r/canadaguns • u/raymondtrudeau • 2d ago

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Anybody know what gun his mag would used in? Looks a lot bigger than 5.56-.223 to me.

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u/LananasCourageux 2d ago

They are Sig 716 and they were acquired not without some controversy. Truly hypocritical. Meanwhile the Canadian Rangers are doing just fine against polar bears with Tikka T3x Arctics.

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u/NorthwindX7 2d ago

I mean personally I started carrying a BAR in .308 instead of my t3x in .308 for deep brush hunting. I like being able to justify it by saying "it's essentially what the conservation officers are carrying for the same reason".

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u/Iokua_CDN 2d ago

Honestly, I really  want a semi auto 308. Folding stock to make up for the 18.5 inch barrel while still keeping it compact.

Chances are I'll never have to defend myself against a wild animal,  but if I ever did have too, I'd much  rather have a 5 round semi auto Than fumble with my bolt action. Even better if they had pistol mags.

The only other gun I'd feel confident I could maybe shoot a second  shot is a pump action, from all the practice missing at clays and having to shoot again. Otherwise.... not even my lever action to I feel is be able to shoot twice in a stressful situation 

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u/NorthwindX7 2d ago

It was pump action for me until I got into hunting. I was looking into levers but all the triggers are pretty subpar, and I didn't realize the Bar was still legal, pretty happy with it. It's long but for hunting it's not an issue. Definitely makes me feel better being out in the middle of nowhere alone with the prey and predators.

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u/Iokua_CDN 2d ago

True, I guess most hunting rifles are 20 inches or close anyways. 

What caliber is your bar in?? I've been looking at the cheaper used European 3006 ones for a while now.  Figured the cost savings over the 308 versions were worth it,  though if they finally bring in the removable magazines bars,  that might change

Edit  reread your first comment and realized you said it was a 308! 

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u/NorthwindX7 1d ago

Yeah I landed on .308 for a few reasons-

-It's plentiful, and PMC bronze is available for cheap training ammunition. -It holds 4 in the hinge mag instead of 3. -Recoil to lethal range ratio is perfect for North American game all the way up to moose.

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u/AresV92 1d ago

That's the main reason I'd want one over my 12ga is for a momma or bull moose. In the Loch Alva wilderness area they are all over. The black bears are usually pretty skittish so we don't really have to worry about them unless you get between the mom and her cubs.

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u/NorthwindX7 1d ago

12g slugs are still extremely, if not more efficient for stopping wilderness threats. If not hunting I would take my 12g over the bar.

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u/NorthwindX7 1d ago

I should clarify that slugs would be 3" hard cast like brennek black magic or something similar

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u/AresV92 1d ago

Yeah I'm carrying the Rio Brenneke hard cast slugs, but I always think about how little time I'd have if I were loaded for ruffed grouse (2 3/4", 1 1/4oz, #6 bismuth at 1450fps) like I usually am when walking and a moose came out of the thicket. If I shot that at a charging moose it would probably just piss it off. I guess that's where a 10mm handgun in a holster would be useful. Thanks RCMP... Either way I'm definitely not getting a BAR any time soon because of the price so it's just wishful thinking. My next gun will probably be a lever action in .357 for fun plinking with the kids. The .22LRs are only so much fun you know? For now I'll keep carrying bear spray and hoping.

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u/Iokua_CDN 1d ago

Definitely feel you on that, my highest caliber gun is my 308 bolt action for many of the same reasons. Cheapo norinco ammo, or spend a little bit extra for the PMC bronze, and more capacity in the mags.

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u/717Luxx 1d ago

12ga semi. Benelli is the only I'll trust my life to. Beretta probably fine too.

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u/Ov3rReadKn1ght0wl 2d ago

Yeah, that whole controversy really pissed me off. The helicopter deer cull only added to it.

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u/NorthwindX7 2d ago

Government could have done a really cool hunter program for a fraction of the cost of what they squandered. I don't mind that they gave us easy political ammunition for gun rights though.

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u/Relevant_Diver_3228 2d ago

Well doing fine after they had to replace all of the shitty stocks 

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u/LananasCourageux 2d ago

Yeah, no clue why they would get something in laminate but also spec stainless for the metal bits.

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u/Apologetic-Moose 2d ago

A lot of the Rangers' jurisdiction is in the Arctic. I didn't live all that far north in Nunavut and daytime ambient temperatures were still consistently -40 or lower in the dead of winter. Lots of the Inuit in the Rangers have had bad experiences with polymer stocks in extremely low temps, because polymer tends to get brittle when it's frozen. Wood can expand and contract with temperature and moisture but generally retains its structural integrity, in addition to being an insulating/warm-touch material.

The stocks delaminating seems to be a Colt Canada QA issue so far, as none of the Tikka-built T3x Arctics I've seen have had delaminated stocks.

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u/AresV92 1d ago

Didn't they use the wrong glue to make the laminate? Seems like the kind of thing you'd want a tech transfer from Tikka. Some manager probably trying to cut costs at Colt, wouldn't be the first time.

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u/GreenCactus223 2d ago

Man shows up with the PO

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u/Nilotaus 2d ago edited 2d ago

Meanwhile the Canadian Rangers are doing just fine against polar bears with Tikka T3x Arctics.

That's because there's not many firearms that can withstand arctic conditions. They were using Lee-Enfields for the longest time and were pretty much forced to adopt a new rifle because the Lee-Enfields they had were on their last legs and spare parts were getting scarce.

Not to say that the C19 isn't suffering from it's own set of issues either, probably will be rectified but Tikka bolt lugs are pretty thin imho and a possible weak point in the future once these rifles start seeing some wear & tear.

this guys still use M1917 Enfields loaded with .30-06 SLAP for polar bear defence. Really underscores how brutal extreme cold is on mechanical equipment.

Might be worth revisiting the OG AR-10 like what the Dutch KLM airline packed in the arctic survival kits for the transpolar routes they were taking back in the mid-50's. Hell since the entire region is warming up, something like the SCAR-20S might do just fine in the future.

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u/AresV92 1d ago

Knight's SR-25 AR-10s with graphene dry lube and expanding copper solid rounds is what I'd go with. Test the stocks for the -40°C cold to select one that won't crack over time.

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u/Nilotaus 1d ago edited 1d ago

if graphene is anything like graphite, it'll be a bad idea for aluminum receivers since the locking lug track in the receiver can be eroded and at best make the rifle non-functional, ditto for lithium grease. This was already played around with lots by the U.S. with M16's & M4's when the GWOT kicked off because oil likes to hold onto stuff like sand & dust, but they ended up settling with using no lube at all and making-due with the inherent lubricity of chromium on the bolt carrier.

Probably gonna have to settle with a G96+kerosene mix if a steel upper receiver is out of the question, since I'm not sure if a steel cam-track plate similar to a FN SCAR or a Geissele GFR upper will hold up to such rigor or the non-steel section being affected by any dry lube spreading around inside.

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u/AresV92 13h ago

Interesting. Graphene is more slippery than graphite. The carbon is in bunches instead of sheets. No lube it is then.

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u/osmda 1d ago

I’ve shot with a few of the rangers, they seem really fond of their new rifles all things considered