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u/WeightedDips95 3d ago

Gotta love how how Carney was elected on being a master negotiator and crisis man and 1.5 years has nothing to show for it and we’re getting ground into dust. Judging by his supporters discourse on Reddit and X, they’re in a negative feedback loop where the worse he does and the more tarrifs we get the more they’re convinced he is a god. It even seems like they’re willing to nuke our economy over this. Pretty scary shit. We’re in a mass psychosis

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u/2Puppers4Sale Custom Flair (Be appropriate or else we'll take it away again) 3d ago edited 3d ago

There is this weird standard in which if Carney gets a good trade deal with the US, he is a master negotiator who can handle Trump but if he doesn't, that also means he is a master negotiator who won't deal with an unreasonable person like Trump, so no matter what happens, Carney is seen as a master negotiator who is smart and pragmatic and his approval sky rockets because your average Canadian is a moron who cares more about being smugly anti-American than anything else.

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u/WeightedDips95 3d ago

Perfectly put. The Liberals have managed to manipulate the informational environment into a situation where they can never do wrong and conservatives can never do right. 

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u/2Puppers4Sale Custom Flair (Be appropriate or else we'll take it away again) 3d ago

For real, like if Pierre Poilievre was in charge instead, people would say that he folded and caved in to Trump if he got a deal and that he has no negotiation skills whatsoever if he didn't get a deal.

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u/WeightedDips95 3d ago

100%. Or if he had been calling for very specific policies for years, they would say his ideas are garbage and destructive, but if Carney stole them, they would say Carney has great ideas and that PP actually never even has any ideas lmao. 

I honestly just don’t even think Canadian democracy works at this point. We have psychopaths in control, media that has abdicated all responsibilities, and a smoothbrain electorate.  

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u/LordRaizer 3h ago

I've noticed this, did people conveniently forget that this guy ran a campaign on "getting a deal with Trump" and that he was the one who was "best equipped to handle him" ?

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u/Lumindan 2h ago

The goal post has shifted to "no one can deal with Trump" when it's brought up (including some interesting interpretation of elbows up).

Ironically Pierres entire point was exactly what people are now using to defend Carney, that we work around trump and diversify our resources and trade systems. (Let's also just ignore that every party in Canada stood up against trump but I digress).

The bridge debacle is really telling tbh. Granted Canadian voters have gold fish memory so I doubt it'll stay relevant (not to mention the hilarious slant by our media, don't get me started on that)

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u/Lumindan 3d ago

I think it's a mixture of people not understanding basic economics (people saying we can divest from the US, which is nutty btw), people who treat politics like team sports and a pinch of "we are not American" smugness and there we are.

Combine that with the team sports mentality and everything is a personal attack.

People will turn a blind eye to the government passing draconian spy bills and running pointless gun grabs because they're "winning".

It'd gonna be a hot minute until people wake up and realize how bad they've let things slide. The one upside is that historically this always happens, just when is the concern.

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u/WeightedDips95 3d ago

I think we passed the point of no return. I don’t think Canada can be saved at this point. Ironically enough for all the new “Canadian nationalist”, they’ve all but ensured the collapse of Canada. 

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u/jwubadubdub 4h ago

Wexit 🤷

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u/Lumindan 2h ago

I do think the pendulum will swing back. When though? That's thats a hard answer.

Quality of life needs to dip even further tbh, historically Canadians live to vote out governments and blame their issues on previous establishments.

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u/RydNightwish 2d ago

Brother, Carney will go full belka on the country and the smooth brained masses in ON and QC will be convinced it was a 4D chess play that truly showed trump whats up.