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u/floydsmoot Jun 17 '22

Wouldn't this be great!

UCP leadership contender Danielle Smith wants Alberta to ignore federal laws it doesn't like:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ucp-leadership-contender-danielle-smith-wants-alberta-to-ignore-federal-laws-it-doesnt-like/ar-AAYzGes?li=AAggNb9

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22

Kinda hoping the AB CFO just starts making ATCs shall issue as a form of protest

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u/floydsmoot Jun 17 '22

About the only way I can see any gun rights surviving in this country is if AB and SK tell Dear Leader to FO and they make their own gun laws

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22

Yeah I agree, but WEXIT isn't realistic, Alberta could only survive if it became a US state. Plus it's not as popular as you think here most people are against it. Probably about 30% of the people I know actually want it and are not just memeing

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u/floydsmoot Jun 17 '22

but they can go the way of Quebec--they do what they want anyway

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u/HemiJay_Toronto Jun 17 '22

Quebec can get away with it because they didn’t ratify the Charter

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u/happythomist Jun 19 '22

Quebec is still bound by the Charter even though they didn't agree to it.

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u/HemiJay_Toronto Jun 19 '22

Legally, yes. Politically? No. They have leeway no other province has.

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u/RatherBoringggggg Jun 18 '22

shall issue is an American concept with no basis in Canadian law

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '22

Well techincally right we have a de facto shall issue might be called something different but it'sthe same concept. PALs are shall issue they would just need to make ATCs the same as PALs in that sense

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u/happythomist Jun 19 '22 edited Jun 19 '22

I wouldn't call PALs "shall-issue". The CFO can refuse to issue a license if "it is desirable, in the interests of the safety of that or any other person, that the person not possess a firearm". There is a list of factors to consider, but there's still a lot of discretion.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '22

"Shall issue means that as long as an applicant passes the basic requirements set out by state law, the issuing authority (county sheriff, police department, state police, etc.) is compelled to issue a permit." - That's exactly what the PALs are. What you described there is the basic requirements set out by law. Discretion or not as long as you pass those you will get your PAL

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u/happythomist Jun 19 '22

This is the relevant section of the Firearms Act:

5 (1) A person is not eligible to hold a licence if it is desirable, in the interests of the safety of that or any other person, that the person not possess a firearm, a cross-bow, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, ammunition or prohibited ammunition.

Also worth noting is the license revocation section:

70 (1) A chief firearms officer may revoke a licence, an authorization to carry or an authorization to transport for any good and sufficient reason including, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, [...]

"Desirable, in the interests of...safety" and "good and sufficient reason" are too vague to make this a "shall issue" regime.

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u/Effeminate-Gearhead sk Jun 19 '22

shall issue is an American concept with no basis in Canadian law

Having directly experienced how toothless and glacial the Firearms Ombudsman is, I'm all for Shall Issue. Putting things at the discretion of police and bureaucrats with little to no recourse when it comes to their decisions is a recipe for abuse.

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u/wolfgang94 Jun 17 '22

I'm Alberta Bound volume increases

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u/discostu55 Jun 18 '22

Meh. She’s a traitor. Abandoned her people and party a few years back. I hope her political career dies. She is well hated in AB

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u/SurtseyHuginn Jun 17 '22

We need a provincial party in parliament. I know the bloc québécois has a bad press sometimes but I like its purpose. Basically representing the provinces interests, not only for Quebec but other ones as well.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22

We have one, the Maverick party.

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u/DistortoiseLP Jun 17 '22

Their problem wasn't bad press so much as Duceppe going all in on his own Quebec issues in response to the sponsorship scandal. Bashing the Liberals made for good attention but it didn't translate into actual support for his platform because mutual enemies don't necessarily make allies when there's more than two sides to choose from. I feel like Smith is going to learn the same lesson here.

They're a more national minded party now heavily because the uncompromising separatist rhetoric kept hurting them, both in and out of Quebec.

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u/SurtseyHuginn Jun 17 '22

We need a provincial party in parliament. I know the bloc québécois has a bad press sometimes but I like its purpose. Basically representing the provinces interests, not only for Quebec but other ones as well.