r/canadaguns • u/AutoModerator • Jun 13 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22

Some of my edit in a reply didn't go through and I figured it's worth being a standalone comment:

The opposition is predicting the next move and hopping onto the self defence argument. The toothless, and quite frankly, spineless world view of "gun owners must be nice and show that sports shooting is what we're about!! :DD" is obsolete. Me and a handful of users have already pointed out that leaning hard on this angle shoves us into a corner, where the public perceives this thing of ours as a frivolous, rich guy hobby. It just so happens that this "hobby" is dangerous - so what's stopping the government from banning it entirely?

Users here may not like that for whatever reason. Fact of the matter is, 50 years of sports shooting has gotten us nowhere. The gun community in Canada needs to change with the times and no, leaning harder on sports shooting isn't going to cut it any more.

E: reposting the article that floydsmoot posted:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/guns-must-not-be-used-for-self-defense-canadas-trudeau-insists

Dear Leader is trying real hard.

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u/Q363Q Jun 13 '22

The biggest issue with the self defense argument is that the public perception is that we are all waiting by the front door with a gun in each hand waiting for someone to come in.

Sadly the perception of the American gun nutt haunts us.

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u/WhatAShame8 Jun 13 '22

Anecdotal, but I have a short story. My uncle and aunt from vancouver visited me in May and I took him out shooting on the last week before he left. (His first time shooting). Yesterday I got a call from him saying that when he uploaded the photos of him at the range to show his friends, 90% of the feedback was positive and most people who commented wanted guns for themselves for self defence (they’re laymen so they don’t know thats not legal). Maybe public opinion towards guns isn’t as bad as they say. My uncle is a 68 y/o chinese boomer vancouver urbanite. He went from uninformed and apathetic to guns to pro-gun with one day at the range.

I agree Self-defence needs to be articulated for us to have any hopes of keeping guns in the long run, but taking people to the range is also the fastest way to educate the public.

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u/Fredarius Jun 15 '22

Sadly the only way I see self defence wit a gun becomes allowable is such a egregious court case where a woman is defending her children from a most horrific of a person attacking them. Then the lady shoots the dude/s dead and then the RCMP charges her with murder and then gets convicted somehow and then it winds it way to the Supreme Court and then somehow the big minds of the court decide that defence with gun is permissionable and a reason to own said gun. Until then we’re gonna get death by a thousand cuts.

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u/WhatAShame8 Jun 15 '22

I actually agree. There needs to be a landmark case, or as bad as it sounds, illegal gun crime needs to sky rocket after the ban. Homeowners imprisoned for injuring a home invader being publicized. People feeling unsafe in general. Acceleration might be the only way.