r/canadaguns • u/AutoModerator • Jun 13 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22

Some of my edit in a reply didn't go through and I figured it's worth being a standalone comment:

The opposition is predicting the next move and hopping onto the self defence argument. The toothless, and quite frankly, spineless world view of "gun owners must be nice and show that sports shooting is what we're about!! :DD" is obsolete. Me and a handful of users have already pointed out that leaning hard on this angle shoves us into a corner, where the public perceives this thing of ours as a frivolous, rich guy hobby. It just so happens that this "hobby" is dangerous - so what's stopping the government from banning it entirely?

Users here may not like that for whatever reason. Fact of the matter is, 50 years of sports shooting has gotten us nowhere. The gun community in Canada needs to change with the times and no, leaning harder on sports shooting isn't going to cut it any more.

E: reposting the article that floydsmoot posted:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/guns-must-not-be-used-for-self-defense-canadas-trudeau-insists

Dear Leader is trying real hard.

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u/Q363Q Jun 13 '22

The biggest issue with the self defense argument is that the public perception is that we are all waiting by the front door with a gun in each hand waiting for someone to come in.

Sadly the perception of the American gun nutt haunts us.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '22

Anyone with two brain cells should know that Canada and America are two separate countries. The arguments and opinions I'm proposing are meant for people on the fence about gun ownership in Canada.

Sure, stinky big bad Americans are our neighbors, but they're not us and we shouldn't let them dictate how our country goes about doing things.

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u/Q363Q Jun 13 '22

Just playing devil's advocate, because we live in a world where the moral compass spins like a helicopter blade.

Let's say that tomorrow getting a gun for self defense becomes a valid. Can you imagine any scenario where that would benefit gun owners? Because at the end of the day the CBC will omit any part of the story it has to in order to run the story in an anti-gun fasion.

Let's face it, if they had to cover the Friday the 13th movies it would read: "The body of Jason Voorhees has been discovered on Saturday the 14th at Crystal Lake. The victim of a tragic shooting by several teenages. Jason was a quiet guy who loved hockey, slow menacing walks with his machete and his mother."

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '22

The benefit is that people wouldn't have to wait minutes for police to deal with a home invasion, theft, assault, violent crime, whatever.

There's not much of a point in trying to win over legacy media outlets like the CBC. They can say what they want but as long as people have the ability to protect themselves and aren't dragged through the legal system for no good reason, that's fine by me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '22

Definitely not illegal. But I wouldn't want anyone to have their guns confiscated, pay six figures for court fees only to be found out they were in the right. That's getting into more complex things that I don't understand enough though.

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u/DJW2289 Jun 14 '22

You forget that trudeau has 0 brain cells and uses American events to rile up his base and build support.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '22

Trudeau has the brain cells his base doesn't

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u/WhatAShame8 Jun 13 '22

Anecdotal, but I have a short story. My uncle and aunt from vancouver visited me in May and I took him out shooting on the last week before he left. (His first time shooting). Yesterday I got a call from him saying that when he uploaded the photos of him at the range to show his friends, 90% of the feedback was positive and most people who commented wanted guns for themselves for self defence (they’re laymen so they don’t know thats not legal). Maybe public opinion towards guns isn’t as bad as they say. My uncle is a 68 y/o chinese boomer vancouver urbanite. He went from uninformed and apathetic to guns to pro-gun with one day at the range.

I agree Self-defence needs to be articulated for us to have any hopes of keeping guns in the long run, but taking people to the range is also the fastest way to educate the public.

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u/Q363Q Jun 13 '22

That's the same way I fight the good fight.

I had one girlfriend a few years back who was completely anti-gun, and worked in an industry that is anti-gun in general. I took her out to a friend's farm and blasted a few pumpkins with a 12 AWG. She quietly told her friend at work about it. And her friend admit to her she was into skeet shooting. They went to shoot skeet together and she ran into half dozen people from work out there. People who she's know for a decade that had to keep it quiet, and advised her to do the same. Which to me is completely insane. But hey, one more putting down the koolaid.

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u/TheChroniclesOfTaint Jun 13 '22

Jesus christ that's kinds scary to hear. People who are parade as anti-gun but actually secretly shoot guns? Atleast you got through to another one.

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u/Q363Q Jun 13 '22

They don't really parade as anti gun, they just don't admit to being pro gun.

It's a big shame really because I think that people who are in the left but are pro gun could really do some good debunking some of the left myths.

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u/TheChroniclesOfTaint Jun 14 '22

I agree with you. I know some really left wing people who think liking firearms = American 2A supporter, but they own bolt action (dont hunt) rifles which is A-OKAY. So confusing to me.

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u/Fredarius Jun 15 '22

Sadly the only way I see self defence wit a gun becomes allowable is such a egregious court case where a woman is defending her children from a most horrific of a person attacking them. Then the lady shoots the dude/s dead and then the RCMP charges her with murder and then gets convicted somehow and then it winds it way to the Supreme Court and then somehow the big minds of the court decide that defence with gun is permissionable and a reason to own said gun. Until then we’re gonna get death by a thousand cuts.

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u/WhatAShame8 Jun 15 '22

I actually agree. There needs to be a landmark case, or as bad as it sounds, illegal gun crime needs to sky rocket after the ban. Homeowners imprisoned for injuring a home invader being publicized. People feeling unsafe in general. Acceleration might be the only way.