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The average urbanite? I don't know where you're situated but the people I've talked to are open to gun ownership. Only caveat being is that they don't know much about our laws. I'm talking with men aged 18-24 (minority or white) day in day out and most wish the had a piece on them 24/7. It's the soccer mom Karens, younger college aged women and Twitter users who decide to step out of their house that are so anti-gun. These people usually have their minds made up so even more appeasement isn't going to work. Why are Redditors so fascinated with appeasement when that's the only method being used for over 30 years?

We need to get off our high horse - we're not smart, and our opponents aren't dumb

First of all yeah we have a solid ground to argue from. Not taking ourselves seriously literally won't do us favors lol. Speak for yourself

Optics is what matters

Yup. Sports shooting is a failed angle. Violent crime in Vancouver and Toronto are still going up. Just the other night two or three people got shot up in Toronto. So much for "keeping Canadians safe". Let's call the police and have them set up a crime scene around our dead bodies, not like they're stretched thin enough though!

we need to create a new gun rights organization if the current ones don't represent us

There's already so many. CCFR has the biggest momentum and right now we need one big movement. Gun owners calling for more OICs is enough of a problem. That needs to be fixed first.

adopt and try to incorporate urban language into the gun community

As I've already said, most guys around the 18-24 range are open to gun ownership. Soccer moms, young women, Twitter users are so vehemently anti gun for a variety of reasons.

Openly condemn violence within our communities and disassociate from people who advocate to use guns for violence

No shit? But being "in front" of American stories is the exact reason why we're silent about it. It only gives anti gunners fuel to say "Look! They're defending and associating with Americans! That means they're bad!" Who gives a fuck about them. We're not them, they're not us.

E: Also this is a double edged sword. If we back ourselves into a corner (again), we'd be arguing ourselves away from being able to use guns for self defence. Revolution? Obviously denounce that. Stupid as fuck. Self defence, sustainment and responsibility? That's the type of violence we should be arguing for.

We need to be welcoming and inclusive

We already are. I don't know what you're trying to get at with that but firearms ownership is inherently a male dominated thing, like tuner car culture or tinkering with technology. Lecturing people is unfortunately the corner we've been backed into because of constant pandering and appeasement. I can't believe I have to say this, but welcoming more gun owners who have the same mentality towards gun ownership are who we should be welcoming first and foremost.

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Thanks for your reply. If I understand you correctly, the current approach to the issues are the best way to continue forward.

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I like to think so. I see where you're coming from and it's clearly a well thought out approach. I like it but I don't think it can work anymore. The opposition doesn't want to engage us in good faith so I feel like it would be moot to try and extend an olive branch to them. Shifting our narrative to a self defence / property right angle would do us a lot of good.

E: and your message about being inclusive isn't wrong either. But inclusivity just for the sake of it would be artificially beefing up the gun community with people who aren't as invested as me or you. We need to attract the right people.

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Well it's going to have go down well because decades of "muh sports muh hunting muh bolt is all you need" has again, done fuck all. Anyone outside of the major cities has a neutral or positive stance towards guns.

Other than that well said

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We need them to understand :

Criminals will always own guns, no matter what

Banning them only takes them out of legal civilian hands

Only then can you maybe propose the self defence thing.

People do understand that, it's just that they don't think that our current excuse of sports shooting justifies the risk of having weapons around. Nearly every single person that I've ever argued with who refused to change their mind, didn't accept that guns are worth the risk just to keep around for sport. I've had people make a lot more concessions when discussing defensive gun use, and linking people to stories that happened here in Canada where people saved their lives, and their families lives, with their guns.