r/canadaguns • u/mischling2543 • Apr 07 '26

News / Politics / Activism AFSCP Participation per 1000 PAL Holders (map)

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Based on the data calculated in this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/s/oZlTfOs8Aj

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u/bermpan Apr 07 '26

COME ON BC WHAT ARE WE DOING?

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u/ecclectic Apr 07 '26

Well, OP can't fucking do math for one thing.. We have 340000 PAL holders in BC, but they divided by the population of the province, not the number of PAL holders. which gives a smidge under 5% compliance.

But we all know that ain't the fucking case, and if you go by the rather short estimate of every PAL holder owning 2.5 guns, you get down to about 1.8%. Do the same math with Ontario (69000 PAL holders) and you come out at 1.6%

Alberta, understandably, had a much lower compliance rate, but they have close to the same number of PAL holders as BC, and marked 0.8% compliance.

Maybe we should stop aiming blindly around the room and actually start focusing on the problem at hand instead of blaming the guy next door?

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u/TKB-059 bc Apr 07 '26

Can't blame people here for being bad at math, they never had to count past five or ten.

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u/Cre_AK47 Name Prohibited by OIC Apr 07 '26

If only the government didn't have magazine capacity restrictions, we could at least count to 30!

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u/Amazing_Pudding1896 Apr 07 '26

To be fair, 30 factorial is a pretty big number.....ok nerd moment is gone, i'll see myself out

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u/viccityguy2k Apr 07 '26

Also - shouldn’t it be a ratio of affected guns? Black / restricted guns are very popular in BC

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u/splooges Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26

We have 340000 PAL holders in BC, but they divided by the population of the province, not the number of PAL holders.

Um, can you do math? If you divide BC's ASFCP number by the population of BC, you'd get a lower number since the population of BC is far higher than the number of BC PAL holders. If the OP truly did calculate his results using the approach you are accusing him of, BC would have a lower rate of compliance - i.e. OP would be making BC look better, not worse.

However, the truth is that the OP's math is not wrong; 15600 ASFCP firearms divided by number of BC PAL holders (368K) gives a number just over 40 firearms per 1000 PAL holders.

The fact that you're so upvoted is what actually shows that people in this subreddit either can't do math or are butthurt that this specific statistic portrays BC gun owners in a negative way.

Maybe we should stop aiming blindly around the room and actually start focusing on the problem at hand instead of blaming the guy next door?

Sensitive much? Nobody is really blaming BC - for all we know, proportionally there are just more restricted PALs in BC than the rest of Canada. You're crashing out on the OP for no reason.

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u/ecclectic Apr 07 '26

Fair enough, OP is just using a piss-poor presentation to drive engagement based of worse information.

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u/AioliMindless Apr 07 '26

I have 16 guns

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u/DoYouGetSarcasm Apr 07 '26

Math looks right to me. It's guns declared, divided by pal holders, times 1000. Example for BC. 366 827 pals (from table 1 of the first link here). 15 600 asfcp items (from second link below, comment) 15 600/366 827 *1000 = 42.5.

Comment all you like about whether this is a valuable metric, but the math is right.

https://rcmp.ca/en/corporate-information/publications-and-manuals/2024-commissioner-firearms-report#t1

https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/comments/1se2tga/declared_asfcp_firearms_when_formatted_for_guns/

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u/mischling2543 Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 08 '26

As others have already said, you're completely incorrect about this. As the map very clearly states, it is program participation per 1000 PAL holders. If it were by raw population then it would be a very different map.

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u/BrotherLefthand Apr 07 '26

I do wonder how many of those are coming from people here on Visas that likely won't see visa renewal. Easier to sell the guns to the government before being sent home.

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u/HappyCan7250 Apr 08 '26

I was sort of wondering this too, or for temporary/permanent residents who were too scared to risk their residency for their guns. I think they would be far more likely to hand them in.

I also think it's sort of nuts that you can come here on a student visa and get a firearms license. I do think it should require citizenship or permanent residents only for firearms licenses.

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u/BrotherLefthand Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26

I agree, it's insane. No temporary residents should be permitted firearms.

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u/JipJopJones Apr 07 '26

Very disappoint in my fellow BCers.

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u/Agent_1812 https://youtu.be/mrAwb9ptu9U Apr 07 '26

population density, more suburban gun owners with more to lose

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u/canadianmohawk1 Apr 07 '26

The same thing they always seem to do, the wrong thing.