r/canadaguns • u/FireteamOrcale • May 31 '26
Misc IWI Carmel Event
Not sure if this is allowed on the sub but I saw this pop up, If anyone lives in the area and is interested in trying out the IWI Carmel before purchasing it I think this would be a great opportunity! Easthill Outdoors is in Clarington ON
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u/carlosmysantana May 31 '26
Well if the Makasi was announced first, this makes me hopeful the date for that should be right around the corner then
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u/zetagundam12 May 31 '26
I kinda love the look of it, but not $2,500 love
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u/jimjoe21 May 31 '26
Yeah I think it looks sick! But, out of my budget right now and even if it was I’d be hesitant to
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u/robot_nixon May 31 '26
Wait people on this sub have budgets? It had always appeared like you were all millionaires with fuck you money, and the will to purchase anything that goes bang no matter the cost... As quickly as possible.
Eg. I have had my PAL for 1.5 hours and I just bought out both my local gun stores and I am headed to the next town to do the same.
It's good to know that there are some "normal" people on this sub too lol
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u/jimjoe21 Jun 01 '26
Haha yup! I enjoy shooting but not enough to drop $2500 on what’s essentially ready to become a paperweight in no time.
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u/escv_69420 Jun 01 '26
Hahaha I made this exact post before and got down voted to oblivion for calling the "look how much money I spent in X time!" Posts tacky
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u/zetagundam12 Jun 03 '26
I bought my SKS, inherited another 8, bought/inherited another 8 at 10 cents on the dollar, and helped split firewood for my Mosin. Other than that, almost anything is a "too much to justify" gun for me
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u/Goliad1990 May 31 '26
Good buy
It's not a good buy. I know everybody is going to think I'm just pissing in their cornflakes, but this thing is going to be banned, likely overnight, before the year is out. Unless you missed every semi-auto before this one and you intend to unlawfully possess it, this is just burning money.
By the time we eventually reverse the OIC bans, there will be better options.
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u/Unknownuser010203 May 31 '26
Dude, the OIC isn't gonna be reversed, C-21 isnt getting scraped and grandfathering isnt happening. Get any semi while you can
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u/Goliad1990 May 31 '26
Dude, the OIC isn't gonna be reversed, C-21 isnt getting scraped
Not under this government, but give it time. We had to wait more than a decade to scrap the long gun registry, but we got there eventually.
Get any semi while you can
As long as you know what's going to happen to it. 99%+ of the people who buy one of these things are not going to have the balls to keep it in defiance of the law, and are just going to be pissing money away when they inevitably surrender it.
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u/Unknownuser010203 May 31 '26
Even if we do get a conservative government 10 plus years from now (God willing Canada still exists) will they really be interested in undoing and old policy that the average Canadian won't even care about? I understand Harper got rid of the LGR but that doesn't automatically mean a future conservative government will repeat. I have total faith PP would but something tells me we'll sadly have a different leader in 10 plus years.
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u/GoGetInvolved May 31 '26
Yes, if you stay on them. You are probably doing a lot of what I'm going to write but I'm saying this for everyone:
First try to win the next election. Go out and volunteer for the CPC. Knock on doors. Convince friends and family to vote for them. If the conservatives win then keep writing and meeting with your MP, stay on them, say that making that change is the best way for them to keep your vote.
If they lose and they change leadership then buy a membership and make it clear to leadership contestants that it's a big issue for you and vote for the ones that promise to follow through.
Change is hard but it is possible if we get involved and act. It's not possible if we wait and hope or if we give up.
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u/Goliad1990 May 31 '26
Even if we do get a conservative government 10 plus years from now
I highly doubt it'll take that long.
I understand Harper got rid of the LGR but that doesn't automatically mean a future conservative government will repeat.
Well no, of course it doesn't mean that automatically. Nothing is literally guaranteed. Nobody can sit here and tell you what's going to happen with 100% certainty. But we're an important enough part of their base that I strongly believe that they will.
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u/Thin_Roof5232 Jun 01 '26
It will be banned. Looks extremely scary. Could jump up and kill someone.
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u/jollygreengiant1655 May 31 '26
I'm not as sure as I used to be about the future of more OIC bans. It feels like, given all the pushback on this, the new boss is not nearly as keen as the old one to simply shove this down our throats.
Don't get me wrong, they aren't going to reverse all these OIC's. I just think the odds of any new bans via OIC are dropping.
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u/Goliad1990 May 31 '26
the new boss is not nearly as keen as the old one to simply shove this down our throats.
The new boss is Provost, and no offence, but you're huffing the copium if you think Carney is going to tell her no.
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u/escv_69420 Jun 01 '26
I don't know why you got down voted. You're right. I've been saying it for months. She's crazy and that makes her a liability.
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u/Krazee9 on May 31 '26
All proceeds go to CSAAA
Ah, the traitors who willingly worked with the Liberals to help them fuck us over and get the confiscation started. No thanks.
