r/canadaguns • u/Kid-On-Reddit- • Apr 19 '26
News / Politics / Activism Canadian veteran sues U.S. gunmaker over career-ending injury
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.716914547
u/SirKickBan Apr 19 '26
You'd have to have an incredibly solid case to even- ..Oh it's a P320? Yeah that tracks.
Godspeed.
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u/DonAzuld Apr 19 '26
It looks like Sig was ignoring reports of it malfunctioning for way too long. Serves them right.
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u/PotatoFondler Apr 20 '26
I remember the discussion where it was the p320 vs the glock and ultimately it came down to cost. Never surprises me that our military procurement considers lowest bidder to be a good option after many blunders with low bid vendors.
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u/Infinite_Price_3550 Apr 19 '26
Oh dam. I know someone in the CAF that said its not an issue. I guess he was wrong :\
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u/HornyGoatWeedGuzzler Apr 19 '26
I've heard the mass issue C22 pistols don't have the same issue that other 320s do. If I remember correctly the soldier in this incident was CSOR and it took place a few years ago before the adoption of the C22. So this may have been a small batch purchase of the p320, NOT the C22 version, so it may have still had that issue.
This is all from memory though and my brain is pretty geeked these days so take this with a kilo of salt.
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u/rastamasta45 Apr 20 '26
It’s investing I’ve heard people say this but never exposed how, because it’s become clear that the issue lies in the fcu system completely and these are P320’s so there should be an fcu and thus the same problem
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u/DougMacRay617 Apr 19 '26
They 100% have the same issue that has plauged the p320 design. Plot twist, sig doesn't even know the cause
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u/HornyGoatWeedGuzzler Apr 19 '26
Do you have any evidence supporting that they do or don't have the same issue?
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u/Infinite_Price_3550 Apr 19 '26
lol I’m sure you won’t believe me but this person ain’t the family idiot I promise.
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u/Infinite_Price_3550 Apr 20 '26
Ummmm yes. Don’t really understand your comment but the guy isn’t an armourer so totally possible he is wrong. But again he ain’t no dummy.
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u/JurboVolvo Apr 19 '26
I’ve been hearing about this for ages. Surprised no one sued them earlier.
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u/DFA_Wildcat Apr 20 '26
Why does it seem like you can carry it forever and it doesn't go off until you pull it from the holster or drop it, or manipulate it in some manner? You think you're carrying in condition 1 but it seems like you're actually in condition 0.
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u/DougMacRay617 Apr 19 '26
Such a Canadian gov move to even continue the acquisition of these fucking things.
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u/K0bra_Ka1 Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26
I remember this story when it first came out. He tried to convert a P226 holster that was not designed for the P320 and ended up shooting himself. Pretty dumb move.
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u/bombhills Apr 19 '26
People are screaming it’s p320. Yet since the update there has been no one that can recreate a discharge without input. It’s glock leg 2.0.
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u/Cheerful-Pessimist- Apr 19 '26
Literally saw the headline and the P320 was the first thing that came to mind, before even reading it. Not surprised at all.
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u/RagTagPig Apr 20 '26
As I understand it the issue with the P320 comes from differences in parts tolerances from factories in india not being held to the same quality. These parts when even slightly out of spec add up which causes the issue of the P320 discharging randomly. The Canadian version the C22 uses no such parts and this specific case was due to a modified unapproved holster being used which allowed the operator to have their finger in the trigger guard while holstered. I will bet that they lose the suit as there’s nothing wrong with their C22.
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u/pasegr Apr 20 '26
No this case used an approved holster
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u/RagTagPig Apr 20 '26
Source on that? Not doubting but the article above has like nothing for info
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u/pasegr Apr 20 '26
It was during an MP shoot. Using issued holsters. Time frame is during the roll out of the 320 to MP branch
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u/RagTagPig Apr 20 '26 edited Apr 20 '26
The going evidence doesn’t back that up, the C22 isn’t prone to the same issue that normal P320s are, a qualified weapon technician would’ve inspected the weapon after the incident, and if the 2 instances of caf members shooting themselves with the C22 (1 was Cansof the other MP) both instances that I’m aware of were with non issued holsters. Unless you can state here or PMs where your source is from I think you’re mis informed.
EDIT: Upon further research regarding the case with the MP. I can’t say for sure it was an improper holster as I can’t find anything on it other than what I’ve been told (hearsay). But what I can say is a Weapons Technician upon investigating the firearm ruled it as user error. Meaning the firearm operated as it should without issue.
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u/Specialist_Chard5231 Apr 20 '26
A qualified weapons tech looking at the gun doesn't mean much when qualified mechanics can't diagnose cars they are certified to work on.
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u/pasegr Apr 20 '26
User error does not equate to bad holster.... I also never said it was a pistol issue
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u/bombhills Apr 19 '26
Lot is people like “oh it’s a p320” that don’t really know the topic. Yes, plenty of claims that they go off on their own. However, these claims have been found invalid. Dude modified a holster for a different sig model (p226). The 320 has a light trigger pull, and no trigger safety. Modifying a holster for a different platform is just reckless. This will get thrown out.
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u/Borealbound 23d ago
They should have just gone with a Glock, and I say this as someone who hates Glocks. I will concede, they do work, sort of like the town bicycle of the handgun world. You wouldn’t form a long term relationship with or take the town bicycle to meet your parents. While riding the town bicycle might be an underwhelming experience, the town bicycle operates as expected. Glock’s are like that.
I just think they are ugly, they have shit triggers and the lack of a manual safety makes me feel iffy, but they do work. DA/SA metal framed hammer fired CZ inspired designs ftw.
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u/stannis_the_mannis7 Apr 20 '26
Can’t believe they still issue these. God forbid they just issue glocks or one of the other thousands of striker-fired pistols that don’t randomly go off
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u/tghost474 Apr 20 '26
🙃 wasn’t this the case where they were using modified holsters designed for the P226z
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u/matthew_py Apr 19 '26
P320 gonna p320. This is a well known issue, the fact they haven't been pulled from service is shocking