Assuming the coming Supreme Court challenge rules in the governments favour, are we expecting OIC #4?

[u/Flat-Dark-Earth]

Worst case scenario, the Supreme Court ruling rules in favour of the government, deciding all previous bans were just.

What do we expect? Another OIC wrapping up the remaining semi-autos by model?

New legislation announced banning firearms by newly defined features?

[u/starw24-ps4]

Carney basically said last shooting they need to go through the “legal process” for banning, ie no more OICs until the SSC decides if it’s legit.

If it is legit, the next OIC will come soon after.

If it’s not legit, I expect they would begin the 18 month legislation like the handguns did.

We are now in a strange limbo state where only RCMP FRT swaps are possible fast bans - see my poor N4S that was lost in a boating accident.

[u/Flat-Dark-Earth → u/starw24-ps4]

So assuming a future OIC is in the works. Are you thinking it will be limited to semi-auto stanag pattern rifles, or wider reaching?

[u/starw24-ps4 → u/Flat-Dark-Earth]

I’ll tell you what I did - I sold my Turkish semi “hunting rifle “ for a makasi, as I expect if the makasi / Carmel go under, the Turkish ones will be going the way of the dodo as well.

Don’t get me started on crusader, I already learned my lesson on a crypto with no FRT.

If you read the “expert” panel on firearms (which was going to be the path forward of Public Safety), their recommendation was to prohibit all semi autos with detachable mags of over 5 rounds (Stanag, Sks promag, etc). Take that as you will.

[u/GoGetInvolved → u/starw24-ps4]

The "expert" panel that was so "expert" they wouldn't even tell us who the "experts" were. The "expert" panel that didn't even give any evidence for why it made the "expert" recommendation it did.

Such a joke.

[u/boozefiend3000 → u/GoGetInvolved]

It was just poly and some twat liberal mp’s

[u/New_Patience_8938 → u/[deleted]]

I mean, they did try to sneak that semi auto ban in with the handgun freeze. They just couldn't pass the last minute amendment in the house because its fucking ridiculous.

[u/Longjumping_Deer3006 → u/New_Patience_8938]

And the airsoft ban.

[u/Flat-Dark-Earth → u/starw24-ps4]

It would be interesting if the SKS were caught up in the same ban criteria as it wasn’t designed to have a detachable mag.

That would leave a lot to interpretation on historic firearms that have since been modified to accept a magazine other than OEM.

[u/dannysmackdown → u/Flat-Dark-Earth]

They touched on that too, essentially saying something along the lines of the stock configuration being ok but taking a closer look at modified SKS's. Whatever the fuck that means.

[u/Q-Ball7 → u/dannysmackdown]

It means that they hate the fact your culture is interesting, and want to ban anything an outside observer would consider as such.

The new school of gun culture really isn't like the one of the Fudds, and the enemy wants guns to die out with the Fudds.

That's all this is.

[u/beastslayer2563 → u/dannysmackdown]

So like SKS-D’s and SKS-M’s, or like a bubbaed normal SKS? What does that even mean?

[u/dannysmackdown → u/beastslayer2563]

Nobody, including them, knows.

[u/starw24-ps4 → u/beastslayer2563]

Any SKS that has been “modified” to take a magazine that holds more than 5, and is easily removable.

[u/Dependent_Account603 → u/Flat-Dark-Earth]

That would require a new system of sorts because as is, a firearms status is determined by the receiver alone.

In California they came out with workarounds to such. For example the bullet button magazine release - because if the magazine requires a tool for disassembly, it doesn't qualify as detachable. A bullet tip being a tool.

[u/yummybunnybear → u/starw24-ps4]

Good on you for getting the gun you want. Take it from me who was contemplated whether to get more handguns when they were considering the municipal handgun ban idea (Remember that?) I followed my heart and got the handguns I wanted and the government switched from a municipal handgun ban to a handgun freeze. Who knows what the future will bring, but for now I have what I want and I can shoot what I want. The Makasi (and Carmel) are strange anomalies. They resemble the guns that were OIC'ed, but the government did not factor in these guns when they already decided to push through the confiscation program for the already-banned guns. So the government realistically cannot OIC the Makasi and Carmel to be dealt with by the same program. Sure, the government can just ban and do whatever they want. But the parameters are not the same. Might as well get what you want and hope for the best.

