r/canadaguns • u/N714YQ • Feb 26 '26
Application / Regulation advice If push comes to shove - destruction question
I have absolutely no intention of forfeiting my working AR15 to the state.
That being said, if it comes down to the wire and they start leaning on us even harder as October 30 approaches, are they expecting to steal intact, working rifles?
Because I have a chop saw, and will cut my rifle into pieces and bring the scraps in a bag to the cop shop. Because fuck ’em is why.
Being the dickhead statists they are, you would probably have to make sure that the scraps have a “trigger lock” and are enclosed in a locked hard sided container.
Any thoughts?
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Feb 26 '26
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u/MrWrock Feb 26 '26
I have a Smith and Wesson FPC. The reciever is essentially a buffer tube with a serial number. If I cut it in half, I'd never be able to cycle the action but I could place a round in the chamber then stick the bolt in I think. I guess the bolt would shoot out the back with the receiver chopped but the gun would still fire. Does destroying the firearm require making it unable to fire or can I simply fuck up the reciever and call it deactivated?
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u/AdditionalLoss7274 Feb 26 '26
There are very specific requirements for a firearm to be considered deactivated. I don't have it right in front of me (google it), but you need to drill the chamber, and weld a rod down the barrel, and weld the bolt shut. Might be more required as well.
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u/613mitch Feb 26 '26
Deactivated is not the same as destroyed. No one is asking about how to deactivate their firearm.
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u/AdditionalLoss7274 Feb 27 '26
Guy I was responding to literally ended his response with "...and call it deactivated".
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u/Ambitious_Joke6146 Feb 26 '26
& that’s previously restricteds ?
If hypothetically: John Doe had a Non restricted like the GSG… which became prohibited.
Other than the bill of sale, there’s no evidence John Doe still owns the GSG.
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Feb 26 '26
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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 Feb 27 '26
Good thing I destroyed mine before they were prohibited, I hate guns so much I buy them just to chop them up
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u/Ambitious_Joke6146 Feb 26 '26
My apologies, I mean regardless of it being destroyed.
If a Previously NR’d isn’t reported to the buy back program, the Gov, wouldn’t know about it?
Meaning it’s not registered etc etc
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u/OnlyGayIfYouCum Feb 27 '26
Especially if John Doe bought it off a dude in a Canadian tire parking lot without so much as a PAL reference check done by the seller.
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u/Ambitious_Joke6146 Feb 27 '26
Hey, In Canada, It’s only Illegal if it’s legal !
If you do something illegally illegal… it’s actually legal !
Tell that to corruption !
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u/FromDeepestFathom Feb 26 '26
The upper matters in Canada??
Every day this country blows my mind a little bit more.
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u/outline8668 Feb 27 '26
Doesn't the legislation just say I needs to be reported to a peace officer? I wonder what happens if you call your local police, report it to a cop and record the call. It's nothing they want to deal with but I believe you have satisfied the law.
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Feb 26 '26
The upper is not a firearm, there's no legal duty to report anything to do with it. Your comment is bad legal advice.
Edit: If you think otherwise, please cite the law that requires you to report the destruction of a prohibited device.
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u/ImpossibleWitness505 Feb 26 '26
Do you have to send proof?
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Feb 26 '26
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u/China_bot42069 Feb 26 '26
Did you see runkles video? As well this would be pretty easy for us to”techy” people to by pass. I’m only speaking in hypothetical/what if terms
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Mar 01 '26
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u/China_bot42069 Mar 01 '26
Yes same if I didn’t have young kids and a wife I wouldn’t care but with those people know way I’m putting my family in harms way or stress
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Feb 26 '26
There is no legal requirement to send proof. If they ask, tell them to speak with your lawyer.
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u/rastamasta45 Feb 26 '26
Absolutely agree with your sentiment and I am in the same boat, however, I believe they’ll extend the amnesty again.
It’s coming down to who blinks first and I think it’ll be the government.
They still have method to even collect the damn things and the entire country has now distanced itself from this program and want out.
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u/Standing_At_The_Edge Feb 26 '26
While I would like to believe that, I feel the liberals will not extend it, they would rather make us all criminals since none of us would vote for them anyway. They don’t give two craps about making 2 millions people criminals, they will do it, then track down and prosecute a handful of higher profile people and know that that will be enough to get the majority to comply
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u/rastamasta45 Feb 26 '26
I mean sure, possible. But this country can’t even track violent criminals that are up for deportation, 10,000 are now classified as missing.
