r/canadaguns Jun 06 '22

Weekly Politics Thread

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '22 edited Jun 07 '22

Our favorite firearms organizations aren't serving us well.

They have been happily taking everyone's money to "fight the OIC", etc. and spitting back messaging that makes their supporters happy, and not moving the needle at all.

Here's the thing: Our sport exists at the pleasure of the electorate. Firearms will never be a 'right'. No government will ever implement that. We borrow a lot of tone from our friends to the south, but it's really the worst thing to do, given that they have the 2A.

If we really want to expand the tent, we need to develop a Canadian-style message to reach the people that matter in Canada.

Because of Canada's situation, members of firearms advocacy groups don't matter much. Messaging that appeals to them, but falls flat with everyone else, achieves nothing.

Who DOES matter? The average urbanite in Toronto, Vancouver, Ottawa, Calgary, Montreal.

We need to shift our messaging to appeal to these folks. Primarily, we need to communicate that they will see friendly/familiar faces at the range on a Saturday afternoon. That the range is for them. The firearms community, in short, needs to be adopted by urbanites.

It will feel a bit like that underground band you always liked, that now has all these new fans who you don't think understand or care about the history. It will push away some people. It will change in unexpected ways. But that's the only path forward.

How do we achieve this? We need to:

-Get off our high horse. We're not 'smart' and opponents to our interests aren't 'stupid'. We all have emotions and bias.

-Media train ourselves. Understand that it's not a 'facts game'...it's a 'perception game'.

-The messaging and tone of our firearms advocacy organizations are are way off the mark. We need to demand more from them...or create a new organization.

-Adopt and reflect the views and language of urban Canada. They're the future.

-Forget talking about a 2A style implementation in Canadian law. It's a waste of resources and will push us further away from the other goals stated here.

-Clearly and openly denounce those who violate firearms laws or threaten violence with firearms. This has to be the topline priority, in bold. Canadians are awash in news of American mass shootings and we need to be in front of those stories...not pretending they don't exist. We need to strongly and overtly differentiate ourselves from the US so that laypeople understand that Canada is a very different place than the US. Casual browsers of all our media need to get an open and inviting tone from our communication.

-Shift the outward-facing narrative from lecturing, adversarial tone to inclusivity and invitation. We don't need to "educate" people....we need to welcome them.

I wish I could half bold, don't mean to yell. But wanted to highlight the key takeaways.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '22

Rural and sporting has been the face of gun ownership in Canada since forever. Sports shooting should be a pillar of the CCFR but it shouldn't be the face, not anymore.

Sports are just sports. No one "needs" it sorry to say. Has the perception of frivolous hobby ever come across your thoughts? These sport shooters can just find another profession 🤷

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '22

What do you think is more alienating, trying to get into a sport that has such a high skill ceiling, requiring thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to get into? Or an average joe with an AR15 and a shotgun at home used for hunting and self defence? The average uninformed urbanite will go with whatever the hell pop culture tells them. I don't see why we can't be the ones to change public discourse.

I get your point but if the average urbanite just follows along I don't see why we can't make them follow.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '22

No, LARPers are the ones realizing that sports and hunting optics have gotten us nowhere for the past 30 years. This sporting debate is older than me and look where we are. Politicians don't give a fuck, average people think this is just a hobby for rich people.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '22

And that's the angle still being used today. 2020 OIC and now Bill C21. They're banning airsoft, that's a sport. IPSC, 3 gun, skeet, probably all on the line now because the firearms used for them are on the chopping block.

Do we have to play the sport angle even harder or should there be a narrative shift?

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '22

You're not even addressing my points because you know this sports angle is bullshit and had been for over a decade. What next, semi automatic rifles and body armor don't belong in civilian hands?

These people already hate us and CPC saw 600k members join their ranks since Jan this year. Literally only urbanites hate us.

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u/throwa37 Jun 06 '22

This argument makes no sense. "Rural and sporting" gun use isn't under threat. Semi-auto centerfires are being targeted right now, precisely because they don't fit the sporting optics that you think are going to save us.

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u/throwa37 Jun 06 '22

Last I checked, the biggest threat to the sport right now was the measures to ban handgun sales

Maybe. The AWB (including the evergreen/feature ban that's apparently coming as an amendment to this bill) is arguably just as damaging.

The Mini-14 is a far better ambassador rifle than the AR15 will ever be.

Right now at this moment, I agree. Not that I think it makes much of a difference.

The average Canadian sees a black rifle and they immediately want it banned

I understand that, and we need to solve that problem. Hence the idea that we need to sell these rifles as useful, not just sports equipment.