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u/Xaxxus May 31 '26
This thing is pretty cool. Reminds me of a g36 with the carry handle filled.
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u/Ok_Consideration476 10d ago
It is kind of like the G36. In my country I own a civilian legal clone of the G36 (S5 Tactical SG36) and the IWI Carmel. Both rifles have polymer receivers, are short stroke piston operated, have folding stocks and ambidextrous features but both rifles go about a different way. Between the two, the IWI Carmel is heavier but to be fair, it also has a heavier stock, barrel, aluminum hand guard and metal rails in the polymer receivers. I would say my VHS-2 clone (Springfield Hellion) probably has more in common with the G-36 than the Carmel. Both rifles take apart by removing three pins, both have top mounted ambidextrous charging that are under a 1913 optics rail with BUIS, both rifles make the extensive use of polymers and the VHS-2 uses G-36 magazines.
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u/necros911 May 31 '26
I bought the restricted version so probably gonna be hooped there's a record of it eventually
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u/AnonCGN178 May 31 '26
I'm sure everyone on this sub would prefer other options for a semi auto 5.56 but the Liberal party won't allow that.
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u/rileysimon May 31 '26
Shouldn't Canadian gun owners surrender their Chinese SKS, Type 81, Type 97, Norinco ARs, and their M1A clones with their Holosun red-dots over the Tiananmen Square massacre and Uyghur concentration camps?
Im not pro PRC but moral purity is so stupid.
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u/Medical_Bluejay_7506 May 31 '26
Nonsense,everyone knows the idf is the world’s most moral army
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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES May 31 '26
We are the soldiers of the IDF, The world's most moral army.
And we have discovered a solution to A most perplexing quandary
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u/Weak-Coffee-8538 May 31 '26
That's the main reason the Makasi is more appealing. And the plasticness of it was a no go.
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u/jollygreengiant1655 May 31 '26
Get your BS politics tf outta here
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u/TheeDirtyToast May 31 '26
Spoken like a true "I'm better than everybody else" Canadian.
You signing your home over to the natives then?
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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES May 31 '26
I’d rather a bolt action over this. Never sending another dollar willingly to them.
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u/ImaKeeper2 May 31 '26
People are either bold or too rich. I can’t risk spending that kinda cash on something the gov will confiscate soon
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 May 31 '26
It'll still be in your safe, still usable if SHTF! 😃
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u/ImaKeeper2 May 31 '26
No it won’t. If they ban it, they’ll make you turn it in or they’ll come for it, like they’ll do for the the current ones we can’t own after Oct 31
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 May 31 '26
These rifles are Non-Registered, what gun?
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u/AssignmentPutrid3197 May 31 '26
You do realize all gun stores report each sale of a firearm right?
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 May 31 '26
That’s an incorrect assumption, they keep a record but it is not automatically reported to the RCMP or government.
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u/AssignmentPutrid3197 May 31 '26
What exactly do you think they are submitting to the RCMP before you get handed the gun?
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 Jun 01 '26
Nothing, it is only a transfer reference number, which can be a prior one within 6 months, first name, last name, PAL number.
Are you in Quebec? It's the only province with firearms registration scheme.
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u/ImaKeeper2 Jun 01 '26
Even still, it’s a record of a purchased firearm. If they come to your house and they only find 5 firearms, even there record that you now own 6, you’re in shit
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u/SlowDebate3165 Jun 04 '26
Do you know that?
Or do you just feel like that's true?
Because that seems implausible legally to say the least.Maybe let a firearms lawyer answer that one.
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u/ImaKeeper2 Jun 04 '26
Those who downvoted me are dumb. You have to let the RCMP know of every firearms transaction. They know how many guns you have. Those disagreeing or not abiding by that, are in for a rude awakening some day
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u/mischling2543 May 31 '26
Still don't really get the hype ngl. I have faith that the Conservatives are getting back in at some point so I'll save my money and get something prettier and not made in Israel
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u/Geralt-of-Rivai May 31 '26
It's exciting times because we finally have two really good options for a semi auto 223 in the shitty political climate we are in. So just let gun owners be happy, by a bunch of both of them get out there and shoot as much as possible, who knows what the future holds, buy and enjoy
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u/cyanideandhappiness May 31 '26
Absolutely. I’d rather by a Chinese made rifle than Israeli.
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u/ExplorerEnjoyer May 31 '26
Bro thinks China has a moral high ground hahahah
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u/Nilotaus Jun 02 '26
China is literally supplying surveillance tech & weapons components to Israel as well.
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u/JoeTheMailman May 31 '26
I hope the buyback money for the ARs come in time to buy this before they ban it.
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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 May 31 '26
Go to sleep Nathalia! Don’t let your secretary of nature duties keep you up!
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u/Content_Sky_2676 May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26
The full auto is banned, the sbr sized auto is restricted, no listed frt for long barrel.
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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 May 31 '26
civilian Carmels have always been semi-auto only, not a converted full-auto to semi.
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