r/canadaguns • u/YosemiteSam357 • Mar 27 '26
News / Politics / Activism Wellness check to losing your license/collection
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u/NEUMANN-METALWORKS Neumann Metalworks Mar 27 '26
This is the long term plan for confiscation. They're going to make them illegal and if the cops check your premises for ANY reason (even if you're not involved) you're in deep trouble. I see it all the time, cops arrest someone for some completely unrelated reason and all of a sudden their collection is displayed on the RCMP facebook page like some spoils of war.
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u/Sma11ey Mar 27 '26
Care to share some examples? I have not seen anything like that recently. All the big “busts” that were somewhat unrelated were drug related and just so happens they are in unlawful possession of a bunch of firearms. I can’t remember where someone was arrested for something really dumb, had all their legally owned and stored firearms confiscated and paraded around as if they were a mass shooter.
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u/YosemiteSam357 Mar 27 '26
Had it happen to a friend, crazy drunk chick called the cops on him. They seized everything after arresting him even though he was never charged with anything. He spent months and did eventually get them back but the whole thing was insane.
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u/833psz Mar 28 '26
It’s not that insane. I had mine taken after false accusations were made against me by my ex-wife who was pissed when our kids chose me over her.
Depending on the exact circumstance, it can take a while for the investigation to conclude and/or the crown to decide whether to move forward. Once thats all resolved, there is some work that needs to be done by the police force storing the guns to confirm the matter is resolved and check with the RCMP CFP to ensure they aren’t intending to investigate themselves. Some police forces have mandatory waiting periods after everything is resolved before they will release firearms. It’s a complex situation but, at least in my case, everyone was professional and willing to work with me. The police even ensured I got my prohibs back despite the CFP being pretty wishy washy on the matter of issuing an ATT for them.
I even got a bunch of free MDT chamber flags out of it lol
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u/YosemiteSam357 Mar 28 '26
I totally agree a lot of these situations are complex and the extra time to figure everything out is needed.. in this particular situation the insane part to me was apparently the guys on scene made it pretty clear they knew he hadn’t done anything and she was saying wild shit that couldn’t be true… but still went through with it.
Maybe it was mandatory policy, has always bothered me though. Granted I wasn’t there and heard it from him but in the 20 years I’ve known him he’s always been a straight shooter, won’t even exaggerate his stories to make them interesting lol
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u/NEUMANN-METALWORKS Neumann Metalworks Mar 27 '26
This is not the kind of stuff that makes the news. You have to follow in-person, local happenings or local groups, often the RCMP pages themselves. I cannot find the most recent one I can think of cause the page that shared it closed down. Anyhow, the news posts are from the RCMP Facebook pages themselves, when they do their little display things.
Farmer in PEI got RCMP called on him by disgruntled neighbour or something. Reports that he had explosives in his storage shed. He had some components for making explosives, sure... the kind of stuff that would be on any farm, basic chemicals. RCMP confiscated this stuff, and took his .22LR gopher guns. Charged with manufacturing explosives or some shit, guns taken away. The way they worded the story and displayed his little .22LR guns made it sound like he was a terrorist threat, dude was just some farmer.
Even this story we're looking at here, this is probably not a bad guy... was a "wellness check", they find him in his bedroom alone in "medical distress" then take all of his shit. He has a large collection, probably one of the only things he cares about, and now he's been slapped with weapons charges, as if this is going to make his life any better. Dude's gonna kill himself the second he gets the chance.
This is a quote from the article itself: "When members are in a location with lawful authority, even if that authority is not about conducting a criminal investigation, if information and evidence gathered related directly to criminal activity, it can be used to support criminal proceedings. Given the nature of the seizure, members submitted reports to Crown to seek several firearms charges and for a prohibition and disposition order for all the firearms."
If you have ANY sort of illegal firearm on your premises you need to keep your nose 110% clean. If the cops come snooping around for any reason even if you're not involved you risk getting your entire collection taken. The RCMP does not have the manpower to go door to door collecting firearms... but they could definitely whittle away at people's collections over the next 20 years. The Liberals know, they aren't stupid, they're mischievous.
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Mar 28 '26
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u/NEUMANN-METALWORKS Neumann Metalworks Mar 28 '26
No don't think so, this guy was just charged for the "explosives"
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u/AntiNakedman Mar 29 '26
Don’t have illegal firearms, store your firearms properly. Follow the law. Seems like it’s not that hard. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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u/Who_Am_AI_YouTube Mar 27 '26
Basically seized a collector’s collection. Nothing nefarious about that stash.
But to a liberal that is more terrifying than criminals on bail
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u/MustardTiger88 Mar 28 '26
A couple shotguns, bolt-actions, some semi-auto's we were allowed for a time. My first thought was, "this guys got a collection going". But to anyone who doesn't know a thing about firearms, they'd think this guy is nuts.
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u/Late_Winner6859 Mar 27 '26
Ironically this single haul has almost the same number of guns as Gary managed to squeeze out of the whole Cape Brenton
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u/vivzzie Mar 27 '26
Reminds me of the case in Vancouver with the elderly man who had 174 firearms seized. Mostly WW2 firearms but they weren’t stored safely. He was also of poor physical and mental health.
