r/canadaguns • u/thatregal • May 11 '26

Feets / Collection / My build 12” tm22

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Still waiting on a FDE stock and a vortex defender to replace the shitty red dot

Happy I pulled the trigger on this, guns extremely compact as it should have been when it first came out.

I’ve owned 3 so far and this one is by far my favourite

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u/UnderstandingSoft165 May 11 '26

Day 263 of asking why these haven’t breached the .22WMR realm yet

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u/moonpie_888 May 11 '26

Right! That would be legit good power semi auto qnd that's probably why even though you can get the CZ510 I think in 22mag semi auto

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down May 11 '26

The problem with .22WMR is that it doesn't kill paper or steel (or small game) any harder, while at the same time costs more than 9mm does. You get about 50 yards more effective range (.22WMR has dropped at 150 yards as much as .22LR has at 100) as compared to the +100 of .17 HMR (or the +150 of .17 WSM) for roughly the same price (or 1.4x the price, in .17WSM's case), and generally speaking if you need to shoot a rimfire that far semi-auto operation may not be helpful.

You can't use it in IPSC mini-rifle or at NRL22 matches either; as for use in any other kind of competition, see above.

This is why the usual pattern is "sure, we'll make a run of these off of our existing design and also do a .17 HMR", and then it takes way longer because simple blowback in this family of calibers is oddly tricky. And then they don't sell, and then the manufacturer throws in the towel.

It was less trouble for Derya to spool up production for 9mm rifles than it would be to redesign the TM22. Can't say I blame them.

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u/Status_Ticket5044 May 12 '26

Now THAT'S an explanation. 👍 I'm hoping if the OICs get tossed we get a flood of 9 mm. semi-autos.

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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 May 12 '26

The OIC are the floodgates. If it gets reversed by some magical SCC decision then we all gonna be bankrupt.

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u/Status_Ticket5044 May 13 '26

That would be a good problem to have.

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u/syspak May 13 '26

Please give me .17wsm semi auto in Canada.

Something modern.

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26

Your only real option is the A17, and you're stuck with traditional ergonomics and 8-round magazines.

Not that it's any better in the US; there are a couple of ARs in the caliber that cost 2.5x what the Savage does, but that's it.

I think .17 WSM is underrated, and it's as close as one can reasonably get to the rimfire cartridge used in the Interdynamics MKR of the 1980s. Its only real problem is that 5.56 is cheaper than it (as opposed to the other rimfire .22/.17s, where 5.56 is merely competitive in price).

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u/syspak May 13 '26

The Franklin F17 I would love to have in Canada.

It's a rimfire please let me have it in Canada.

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down May 13 '26

It is unfortunate that neither Franklin nor Jard's iteration are available outside of complete upper receivers.

The Franklin in particular has more in common with the MP7 than it does with an AR-15 anyway.

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u/syspak May 13 '26

It's available as a complete rifle from Franklin.

Either 20"/16" barrel length.

But because of the way it looks I'm assuming in Canada it will be prohib

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u/mischling2543 May 11 '26

I think they're afraid of attracting the banhammer

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down May 11 '26

why Derya doesn't do a complete redesign (needs completely new magazines and an entirely new receiver with a heavier bolt) of their rifle in a meme caliber that only 3 people will actually buy

yeah I have no idea why they don't do it either