[u/Lumindan → u/Flat-Dark-Earth]

The end goal is all firearms. The writing is on the walls with that slow crawl.

My personal guess is they'll name ban the remaining semi automatics or they'll full send and ban anything that takes a magazine. Or they'll just say anything that can take x amount is banned.

Would wipe a lot off the board (shotguns, levers, bolts etc).

It'd be an OIC if they win, if they lose they'll just ram a bill through the house.

[u/Natural_Comparison21 → u/Lumindan]

They can try but the problems still remain the same. The buyback is a mess, police forces don’t want to deal with it so enforcement is basically non existent. It’s pretty much dead in the water and with the ever increasing number of PAL holders the idea of mass criminalization is out of the question. Pretty much the only W they are getting from this is a end of the sales and a slow death of the culture. Which for the government that’s fine but for the anti gun groups like Poly that upsets them. If it was up to them they would want every single person who did even the most basic of civil non compliance to have the book thrown at them to ‘send a message.’ The government however logistically is incapable of doing that.

[u/Midnightmax_ → u/Flat-Dark-Earth]

Semi auto shotguns. (Heard a rumour the RCMP has a list of 2500 ready to go. Coincidentally there are ~2500 models of semi shotguns according to Armalytics)

[u/Flat-Dark-Earth → u/Midnightmax_]

That would be significant. I’d expect another large outcry from the hunting community.

[u/naidacsac → u/Flat-Dark-Earth]

The WW2 rifle ban was significant. I thought there was an understood line in the sand before, but it's been kicked away to nothing now.

[u/Flat-Dark-Earth → u/naidacsac]

It was also pretty random.

Ban the M1 carbine, leave the M1 Garand.

Ban the AG42 but not the SKS.

Ban the Rasheed but not the G43.

[u/Dependent_Account603 → u/Flat-Dark-Earth]

I feel the g43 was an oversight. The SKS is protected due to its popularity.

[u/Cope180-Enjoyer → u/Dependent_Account603]

Not banning something due to how popular it is or banning something due to public opinion defines how stupid liberals are. Can they use logic or facts ever?

[u/Dependent_Account603 → u/Cope180-Enjoyer]

Well they claim it's due to popularity with natives for "hunting".

I'm more inclined to believe natives keep them as a deterrent to government tyranny and over reach.

[u/starw24-ps4 → u/Flat-Dark-Earth]

Seems like for the majority of them the goal was to leave internal mags / tube feds alone. That way they don’t stir up the large hunter crowd. While it’s true some people use mag feds for hunting (I used to), almost all of the 25+ hunters I know use tubes.

I think they’re following Australia’s route if you look at their history of bans. They’re a few steps ahead of us in dearming, down to manual actions primarily now. Each mass shooting is another push forward sad as it is.

[u/Newftube → u/starw24-ps4]

I'm fairly certain theres and old interview in Quebec where Heidi Rathjen is saying their goal is complete bans on firearms. Take it with some salt, because I cant find a link for it at the moment.

But with all that said, they already telegraphed their opinions on airsoft and paintball, which is pretty identical to what they already do in Australia.

[u/Cre_AK47 → u/Flat-Dark-Earth]

That's why their strategy to do it bit by bit. Start with the scary "assault rifles", move on to the "weapons of war", then "rapid fire weapons" (semi-autos), then "concealed weapons" (handguns), "high powered sniper rifles", then the "repeater" weapons, then last but not least, all remaining firearms; muskets, 22's, airsoft, etc.

The Fudds are selfish assholes and will happily throw us under the bus, and then by the time when the anti-gun politicians come for their "repeater shotguns" or "high-powered sniper rifles", no one will be left around to defend them.

[u/EnvironmentBright697 → u/Flat-Dark-Earth]

Super popular for duck hunters

[u/Flat-Dark-Earth → u/EnvironmentBright697]

Duck hunters, even big game hunters in shotgun only zones.

[u/Parking_Media → u/Midnightmax_]

I hope you're right (but doubt it) because that'll mobilize all the older folks who shoot trap.