r/canadaguns • u/rastamasta45 • Jun 11 '26

News / Politics / Activism Some ASFCP numbers with models

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From our CCFR friends, of course the GSG16 is #1!!!

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u/King-Conn Jun 11 '26

Only 38 thousand people? Damn, that's even lower than I expected. Good job lads

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u/Ov3rReadKn1ght0wl Jun 11 '26

Out of 2 million... Staggeringly low. 

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u/DougMacRay617 Jun 11 '26

38 thousand too many

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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 Jun 11 '26

Look at it this way, the majority of restricted owners have a backbone. Someone should parse that table and give us a breakdown of restricted vs non restricted. With GSG leading the way( why they have multiple entries?) i wouldn’t be shocked if majority is previously NR firearms.

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u/DougMacRay617 Jun 11 '26

Wild to me that so many people would willfully disclose NR guns and hand them in. Half the incentive to grab NR's was their lack of registration with the confiscation gang.

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u/Dependent_Account603 Jun 11 '26

Look at the M14 numbers. There's a few thousand. The actual number is estimated to be more than AR-15, so close to if not over 200k.

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u/RigPIG_16 Jun 12 '26

My thoughts were, when did norinco make the M14, I know they made an M305 but did they actually start making M14’s and I missed out

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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 Jun 12 '26

A lot of these guns were things you could buy at cabelas or canadian tire, so for some "casual" gun owner, who picked up a gsg16 for their kids to shoot, the potential risk wasn't worth it over losing their license or getting charged. Then there is the small number of PAL holders that are die hard LPC supporters.

The big take away is a lot of this stuff is post 2020 OIC shit, "cope guns" that people bought and probably realized will be worthless if the SCoC rules in our favor. I don't agree with the argument but i have seen people say that they would rather get paid for their Wk180c because it was garbage and they know they wouldn't get much for it if other models were legal again.

I also think post 2020 people rushed to buy these guns thinking they wouldn't get banned or would get grandfathered and then after the 2nd and 3rd OIC came down, they decided they would turn them in because they were worried about breaking the law. FOMO was probably created buy the handgun freeze and people thought they might miss out on an opportunity, especially as the ban and confiscation dragged on for years. After a couple years i was becoming pretty confident that they wouldn't do anything else, the government would change or they would revert to some sort of poorly thought out grandfathering scheme.

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down Jun 11 '26

It's not wild to me. A majority of old people voted for this.

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u/Barbarian_818 Jun 11 '26

The Liberal Party practices "big tent politics". The majority of voters don't give a shit about firearms and firearms law. It wasn't a campaign plank in most regions.

So a lot of people were voting Left for other reasons. And somehow the Party came to the conclusion that the small but well organized and militant Anti-Gun demographic needed to be placated.

There are a lot of aspects that make me suspect that, for most of the officials in the Party, their hearts really aren't in this. There's a lot of things that feel like "shooting from the hip" about this.

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u/DougMacRay617 Jun 12 '26

If you believe this shit is about votes then you are very naive

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u/Thereal_Stormm006 Jun 12 '26

Still, that’s 38,400 sellouts who chose to give in

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u/NIBLZ_HAMSTR Jun 11 '26

Still 38000 too many, as far as im concerned... I was thinking that a lot of these guns were from retailers that suddenly found themselves with millions of dollars worth of firearms that nobody could legally buy... made me feel better than thinking that gun owners were stupid enough to go for this garbage.

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u/dgod40 Jun 11 '26

They always said it was the numbers for individuals. It was the weirdos here that kept saying "must be businesses". That being said, I can't believe how many NR owners sold out their Brothers and sisters, especially all those gsg owners trying to recoup their little bit of money.

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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 Jun 12 '26

You have to remember that they sold these things at Cabelas and Canadian Tire and a lot of people just bought them because their cheap and cool looking. "Causal" PAL holders who don't have much invested in the politics. I was always quite confident that we would see a lot of this shit turned in because its doesn't have a lot of monetary or sentimental value to a lot of people who purchased them.

I suspect Poly and the LPC will have some photos of all these guns laid out, in black and white to hide the pink plastic and wood stocks lol. That is a favorite tactic of Poly, they used to do it at press conferences all the time.

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u/swift_gilford Jun 12 '26

"Causal" PAL holders who don't have much invested in the politics

Agreed. Also its been a few years, and people have life changes. Who knows how many of these had circumstances that (unfortunately for the rest of us) that they needed to this. Perhaps a spousal reason, recent widow/widower. Maybe getting married or a kid on the way that freeing up some cash on a hobby you may not actively be taking part in anymore. Perhaps the veiled threats of jail was enough for people to get in early because they may feel they have too much to lose.

Again, it sucks for the rest of us but i'm gonna go with a grain of salt that these people did what was best for them at the time.

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u/NIBLZ_HAMSTR Jun 12 '26

Yeah, because they've never lied to us before...