Large quantities of legally owned firearms are more common than you think. At my height of collecting, I had more than 40 but less than 60, now I have dwindled it down more than 60% to just precision / hunting rifles and shotguns and handguns.
One thing to not fuck around with is safe storage. Puts a bad name on all of us for improper storage.
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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 Mar 28 '26
To be fair, it does sound like he had two firearms out when they entered, my question would be is that unsafe storage if he was home with the guns. Obviously if he was having a mental health crisis there is a legitimate concern here, but there are times that we all have our firearms out of the safe and if the police enter your home they could argue you weren't storing them properly.
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u/vivzzie Mar 28 '26
Yes, I 100% agree with you on that point. That can def constitute as improper storage. Sometimes when I’m working on mines, I have them out for 6-8 hours before they’re back in the safe. If the RCMP were to come to my home during one of those times of maintenance, I’d have to prove myself and hopefully avoid the chaos.
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u/IGnuGnat Mar 28 '26
I assume any half decent lawyer would argue that during routine maintenance, the firearms are "in use". You have to be able to take your firearms out of storage to use them and maintain them, and stroke them gently, lubricate and oil them properly, and just have some alone time and whisper sweet nothings
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u/Slip-49a Mar 31 '26
Correct me if I'm wrong but storing non-restricted just requires having a trigger lock, right? If you can openly display them with a trigger lock, how could someone argue it's improper storage if they're not in a safe? Of course assuming no ammo nearby.
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u/YosemiteSam357 Mar 28 '26
Man I haven’t know the exact number I have for at least a decade now lol… always went with more than a dozen, less than a hundred, somewhere in the middle I’d reckon.
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u/Wokeforpepe Mar 27 '26
As far as I am concerned that’s theft. Yes come into my home and immediately confiscate my property.
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u/No-Transportation843 Mar 27 '26
How are they unsecured if he was home? Couldn't be make the case that he was going to clean them?
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u/ItchYouCannotReach Mar 27 '26
This guy probably tried to kill himself. That's usually how this happens.
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u/jollygreengiant1655 Mar 27 '26
Is it just me, or does reporting on anything firearms related seem to be a bit more balanced now? They dedicated a decent chunk of space in the article to say that this "large" amount of firearms isn't out of the ordinary or necessarily criminal activity.
Then again that could just be to keep the reactionaries quiet.
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u/Afrocowboyi Mar 28 '26
Licensed PAL holders cannot acquire "weapons". Only tools for hunting and sporting purposes. Only police have weapons.
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u/IronAnt762 Mar 28 '26
No victim, no crime. So where was the victim? The man had a gun collection and worked his whole life for the coin to do so. Nobody; absolutely nobody should be able to take that property from this man. The man charged is now a victim. There was no reason to take a sick person’s property.
Way to serve and protect the s out of him.
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u/RockSalt-Nails Mar 29 '26
Police are NOT your friend. I don't even care if the few in here want to claim otherwise.
When your paycheck becomes threatened you become the enemy. There are absolutely no good cops.
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u/osmda Mar 28 '26
Obviously not enough public yet to know why they were deemed insecure but like, if you don’t obey the rules, yes you lose your guns idk why this seems so shocking to yall lol. This possibility was clearly laid out for me when I got my RPAL. Guns are a privilege not a right
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u/YosemiteSam357 Mar 28 '26
Ahh so if I’m home swapping accessories on some guns or cleaning a bunch after a range day and have a medical emergency where police respond for whatever reason… I should be criminally charged, have all my firearms seized and license revoked? That sounds like a reasonable application of the law to you?
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u/osmda Mar 28 '26
Realistically, if they were being cleaned then no that doesn’t sound like a reasonable application. But I can’t tell you how many people I’ve seen who keep them stored in open air in a corner of their house, or just the closet or something. Even loaded. Imo there should be nuance around it to an extent especially considering a medical emergency. Getting a warrant for search and seizure of firearms does not bode well for the odds of safe storage in my honest opinion
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u/Ok-Onion-3102 Mar 27 '26
"During the search, the members found much more than anticipated: A total 24 firearms, a flamethrower, […]" A flamethrower seems like a lot of fun but don’t know where you could use this legally in Liberal Canada.
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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Mar 27 '26
Flamethrowers are not firearms and is not regulated by firearm regulations altogether.
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u/airchinapilot Mar 27 '26
flamethrowers are used industrially. I don't know if you need a license for that. I see road crews use them
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u/Immediate_Magician62 Mar 28 '26
Those handheld things are hardly even legitimate flamethrowers. Flamethrowers throw napalm, thats a big torch.
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Mar 28 '26 edited May 06 '26
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u/Immediate_Magician62 Mar 28 '26
It absolutely is. Its in the photo. Middle right with a thumbhole stock and white foreend
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u/bombhills Mar 27 '26
Prohibited after purchase? Unsecured how? Abiding by NR storage laws? As the prohib could be legally stored?