r/canadaguns • u/Mysterious_Sleep7443 • 16d ago

News / Politics / Activism Why Cops Are Rejecting The Gun Grab

https://youtu.be/YdXw4IUpFAw?si=xSLzrlPjxxYBy0U_

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u/Mysterious_Sleep7443 16d ago edited 16d ago

Just Remember Public Safety Minister Gary Anandasangaree was caught on tape admitting the program is bad policy but politically motivated and that he would personally bail out lawbreakers.

Those comments alone should of caused this entire program to be scrapped and cost that fool his job

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u/TheBulletBuddy 16d ago

"but that was taken out of context", when he said he would bail out his buddies, he didnt mean he would bail out his buddies. It was a metaphor.

/s

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u/grathontolarsdatarod 15d ago

Hey choir.

This is what happens when you abandon facts and science to create law base on emotion and social engineering.

You get arbitrary clause and arbitrary enforcement.

You turn a government into a mafia.

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u/Top_Importance6216 15d ago

Just play the clip for the supreme court ffs.

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u/WeightedDips95 16d ago

So many things should have absolutely tanked the Liberals but apparently Pollievre is “mean” or something? 

And Mark Carney is also the anti-America candidate despite moving businesses there, moving his family, and lying about being wholly invested in their economy. Compared to Pierre who has lived here his whole life. 

I’m not sure maybe if you watch enough CBC they explain it in a way that makes sense 

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u/nope586 16d ago

So many things should have absolutely tanked the Liberals but apparently Pollievre is “mean” or something?

Propaganda is powerful stuff.

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u/PteSoupSandwich The 10/22 Dude 15d ago

Especially when it comes to lead paint boomers

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u/Spare-Swim9458 15d ago

I don’t think propaganda is powerful, I just think the average person is stupid

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u/nope586 15d ago

Oh propaganda is extremely powerful, especially when you control most if not all of the information streams. You can make a population do ANYTHING.

Dictator 101 rule #1 is get control of the media.

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u/cbrdragon 15d ago

Why not both /meme

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u/Spare-Swim9458 15d ago

It is both, I’m just saying ppl are fucking stupid. Like it’s not them fooling millions of brilliant ppl, most ppl are just dumb.

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u/i-Hermit 15d ago

Effective propaganda mobilizes the population and those who reject it are outliers. Think of the propaganda of Nazi Germany. It swayed many brilliant Germans to the Nazi cause. Propaganda is emotional manipulation, which is why it works on smart people too.

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u/JimmyKillem sk 15d ago

Man, you're about to make me break one of the Sub rules about politics 🤦‍♂️

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u/thecoolernameistaken 15d ago

Uhm ahkshually you mean maple maga milhouse 🤓 he would have sold us to America

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u/windexo 15d ago

I know a lot of older liberal voters and they couldn't stomach voting for Trudeau again, a lot where gonna jump to the NDP. they felt so relieved when the old white man started running the party again and ran back to the libs.

It was quite something to watch.

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u/Zlatanski 15d ago

im not sure if you havent noticed by now, but politics is as much a personality contest as it is a question of policy choices. Pollievre is just not likeable to most canadians

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u/IGnuGnat 15d ago

I often say that politics is just a popularity contest in which we vote for the slickest liar. The politicians say what ever they think will get votes, and then do what ever they want once they are in power. We've been following this archaic ritual for generations now.

My position is that who we vote for has very little meaning. We ought to vote directly on the laws, vote recorded via blockchain publicly, and the job of the politician is to directly implement the will of the people. If they fail to implement the laws as voted upon within a reasonable time they are fired, the same as anyone who can't execute their job responsibilities, and we let someone else take a shot

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u/Metalock 15d ago

I've been wanting this for so long. The common man deserves a lot more influence on their own life/community than just filling out a ballot every 2-5 years where all we can really do is vote for the lesser of 6 evils. I'd rather the people vote directly on legislation than elect a bunch of corporate goons to propose bills against our own interest and there's nothing we can do about it, and there needs to be more avenues to peacefully remove inept/corrupt politicians from office instead of just sitting around waiting for an election to be called.

