I've seen some posts from a firearms retailer in Alberta social media and website and a couple private sellers online selling UTAS 556/308 AR10/AR15 straight pulls.
The rifle from what I'm reading is essentially an AR10/AR15 without a gas port in the upper and proprietary sized pivot/takedown pins to make it incompatible with normal AR10/AR15 but is otherwise it's an AR10/AR15.
Does anyone have any more information on this rifle? I can't find much online and there's no public FRT, I would imagine there's a private one that has not been released yet as it would be needed for importing the rifle from Turkey. Seems odd RCMP would've allowed this to pass as NR.
I feel like my friend bubba can get this thing semi-auto in an afternoon with a drill and some parts from a banned gun thatâs just been laying around.
It has no gas tube system and its not drilled for it also, far as a lower receiver I have no idea as I never had an ar before but honestly it probably is and I doubt it will get a frt but it looked cool so I bought it
Still not best business practices imo. Id be pretty chapped if i bought one of these, under the pretenses of being NR and it comes back prohib due to being a variant.
Right? So because you don't have a Corvette anymore, but you still have Corvette wheels. You should buy a different type of car that's not a Corvette like a piece of shit chrysler 300 and put those Corvette wheels on it.
When the powers that be have banned "zoomy cars" and you've got the some really high quality wheels sitting in your garage, maybe you want to use those wheels, or your special steering wheel, or the custom suspension that you've got. Doesn't make the car into a Corvette, but maybe it's better than letting those parts collect dust.
It's a straight pull AR15, it's an AR15 without a gas system and with proprietary takedown/pivot pins, other than that it's identical to the average milspec ar15
I would strongly suggest taking this post down as law enforcement monitors this page and this is not a safe space for illegal activities. Having this post up is likely gonna get the rifle banned next week just the same as other turkish bullpup shotguns have been banned the same way. Reach out to Swamp Donkey's and ask them yourself.
If dealers are able to import and sell these firearms, then it has a non-restricted FRT since this gun is made in Turkiye. All foreign guns must have a valid FRT before being sold in Canada.*
Edit: * = As I understand it's the industry standard in Canada.
The RCMP already know this rifle exists and is in circulation. The Poly twats, not so much...
Itâs in fact does not have a frt. swamp donkeys is the importer from what I understand, he has a time limit on when the frt is supposed to be submitted and is in the process of doing so. But as of now it doesnât have an FRT
That doesn't sound right how or why would CBSA allow a pallet of guns it doesn't know if they are legal or not in canada? You need an import permit and declaration of what you import into Canada.
Can you explain or link an explanation of how or why you can import firesrms without an FRT?
I could understand a one off if it was a model for testing,
So on my import permit I could write unknown firearm maybe full auto, maybe illegal and it would be fine to import?
Can you link to where you found or didnt find the absence of this requirement?
Edit: CBSA Memorandum D19-13-2: Importing and exporting firearms, weapons and devices mentions that businesses can only import the firearms they are allowed to sell. That presupposes that the CBSA knows the classification of the firearm you imported. And if the CBSA doesn't know they don't have to accept the import.
The CBSA relies on the FRT to determine classification, and even though it's not a "legal" document that doesn't matter
When identifying what category a firearm belongs to, the Firearms Reference Table (FRT) will be used as a reference tool.
That's it, a "reference tool". Not a piece of legally binding document. CBSA themselves has the final say in determining the classification at the border. There are no RCMP officers there to enforce the FRT. Does that mean the CBSA can be interpreting the FRT incorrectly and make a human error? Absolutely, and it has happened before.
For visitors importing temporarily, all they need is the RCMP Form 5589, a fee, and the applicable ATT if it's restricted. Form 5589 itself does not ask for a FRT match. Visitors outright cannot import prohibited firearms.
For residents, you would need a registration certificate for importing restricted firearms, and that's where a FRT is 100% required (and implied, but not explicitly stated), otherwise it cannot be registered to begin with. For NR the only requirement is for you to have a PAL. If it's a break action single shot shotgun, or a custom Rem700 barreled action, CBSA is gonna take one look at it and say "yeah, that's obviously NR" and not even bother opening the FRT.
Not to mention all those businesses submitting firearm samples to the RCMP for inspection and classification and to write a FRT to begin with. How are those firearms imported without a FRT? You tell me.
Exactly that is my point. You think poly twats aren't watching this sub? You're just going to get it banned through visibility. Mark my words just as the N4S did
I take it you just got your pal last week and are unaware of how the rcmp functions.
The RCMP regularly monitors this page for illegal activities and there are several examples of such, namely someone who posted their guns and then made another post asking about a murder that happened on his street. He got a call from the RCMP 30 minutes later asking for him by his reddit handle.
Do you remember the Turkish NS4 bullpup shotgun? It was banned via FRT a few days after someone posted it here and it got hundreds of likes and thousands of views.
As I said, this is not a safe space to post illegal activities and ask about guns that are currently under the radar but otherwise legal.
Delete this post, and ask swamp donkey's about it, not 100k people on a public forum.
The firearm in question does not have an frt and the lower receiver is obviously an ar-15. My point being, don't post stupid shit online thinking its a safe space. This is a public forum monitored by the rcmp and viewed by 70k people weekly.
If itâs a straight pull and over $1200 you might as well go MRA, SCSA, or Troy. Donât think Iâd want to go Turkish for anything too price if the reliability is a coin flip. Under a grand thoughâŚI might reconsider since this rifle is a looker
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u/iNeedAdivorce Jun 17 '26
Happy Pride month straight pullers! đ