We can’t even put murderers and rapists in prison. Murders are actually getting cases thrown out due to how back logged the courts are.
One dude who was convicted of rape in Ontario had his sentence thrown out because his sentencing hearing was delayed more than 2 years.
For the LPC to say “we’ve now decided every court in Canada will now shut down to only target law abiding gun owners” not sure that will go well.
Remember they’ll also have to arrest half the police and military too.
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u/geo-desik Feb 26 '26
That's because they don't want to go after murderers and rapists that would be scary and probably racists. They gladly round up compliant citizens tho.
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u/No-Transportation843 Feb 27 '26
In anarcho tyrrany murderers and rapists are tools of the state. They want them out. But dissenters are enemies and will be thrown in prison
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u/WestEasterner Feb 27 '26
Remember, for those to be deported, they are actual criminals. Gun owners aren't.
Second, as far as court goes, and procedure and sentencing.. It's not the risk of jail time that'll kill ya.. It's the $30-100k lawyer bill. And with federal court charges taking roughly 3 years to work their way through court, that's a long time for your life to be turned upside down. Jobs will be lost, marriages broken..
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u/WestEasterner Feb 27 '26
I'm less confident. Libs being Libs have no problem with sucking the dongs of Polywhatever. Revoking PALs is a simple matter and that is a very heavy hammer. But the optics that they'd get from it might secure them pearl-clutcher votes for an eternity.
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u/satansnacks Feb 26 '26
I believe you are legally allowed/entitled to destroy your own rifle, and I dont think you have a legal responsibility to prove it beyond reporting it destroyed.
Runkle of the Bailey has touched on that a few times on his channel.
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u/satansnacks Feb 26 '26
Of course if you report it destroyed and its not- that itself is a crime.
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u/Barbarian_818 Feb 26 '26
Yeah, Ian Runkle, CCFR and I think soapboxguns have all said that repeatedly. Do not lie and report the firearms as destroyed. Do not falsely claim they "fell in the lake".
Personally, I'd like to see a test case where someone used "civil disobedience of an unjust law" as a defense. The idea being to test whether civil disobedience is a protected form of freedom of expression and whether the people retain the right to defy abusive legislation.
But obviously anyone trying this is taking a big risk. So I don't think it's going to happen.
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Mar 01 '26
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u/Barbarian_818 Mar 01 '26
Problem is, the ones owners are going to be destroying are newly Prohibited. And Prohib destruction definitely needs to be reported.
Which brings us to a grey area: NR and R can be destroyed by the owner. But machine guns and other legitimate Prohibited firearms need to be destroyed to a high degree (chopped receiver, welded trigger mechanism etc) and by a licensed gunsmith.
So is the CFP going to allow us to self report destruction?
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u/LongRoadNorth Feb 26 '26
This is where I'm waiting to hear more from Ian or from a firearms lawyer.
Because I believe it has been said it has to be destroyed by a registered gunsmith to destroy it and verify its destruction.
I could be mistaken or misunderstanding what Ian was saying in his video though.
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u/satansnacks Feb 26 '26
Pretty sure thats only for deactivation specifically, and even then rcmp spec deactivation is way more extreme than the legal definition and requirement.
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u/LongRoadNorth Feb 26 '26
Nope was destruction too, if I remember correctly.
Regardless wait and see cause I'm not destroying anything until I have to.
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u/outline8668 Feb 27 '26
I don't recall destruction being defined at all in the legislation or regulations the way deactivation is. The liberals and RCMP are trying to make it sound like you need to have this done by a gunsmith but I don't think there's actually any legal requirement to do so. Which makes sense because there are many ways in which a gun could be accidentally destroyed.
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u/mbhunter_94 Feb 26 '26
Just do nothing… let it sit for months, years. Who cares. Don’t do anything
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u/CanadianGunNoob Feb 26 '26
Encase it in concrete and turn it in for them to destroy it. They will need to practice some archaeology just to verify the serial numbers. Malicious compliance.
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u/alter3d Feb 26 '26
You mean concrete reinforced with rebar and steel mesh, right?
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u/CanadianGunNoob Feb 26 '26
Mix in some carbide bits and pieces too.
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u/613mitch Feb 26 '26
You really wanna slow them down, throw in some asbestos and slap some warning placards on it. No fucking way anyone is cutting into it then.
