Part of their background check involves the RCMP checking in with their home country. They have a bit more of an uphill battle getting their license depending on where they’re from to be honest. I’ve heard Chinese citizens have a particularly hard time.
Oh... that's strange actually...... I mean getting international proof of good conduct was finicky with notaries and stuff but it's wasn't particularly hard, per se. I received mine about 1 month after application. Probably they checked my background and it just says "sweet summer child" or something... I really don't know. Like, I heard about even Canadian citizens having their application submitted multiple-years-and-counting ago and I'm honestly really surprised that I got mine that quick.
P.S. And in case it wasn't clear, I'm Chinese, which made it all the weirder too.
The problem isn't licensing non-citizens, the vast majority just partake in shooting sports like the rest of us. The ones causing trouble don't "need" a license anyways.
Depends where, public transit exists. Some people should not have a license to drive.
There has been construction near where I live, and I've seen 4 accidents there and over a dozen near misses because people think road rules are just recommendations.
On one hand, I absolutely agree that PAL should be a privilege of citizenship. On the other hand, how do you allow visitors to Canada who come to hunt to use their firearms? How do we restrict gun ownership to citizens only without damaging the guiding/hunting business?
That already exists and requires no course. Visitors can enter Canada with non-restricted firearms for hunting or sporting just by filling out a form (RCMP 5589). Once the form is signed off by the CBSA the form serves as a temporary license and permits them to buy ammunition while in Canada.
The form is specifically only for non-residents, anyone who is a resident of Canada needs a PAL.
Sometimes non-residents who visit frequently get a PAL in order to cut down on paperwork. For example some Americans living in border regions who hunt frequently in Canada will get their PALs.
You can get a short term import permit no pal needed. But commenter above is off their rocker we don’t issue guns we issue licences to those who meet all criteria and pass testing.
In this particular case, and many like it on social media in recent years, the non-citizens are not following the firearm laws. Add to that, that our courts will give leniency to them because of their immigration status, they should at the very least have to wait until they are citizens IMO. If we can’t enforce the laws because of their immigration status, I think we should remove the privilege.
Non-citizens don't follow traffic laws all the time too. You don't punish an entire group for the actions of one.
Everyone is equal under the law so the solution isn't restricting firearms licenses from non-citizens but instead just punishing those who break the laws/regulations regarding firearm usage and ownership with the same level of strictness that citizens do.
Agreed. How do you make the courts actually follow-through on that though? It’s the right answer but in reality the lawyers will literally argue that if they get punished it will hurt their immigration status, and this has proven to be a successful argument for leniency in court.
I don't have an answer. It's hard enough to get the goverment to do something it wants to do nevermind something it has no care to do so I have no idea how to get them to start enforcing laws properly, regardless of immigration status, if that's even possible at all.
But I know 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Plus if the goverment is so reluctant to properly enforce firearm laws on immigrants because it might hurt their status and appear discrimatory then they're DEFINITELY not gonna make a rule restricting firearm licenses to citizens.
This needs to change. Unless you have a green card in the US for example, you are not allowed to have firearms. There are exceptions for hunters, but that’s about it.
But it's federal law, you need to be a lawful resident of the United States/and of the state you're in to buy/take possession of bought firearms through an FFL. ATF form 4473 literally asks if you're a permanent resident or citizen. If you're visiting the US as a Canadian or living as a "snowbird", NICS would fail your background check given your status.
Depends on the state and country. I tried to find it for local to me WA counties and it was too much of a patch work of rules... i stopped bothering.
Wanted to get something for predator control while planning WaBDR
Go read the questions on a 4473. You just need to qualify as a state resident ( not green card holder and not a visa holder, a state resident, most states you can do that simply by staying for x months)
I’m an Aussie Permanent resident with a PAL. Been here 12 years and have the wherewithal to maybe not hang off the side of a jeep and muzzle sweep my mates trying to look staunch 😂 these lads love to mess it up for all of us
You people are forgetting one thing. There are temporary residents like Visitors. There are longer term temporary residents like students and workers. There are permanent residents too.
These guys might be permanent residents. And permanent residents can do all the things excluding voting and running for office.
Very Likely these are not workers or students or visitors but PRs.
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u/AdhesiveCam 6d ago
This kind of behavior is going to lose us all of our guns before too long.