r/canadaguns • u/Swimming-Struggle-13 • 10d ago
Application / Regulation advice What do I do? URGENT
Someone in my household was recently falsely accused of sexual assault. As part of their bail conditions, they are prohibited from possessing firearms, crossbows, and other weapons.
I own three recently prohibited firearms in my collection. Their lawyer has advised that the bail conditions may be considered breached simply because the firearms are in the home. Hopefully, the lawyer can have that condition clarified or amended. If not, I’ll need to transport the firearms to a trusted friend for storage.
What is the process for obtaining an Authorization to Transport (ATT/ATP) for recently prohibited firearms? Is it still possible to get one? I’d rather not participate in the buyback program.
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u/One_Salary_9068 10d ago
Ask that someone... To go some where else
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u/Swimming-Struggle-13 10d ago
im their surety
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u/faultysynapse 10d ago
You have chosen... Poorly.
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u/Swimming-Struggle-13 9d ago
were blood and its a false accusation dog
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u/Traditional_Bus2955 9d ago
I’m sure it’s a false accusation if they took the time to formally charge him, apply conditions etc….
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u/Bangin_Steel 8d ago
You have a cartoon understanding of the process.
Allow me to overshare and word vomit; I promise it's relevant.
In 2020, I caught my then gf cheating on me. I told her I was done and started packing my things. She blocks me from leaving our room and tells me "If you leave me, I will go to the police and tell them you hit my son"
I told her she was a lunatic and that if I ever was going to stay, I most certainly wouldn't be after that. I never laid a hand on that kid. I loved him as if he were my own. I was the only solid father figure he had, as his father was in jail for assaulting the boy's mother (in retrospect, I doubt the legitimacy of his verdict).
So anyways. I called her bluff, and by the end of september (about a week after the CCFR Freedom march in Ottawa) I was arrested and charged with 3 counts of Assault.
There were no witnesses. There was no evidence. Just the word of a vindictive woman who couldn't handle the consequences of her actions.
I spent 3 years in court during covid fighting tooth and nail to beat the charges against me. I had to house my firearms at my uncle's place due to my conditions. I had no clue how things would play out and if I'd ever be able to reclaim ownership of them. Ultimately, I was vindicated when my stepson finally took the stand and told the court his mother and grandparents made him say I hurt him. I came so close to having my life ruined over a false accusation.
The idea that people only get arrested if there's enough evidence is a pipe dream. You would hope the system works that way, but sadly it doesn't. In many cases, the arresting department is more concerned with the wellbeing of the victim than they are of the burden of proof. I do understand why they operate that way.. If this situation had been somebody else who was actually guilty of doing those things, I would expect nothing less than their arrest and eemoval from their victim's life. After experiencing what I went through, I am far less quick to judge. I leave that up to the courts.
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u/DimensionSuch8188 8d ago
Yeah some people have absolutely no idea how many innocent people face the court and that some people who are evee innocent be found guilty and later down the line we realise they were innocent. It's really frustrating how people thinks it's a perfect system with zero mistakes.
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u/Weak_Painter_5800 10d ago
Hi this is 𝙶̶̶̶𝚊̶̶̶𝚛̶̶̶𝚢̶̶̶ ̶𝙰̶̶̶𝚗̶̶̶𝚊̶̶̶𝚗̶̶̶𝚍̶̶̶𝚊̶̶̶𝚜̶̶̶𝚊̶̶̶𝚗̶̶̶𝚐̶̶̶𝚊̶̶̶𝚛̶̶̶𝚎̶̶̶𝚎̶̶̶ Mike from Canmore
You can give me your guns I will take care of them bud! Will definitely return them when you ask!
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u/Cre_AK47 Name Prohibited by OIC 10d ago edited 10d ago
NOT A LAWYER, BUT: If they were previously restricted before prohibition, you will likely need to contact the CFO for a "Alternative Storage Arrangement" at another licensed gun owners house, who had their RPAL. If they were previously NR, you can just show up to a buddy's house (who has their PAL) and have them stored there in the meantime - you don't need to notify the CFO and you can keep it there as long as you like. ASAs last 6 months, but can be renewed.
As per the amnesty, an ST-ATT is not needed for previously restricted, now prohib rifles, and most CFOs will refuse to issue one to a gun where the registration certificate is "nullified" (where the fuck is "nullified" in the Firearms Act??). You could contact your CFO for an ATT anyways, but they'll likely tell you to go away as the amnesty allows you to transport for legal reasons such as relocation, without the need for an ATT.
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u/HapGil 9d ago
To add, you can't get an STATT for a prohibited weapon. I know this because when I moved from BC to Ontario I called for one and was told that it can't be issued for my AR. What they did was issue one for my other restricted(pistols) and told me to take them all in one load, properly secured and do the move.
