your new shotty
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u/Prior-Radio8346 May 26 '26
The one only problem I have with beretta isn't the possibility of it needing warranty work, it's that said warranty has to go through Stoeger.
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u/External_Big_2982 May 26 '26
I had the worst experience with Stoeger out of all warranty centers. Try emailing Beretta directly and see what they say.
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u/pte_shit_bag May 26 '26
Unpopular opinion, you should be checking every gun you buy and Doing things like locktighting and de greasing every part, ,
a quick pre fire check will safe you massive headaches down the road, especially with rails or for ends on basically any firearm give it a quick clean and retorque with some of the blue or your prefered thread locker and have the piece of mind,
The odds of a few guns being iffy out of a big box manufacturer cranking out thousands of these things a month is pretty high, even for the premium brands, you can tell the difference between a gun made Monday and a gun made Friday afternoon ;)
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u/therealchrisredfield May 26 '26
The rail on the 1301 is garbage...even if you get an aftermarket one there really isnt a great way to get those screws tight without it impeding on the action or making disassembly impossible. Best solution i found is the chisel machining stock has a mount for a red dot which is behind the sights and off the top of the barrel.
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u/DougMacRay617 May 25 '26
Pro tip, you dont need a giant red dot for a shotgun
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u/WasPremeditatedOK May 25 '26
But it's so nice with the circle dot! And I ain't no pro for sure
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u/therowdyirishman May 26 '26
You can get the Eotech size circle dot (60+ moa) in something as small as the SCRS or T2 clones. Alternatively the Holosun micro size (32moa) ring in almost all of their pistol optics. The smaller optic window will also force you to be more consistent with your cheek weld. This will likely refine your natural POA and improve recoil control in the process. Dedicated/direct low mount options are available for these styles of dots too. I started with a 509T first then moved on to HS503CU.
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u/EscapeChance823 May 25 '26
I always buy guns thru gunpost and never needed the warranty.. but what if I buy a 1301 from there.. does the warranty transfer
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u/1CAMFURY May 26 '26
I would re-thread for a slightly larger screw/thread pattern (or take it to someone who can if you're not comfortable)
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u/plushta Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
A shotgun blast is powerful, but the receiver and bolt contain the explosion and the bolt flys back at full force to what suppose to be a smooth 'ride' backwards.
In the video, as you shoot the red dot goes flying and you should ask yourself, why.
My guess is that your screws were too long, like many many many occurrences I have observed on this sub. Because they were too long they were pushing against the barrel extension (the part of the barrel that goes into the receiver) that puts tension on both the screws and the barrel.
Once you shoot the bolt fly backwards and instead of smooth ride back there is resistance from the screws. However due to the force of the blast it overcame whatever pressure was on that barrel and blasted the screws away.
My guess that if your screws were shorter this wouldn't have happened.
After rewatching you can see the sequence.
It's not - the whole thing exploded at once and the red dot flew.
It's more 1. Blast 2. Bolt goes backwards and red dot flys at the same time which confirms it
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u/cumbrad May 25 '26
stoeger shotgun
yeah that’s your problem
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u/Canadian-AML-Guy May 25 '26
Its a Beretta 1301. I imagine stoeger Canada is managing warranty work from whatever retailer he purchased it from
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u/WasPremeditatedOK May 25 '26
Stoeger just handles warranty claims for certain brands in Canada. That's all
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u/BusinessObjective965 May 25 '26
Stoeger Canada handles support for most European brands.
Beretta, Benelli, Sako, Tikka and Franchi to name a few. All great quality brands.
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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 May 25 '26
Stoeger Canada is the importer and distributor of Beretta, Benelli, Sako, Tikka, and a couple other brands owned by Beretta Group.
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u/SecretUse2150 May 25 '26
Feels like a troll post… why dont you show the shot before? And everything is about my gunsmith this and that and next time
Ill get a torque wrench from the gunsmith he warranty the work ect ..
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u/WasPremeditatedOK May 25 '26
Not a troll post. Im trying to engage in conversations for anyone that stumbles on this post and learns something new... As for the video, I have a 45 second slow-motion only video, but I cut it down to make it better for the post (attention spans as short while scrolling).
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u/SecretUse2150 May 25 '26
ok so you should resume the description... do it well the first time or you will need a gunsmith.. because the way i read it ...is that beretta dont warranty deffect when you screw things on using the default hanker points (is that what we supposed to learn?) then i went threw the chat and learned of your cut corner installations... lack of torque wrench.. and blame it on them for not providing warranty for your mishap.
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u/WasPremeditatedOK May 25 '26 edited May 26 '26
I aint blaming anyone. The lesson is: torque and loctite your stuff from the factory. I fucked up and now hopefully people learn from my mistakes and maybe get a chuckle at my small misfortune. Its being taken care of by a professional now. As for my complaint about the warranty, it doesn't matter whether I torqued it in correctly or whatever, there claim is the moment anyone put the screws on themselves, the warranty for those parts are voided. So if for ANY reason you re-tight those screws (which they don't loctite from the factory, so this will happen to everyone no matter if they have a red dot if given enough rounds) your warranty is voided? That just doesn't seem right. This post serves as a PSA i guess? Idk man I'm just a guy on the internet
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u/EnggyAlex Alex's Homebrew May 25 '26
you forgot to slap the sight and say"That aint going anywhere."