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[u/Prestigious_Gift_977]

is the 2020 ban the start of a trend or an isolated incident? honestly feels like the end goal is complete ban of everything. am i crazy?

[u/Lumindan → u/[deleted]]

I do think they will eventually ban or grandfather the Sks, especially now that they have their majority, but as far as manual action guns go I think they will be fine.

First off, grandfathering is a HUGE trap (because you have to register and they can rug pull it later) plus it won't be with use. They've been working their way through the catalog, there's no indication they'll stop, why do you think they'd stop at manual action? They don't need science or data, they just have keep the wedge running.

We said the same thing about other semis.

We said the same thing about pccs

We said the same thing about non-AR15s (Bren etc)

We said the same thing about hand guns

We said the same thing about AR15s

They've been shifting the goal post constantly. Don't think it stops here.

Without simplified classification and a new government, they'll keep picking away at it otherwise they'd be admitting they've been burning tax money for their own means.

[u/Goliad1990 → u/Lumindan]

You don't need to hunt

You don't need a gun to hunt

You don't need a repeating weapon to hunt

You don't need a semi-automatic weapon to hunt

You don't need a military "style" weapon to hunt > YOU ARE HERE

You don't need a handgun to hunt

You don't need a military weapon to hunt

You don't need an automatic weapon to hunt

Some of us will see the top of this escalation ladder in our lifetimes. We'll be another rung up (you don't need any semi-auto) likely before the end of the year, when we start hearing more about Tumbler Ridge.

[u/Natural_Comparison21 → u/Goliad1990]

Tumbler Ridge is getting memory holed to a point they might not see it. Also side note. It’s funny how a Fudd organization like OFAH literally has said any firearm that is not a full auto is suitable for hunting. The literal fudd org who exists for hunting and fishing purposes.

[u/HappyCan7250 → u/Goliad1990]

"don't need a handgun to hunt" - do the Liberals realize tons of guys in the US hunt with handguns? What about the Canadians who've been mauled and killed by bears while either working, or out hunting in the backcountry? "If it saves a single life!" Should apply to them too. A person carrying a revolver in 44, 454, 460, 10mm, has a better chance of surviving a mailing. There was a guy in BC a few months back who was mauled while elk hunting, he had a bolt action rifle, and got one shot off before being mauled. He ended up dying several weeks later in hospital, after surviving and getting out of the woods (tough old guy, sad story). The bear was also found dead later from a broken leg from the single shot he got off, but if he had been allowed to carry a revolver as a sidearm while hunting, perhaps he'd still be here. I wouldn't want to be trying to manipulate a bolt with a grizzly charging from 15ft.

Also, as most of us know, when the government needed to cull deer in BC, not too far from where I live, they hired a US firm to come in with 30rd, suppressed ARs, and shoot them from helicopters. Apparently 223 is fine for deer then, and an AR-15 is perfectly suitable, even with 30rd mags. Why else would they hire a company using those exact rifles? Could they not have insisted "those aren't hunting rifles!" To the firm they hired? 

And as we all know as well, the AR platform is probably one of the, if not the, most popular hunting rifles in the world. Literally millions of Americans use them for hunting, of all sizes, with chamberings ranging from 223 or 22lr all the way up to 50beo, they can be used for basically any game on the continent. There's a reason Canadian conservation officers carry AR10s!

I know those aren't your talking points, but I just wanted to further emphasis just how fucking ridiculous their talking points are. If anything, Canada has one of the best cases to be made for owning handguns and semi autos, with all the big ass animals we have. BC has the most grizzlies of anywhere in the world, and where I am has some of the highest densities in the world of cougars and black bears as well. I have had some scary run ins with bears before and I would much prefer to have a handgun in a large caliber that could be accessed easily at any time when in the backwoods vs being forced to keep a long rifle nearby or in my tent at night.