Consult a lawyer first. My recommendation is if you have any other restricted but not prohibited then call for a blanket STATT to move and store them at another location citing your reason. Fun fact: my AR is still listed as being in BC because of the above issue and when I log into the RCMP website I get a warning that one of my firearms is not listed as being at my current address. It's a shit show being staged by the clown college and a logistical quagmire of utter nonsense.
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u/TescoValueSoup 10d ago
What province are you. I would recommend you get a consultation with a lawyer, knowing which province will help give recommendations.
That said - NAL, but if the firearms are secured and inaccessible to them, they surely cant be found to be in possession of them.
Minus the sexual assault charge, its the same as my spouse not having a PAL but living in the home where I have firearms.
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u/SpectreBallistics Spectre Ballistics International (Verified) 9d ago
This is a question for lawyers not Reddit.
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u/airchinapilot 10d ago
Are they in a safe? Does the member in your household - not you I assume - have access to the safe?
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u/Swimming-Struggle-13 10d ago
No they don’t have access but since its still in the same household they legally possess them.
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u/scratch_043 Mauser Master Race 9d ago
Factually incorrect.
If they do not have keys or codes to open the safe, they are not in possession.
Also, time for a general PSA: if your spouse or anyone else in the household do have access to your firearms, they must have the relevant PAL/RPAL.
YOU could be charged for unsafe storage, and THEY vould be charged with unlawful possession. It is strongly recommended that firearms not be stored in the same safe as stuff like passports, wills, or jewlery. If any unlicensed person has a key or combo, you and they are both in legal jeopardy.
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u/Stryker1-1 9d ago
Thats like saying someone gets in my car that they suddenly have legal possession of my car.
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u/BrotherLefthand 10d ago
Talk to the CFO office. They aren't illegal to own until the amnesty ends.
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u/Thegiant98 9d ago
No, talk to a lawyer. The person you talk to at the CFO office (sometimes even the CFO themselves) don't know shit.
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u/Enough_Challenge7264 9d ago
Ensure he has no access to the guns. That means no keys, no combinations, and the threat of grievous bodily injury to his person if he ever even looks at your sh1t when you aren't around wouldn't hurt either.
I hope he's vindicated, but either way, this is a bunch of his problem not yours. If anything needs to vacate, it's him, not your guns.
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u/powersmoke9494 10d ago
If they aren't previously restricted don't say anything. But don't get caught transporting them either.
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u/Fairsythe 10d ago
NAL but afaik, they do not issue ATT for the newly banned guns. When I moved, upon calling them they told me it was not necessary and that I could transport them to my new house without issue as long as they were in accordance with transportation and storage regulations.
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u/GreenCactus223 10d ago
Ill hold them for you.
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u/Swimming-Struggle-13 10d ago
sure
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u/GreenCactus223 10d ago
Scouts honor friend. Funny enough im already babysitting for 3 different ppl. Lol
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u/Relevant_Diver_3228 10d ago
I would do a better job watching them than he would however if there is a pink gsg it might accidentally get sent to Ukraine
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u/pepsi190 10d ago
I would put them in a box of some sort with stuff on top of them and then drive to where I was taking them. Wouldn't advertise it at all
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u/itsagrapefruit 10d ago
You can get a custodianship letter from the rcmp and have them stored at another person’s household.
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u/LeadingAd1149 9d ago
I have lots of thoughts as well (storing at a firearm repair center, etc) but please. Please. Please. DO NOT rely on Reddit for official advice. I suggest asking a lawyer and as mentioned the CFO.
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u/RockSalt-Nails 8d ago
Not a lawyer but if they're not registered and the crown doesnt know you own them... Well. Self explanitory.
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u/HotIntroduction8049 10d ago
This is more than falsely accused. They were charged with a non trivial criminal offense.
If they are properly stored and have no access to them, then they are not in possession.
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u/Mysterious_Sleep7443 10d ago
I wouldn't do a thing, a judge would have to sign a search warrant for specific reasons
They courts are Wayyyyyy to bust for this petty nonsense
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u/hectop20 9d ago
I know everyone is saying talk to a lawyer, but lawyers may not be aware of the nuances. Best to contact Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights (CCFR)
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u/jeca91 10d ago
I posted bail for someone years ago (but after May 2020) who had a weapons prohib, the Crown was somewhat uncomfortable with the guns being in the house still even though they were locked and he didn't have access, so the compromise was I took the bolt or trigger group or some other critical component out of each gun and stored them at another location. That appeased the Crown. Their lawyer could try to do that in writing.