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u/833psz Feb 26 '26
I’m going to try to melt my stripped upper & lower down and cast it into the letters CFUK RNYCAE, put them into a ziploc bag and call the non-emergency line and tell them I have a destroyed AR-15 to pick up. Ball will be in their court.
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Feb 26 '26
Why chop all the parts? Only 1 single piece is considered the firearm. Destroy that. Not everything else
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u/OldBiker6969 Feb 26 '26
Soooo.....what's up with provinces not taking part in the "buy back program" the government has allotted $$$ for it but now they expect us to forfeit our guns without $$$ that is provided by the " buy back program"? That doesn't even make sense.
They F**K THE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS OVER AND OVER. BUT yet the criminals get off with a slap on the wrist!?? Bullshit
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u/AdditionalLoss7274 Feb 26 '26
My favourite part in all this, is the licensed prohib guys with honest to God, legit machine guns and ACTUAL assault rifles being unaffected by all this. But a shitbox GSG-16? Nyet. Cannot have, comrade.
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u/Quirky-Ambition5336 Feb 26 '26
Lol, yeah, gotta get the assault "style" rifles before the real ones for some reason 😄 Whole thing is a clown show.
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u/LumpyMcKwiz Sucks to be a Lefty Pew Pewer Feb 26 '26
They have stated and have a page on the website that says uppers are illegal as well, even without any serial numbers.
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u/Artyom_Petrovich Feb 27 '26
Take photo of rifle, paste photo into Grok, “Hey Grok, make this rifle look like it’s been cut in half in the middle of the receiver using a sawzall”
Get a good Gen, clean it up in photoshop, profit???
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Feb 26 '26
Talk to a lawyer.
Also, what they expect and what the law dictates are two different things. Don't let them have any satisfaction by going above and beyond for them.
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u/RelativeFox1 Feb 26 '26
Me? The day the amnesty ends and is not extended I will either drop off the lower and upper at the rcmp or I will deactivate it. I haven’t decided yet. I believe they will not renew my pal after the amnesty ends if I have a registered prohibited firearm.
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u/Unfair_Valuable_3816 Feb 26 '26
I've heard all you have to turn over is the action, the rest of the metal paperweight u get to keep yippee
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u/thisghy Feb 26 '26
Its aluminum so a hammer blow the last day of the amnesty if it doesnt get delayed should do it. I plan on doing this, putting in a bag and dropping it off at the local Gestapo office the last day of the amnesty if I need to, otherwise im not doing anything.
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u/833psz Feb 26 '26
Call the non-emergency line for pickup. If they don’t show up, call again the next day, document the time of your call and who you spoke to. Your duty ends at reporting destruction to a peace officer, do not waste a minute of your time dropping it off to them.
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u/outdoorreadyco Feb 27 '26
Before you do anything, I would highly recommend watching this video from the CCFR: https://youtu.be/Oo2zniWObd4?si=8ptR5zx0heBGn5nb
Great overview of what to expect and what's happening.
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u/TL2ix Feb 26 '26
Im surprised we dont just sell our guns to the US. With the currency exchange it would be a bargin
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u/kylethesnail Feb 26 '26
I’ve seen some firearm collectors in Europe had been able to scoop up previously 2k+ firearms for less than 500 from auctions here in Canada because the ban had essentially rendered them worthless on Canadian market.
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u/TL2ix Feb 27 '26
If the Canadian Government had an auction period for owners that dont want to destory their guns and try to sell their banned fire arms instead of destorying it... it beats not sure if thr buy back program has enough money in the coffers.
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u/Sogone2day Feb 26 '26
Parting everything out minus the serialized reciever/lower/frame is a option especially on the prohibited/restricted/ar/ ect There is always someone looking for barrels spring pins bolts and such. Can turn in or destroy the other Serialized item if you so choose to. I had a newly prohibited registered pistol by name with a Serialized upper reciever in my case had no problems parting it out. Luckily I broke even selling all the parts pretty much.
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u/swpz01 Feb 27 '26 edited Feb 27 '26
There's no requirement to turn in, only to report.
If you really had to, sawing the receiver in half would suffice as "destroyed". No other parts need to be destroyed. Not sure how on earth it could be argued that "sawed in half" isn't destroyed.
Receivers aren't complex parts anyways.
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Mar 01 '26
If you report it destroyed ,make sure its destroyed. Nothing anywhere says you have to turn in what remains of the gun. I'd keep the 2 square inches with the serial number on it as a momento
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u/EcstaticStock499 Feb 26 '26
What working AR15?