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u/Putrid-Jicama-9838 15d ago

So more of a direct democracy then? More control over individual issues instead of total reliance on an elected representative? Or maybe splitting the responsibility with some direct voting and some representative voting in parliament? I am intrigued. 🤔

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u/IGnuGnat 15d ago

I would describe it as direct democracy. Politicians are permitted to submit proposals for changes to laws or new bills, and so are citizens. Citizens who need assistance with structuring the legalities of the proposal and submitting their proposals and bills would be assisted by the representatives, and the legal assistance would be provided by the same teams that provide legal assistance to the current politicians.

Forget about representative votes: we don't need it. The people vote directly. The people who are most interested in a specific topic or legality are likely to be the most well informed and more likely to vote. The more important the issues are the more people will vote.

There would still be propaganda, CBC news commentary, lobbyists and institutions who try to change or influence public opinion; that happens already and probably wouldn't change that much. It is and would be the job of the citizens to properly educate, inform themselves and spread awareness on the issues that are important to them.

The votes would be recorded on public blockchain so that any attempts to hack the vote would be recorded for all posterity, for later examination etc

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u/WeightedDips95 15d ago

I’ve noticed. Canadians are either irredeemably dumb or blinded by propaganda(probably both). They elected Trudeau 3 times and then his replacement. Neither are even genuine or charismatic characters. There’s no point in picking your leaders to try to please their impossible standards. 

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u/PhantomNomad al 15d ago

I would argue that Pierre isn't mean. He's just unelectable as party leader. He needs to fire his campaign manager. When Carney became leader people saw him with his multiple credentials and his ability to speak in more then three word slogans as a better option. The Conservatives are also having a big problem with how they are seen as no better then the Republicans in the US. Parties like the UCP are not helping with that image. Also remember that the vast majority of Canadians don't give a shit about us and our guns and would be quite happy to just let the current situation continue. By that I mean our guns are stuck in our safes and the government isn't even going to pay us for them. One last note Pierre may have lived here his entire life, but he hasn't done anything but be a MP. Even worse is he has said that people shouldn't be a career politician, and yet he is one.

I didn't vote Liberal and never will. I also won't vote Conservative because they don't represent what I want to see governing our country. I vote NDP but even they are hard to vote for as they have dropped the working class as a priority. Maybe Avi will change that.

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u/guestpassonly 14d ago

Every party is shit these days

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u/WeightedDips95 15d ago

I stopped reading after the three word slogan part. Absolutely false. What a bunch of slop

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u/PhantomNomad al 15d ago

That's all I heard when he was campaigning after he lost his seat. I live in his riding (Alberta). I attended a couple of his rallies. Sure he spoke about how bad the liberals where but there was nothing of substance in his speeches. But then again running in the safest conservative seat in the country he doesnt even need to try.

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u/WeightedDips95 15d ago

Good fanfic

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u/PhantomNomad al 14d ago

All I ever heard from him was how bad the Liberals where and nothing of substance. That and I just dont trust the conservatives to do anything good for the people. Much like the liberals they are only in it for the power and money.

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u/guestpassonly 14d ago

Never vote for someone who only belittles and blames others and doesn't even offer up a game plan or a damn alternative

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u/The_guy_mp 15d ago

Pierre is a dipshit. Cons need a new leader.

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u/nope586 15d ago

The next one will be labeled the same, just as Scheer and O'Toole were. It will go down this way until the Laurentian Elite get one of their guys as CPC leader, then the Liberals will be "allowed" to loose because the CPC won't be a threat to the powers that be.

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u/WeightedDips95 15d ago

Both Doug Ford and Jason Kenney(both neolib swamp monsters) are actively jockeying for his spot. The media knows this and that’s why there is the greatest smear campaign in history going on. Like the media is more focused on made up internal squabbling of the CPC and covering anonymous sources than the dumpster fire that is Canada with the LPC actually in charge. 

We either stand now or it’s completely over. Everyone needs to rally around Pierre right now or voting will really make no difference. Not even that Pierre is perfect, I have lots of critiques but it only gets worse from here. 

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u/nope586 15d ago

I'm not even a conservative and I agree with this. I can just see what's going on.

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u/WeightedDips95 15d ago

Pierre is actually fine. Has his flaws but he’s incalculably better than any of the alternatives 

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u/RoundBottomBee 15d ago

I think he is seen as a career politician who has been ineffectual. Combine that with his appealing to the fringe right to win leadership (truckers, crypto, etc), and the centre stays away now that Trudeau is gone. A bowl of waxed fruit could have beaten Trudeau.

Cons need an adult in the room along the lines of Harper.

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u/No-Contribution-6150 15d ago edited 10d ago

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u/WeightedDips95 15d ago

Right, exactly my point. Absolutely no critique of him is based on substance.

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u/bigT689 15d ago

Bro is literally one of the most reasonable guys we’ve had in politics in a long time lmao

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u/NaiveTension4164 15d ago

Name where he’s gone wrong?

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u/WeightedDips95 15d ago

You won’t get anything logical or concrete. It will be something extremely intangible and contradictory. 

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u/PhantomNomad al 15d ago

The conservatives have a major image problem. They are seen as maple mega and while this might not be Pierre's views, he has cozied up to the far right a bit to much. When the Liberals start losing in the polls they always bring up how the conservatives will remove abortion rights, and introduce gun laws along the 2A. That's enough for people not to vote for them. I think this last campaign was the first time that it wasn't brought up, but the Liberals also didn't drop in the polls like Trudeau was. The conservatives need to purge their ranks of the Preston Manning Reform party types before they can move forward.

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u/WeightedDips95 15d ago

Thanks for proving my point 

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u/PhantomNomad al 15d ago

Doesn't need to be tangible if you are unlikeable. Get a better campaign manager. PP is done and will never be PM.

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u/WeightedDips95 15d ago

Again, thanks for proving my point. Any system that elevates people like Trudeau and Carney on the premise they are uniquely “likeable” is wrong and flawed. Canadians will suffer until they learn this

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u/PhantomNomad al 15d ago

Sorry but I think Carney is way more qualified for the position at this time. Still didnt bote Liberal. Articulate and intelligent beats the shit the Conservative are throwing.

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u/IfImBitchyImDrunk 15d ago

This is all you need to know

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u/Western_Wish4280 15d ago

Nah if they ever ban hammer my sks or my soon to be delivered makasi, im never ever giving them up. If i ever need money that bad id part with my wedding ring but not those. I mean i Bought them "Legally" working legally and paying taxes on it, fuck them for producing a paperwork trying to take them away from me. And more off fuck the guys who sign up for the buyback programs. We should stand united and totally boycott the stupid program.

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u/Humble_Canuck 13d ago

It is my understanding that it was predominantly the brick and mortar shops that signed up. They don't want to hold valueless inventory.

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u/NeoShogo 15d ago

I sold my handguns 3 months before the freeze kicked in. Admittedly I wasnt paying attention to the bill. One of the worst mistakes I ever made. Last thing ill do is hand over my rifles.

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u/Big-Guitar-1979 16d ago

Just a matter of time, unfortunately

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u/silvermoon26 15d ago

Sucks but I’m taking my S&W M&P 15T in on Friday for the buyback. Had it for like 2 months before it was made prohib. Only got to take it to the range 3 times.

But they’re giving me more than what I paid for it and I need the money more than I need a paperweight rusting in my safe. Haven’t even been able to go to the range since my son was born anyway.

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u/COBETCKNNcoyuz 15d ago

Idk why people are hating on buyback when you should hate on oics. Would you prefer a world with all the bans but you dont get paid if you hand prohibs in?

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u/VanillaHighlights 15d ago

Pourquoi pas les deux?

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u/COBETCKNNcoyuz 15d ago

Im just saying we should be focusing on root cause and that’s apparently triggering for many in this community

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u/yummybunnybear 15d ago

I guess people are mad because the "buyback" program was designed as a prisoners dilemma by deliberately underfunding it to incentivize people to declare their prohibs early to get a piece of the small buyback pie. So the early declarants are considered traitors.