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u/RelativeFox1 Feb 26 '26
The one the government knows he has.
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u/EcstaticStock499 Feb 27 '26
Oh right right right….those were restricted before weren’t they? In that case disregard my nonsense.
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u/RelativeFox1 Feb 27 '26
No problem, yeah there definitely is different ways of dealing with registered and non registered prohibs when it comes to dealing with them.
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u/NoEstablishment896 Feb 27 '26
They generally they do not have the time or resources to attend in person for matters like this, so most of the time the response you receive will be by email. I learned this firsthand years ago when Bill C‑68 came into effect. At the time, I had two AK‑47 war new relics wrapped and still in the create from the Vietnam war that had been stored away for decades. When the legislation changed, the RCMP arrived with the appropriate paperwork, and all that was required was a sign‑off so the items could be legally exported. Unfortunately, the situation became unnecessarily complicated, and in the end I destroyed them myself, which resulted in a loss of approximately $50,000. It was a costly lesson learned. So just work in the system or do you and join the militia fractions that are starting up that i do not agree with.
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u/Ambitious_Joke6146 Feb 26 '26
Tbh, no risk is worth a possible 10 years in jail.
10 years of life, over a piece of metal ? Screw that.
I’ll hold on alongside everyone else. When October of this year comes along, i’ll probably just get my shit deactivated.
I’m not as invested as a good chunk of you guys who’ve been licensed owners since the 90’s.
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u/IGnuGnat Feb 27 '26
I'm too lazy to look it up but the way I remember it the Liberals have been changing the laws to increase the punishments for paper crimes such as the ones being discussed here, while decreasing the punishments for violent crimes. Just sayin'
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u/Ambitious_Joke6146 Feb 26 '26
Iirc it’s “up to 10 years” so it’s definitely possible.
Nonetheless, I don’t wanna chance it, I’d prefer the ability to Kick rocks on the beaches of Gambia, then loosing X amount of years of the only life I have, because the Liberals & some dumb old hag wanna criminalize me, a law abiding citizen.
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Feb 26 '26
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u/Ambitious_Joke6146 Feb 26 '26
Yeah I agree with your point.
Detention centres are filled just as much as actual jails are. The court system is phoney bologna.
So it doesn’t seem like they’ll decide jail time for everyone. Besides many police stations have said they aren’t going to participate.
I honestly, just want peace of mind . Life is difficult as it is.
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u/jay370gt Feb 27 '26
Bro they don’t even have the resources to prosecute, trial and jail real criminals in a timely manner.
Even real murderers are getting out in under 4 years.
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u/BilboBaggSkin Feb 26 '26
I’ll legit destroy mine. But honestly every murders don’t go away for 10 years these days lol.
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u/exosniper Feb 27 '26
Yep. Going to prison for an indictable offence is a easy way to ruin your life.
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u/Ambitious_Joke6146 Feb 27 '26
Idk why I’m being downvoted.
I’ll hold the lines but if I’m really to get arrested & serve time. I’m waving that white flag 🏳️.
The government has clearly shown it lacks no mercy for law abiding citizens. It’ll give lee way too international students who commit crime over actual Canadians who aren’t committing crimes at all
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u/exosniper Feb 27 '26
Some people are down voting anything that doesn't suggest non-compliance right now. I doubt most are actually willing to go to prison over this if push comes to shove. It sucks, but it's not worth ruining your life over.
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u/Ambitious_Joke6146 Feb 27 '26
Which is ridiculous.
The lawyers fees themselves aren’t worth the hassle.
Let’s say $7K on a lawyer to fight the stupid charges…
$7K alone can pay off my student loans, That could take me across the globe for a month on a work sabbatical.
I’m non compliant until it’s genuine jail.
My family have been in Canada since the 1700’s. I love this country, snow ball fights, some classic maple syrup, some delicious corn from the Reesor farm.
But Fck off with jail & that Dirt bag of a witch compelling Gary & the Libs to criminalize me. They all can joke on a fat one.
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u/Dickastigmatism Feb 26 '26
That doesn't work with AR15s, they're all Restricted and all accounted for
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u/613mitch Feb 26 '26
Your only obligation is to report the destruction of a restricted firearm in a timely manner. Once the firearm is destroyed, it no longer needs a trigger lock as it's no longer a firearm. You are not obligated to deliver it anywhere, as it's no longer a firearm.