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u/sinep_snatas Apr 07 '23

Newby question about the gun ban.

I was at the gun store the other day looking at various rifles and checked out this gun that was chambered in 9mm and looked like an 'assault rifle' (whatever that is). It had a synthetic stock, aluminum hard guard / rail thingy, box style magazine, etc. The guy told me that "AR pattern" guns had been banned, but not this one.

Presumably (and I might be getting this wrong), the feds banned the AR style guns because they look like an assault rifle... which seems insane... to ban a look, and it's more easy to commit crime... ?

The question that I have is; in terms of committing crime, the gun I held can shoot just as fast as any other semi-auto (as fast as you can pull the trigger). It does just as good a job at committing crime as any other semi-automatic gun. This all seems stupid to me, but I would like to hear their rational. Why did they do this? It seems like some semi-automatic rifles were banned that use the same cartridge and operate identically to ones that haven't been banned. How do they justify this? I know this will bring out the "ahh, because they're idiots" responses, but I'm really interested in knowing if there's a logical explanation for all of this. What am I missing?

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u/WSBBroker Apr 07 '23

It’s all a political game to appease lib voters

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u/Neontiger456 Apr 08 '23 edited Apr 08 '23

Simple, they're using the general public's ignorance to ban guns piece by piece. First fully automatic guns were banned, that didn't stop shootings. Now they banned "scary" looking guns (there's no such thing as an "assault" rifle btw), and this too won't stop shootings. Then they banned handguns, still won't stop shootings. So obviously the next step is to ban most semi automatic guns (bill c-21) and that too will not stop shootings. Eventually they will come for every gun and that too will not stop shootings because criminals will always find a way. However we'll all be left defenseless, unarmed, and at the mercy of the government. So unless something changes it ain't looking pretty.

In an ideal world the government would admit that there is no way to stop all shootings and that millions of legal gun owners shouldn't be punished for the actions of a few criminals, but I'm not holding my hopes up for that.

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u/Jayou540 Apr 08 '23

“we'll all be left defenseless, unarmed, and at the mercy of the government” Are you implying that owning guns prevents you from being “at mercy of the government”?

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u/Neontiger456 Apr 08 '23

Yes.

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u/Jayou540 Apr 08 '23

Who enforces government tyranny in your eyes?

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Apr 08 '23

Anyone with power can be a tyrant.
https://youtu.be/zmk55aECt4I

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u/Neontiger456 Apr 08 '23

Obviously law enforcement and/or the military. I come from a post Soviet authoritarian state, you do/say anything the government doesn't like the police take you to jail if you're lucky, if you're unlucky you could even be murdered. Same thing happens in a lot of other countries throughout the world, e.g. China, NK, KSA etc. And in all those countries law enforcement is very willing to the bidding of their masters without so much as a second thought.

I looked at your comment history, since you're a Jewish person I assume you know how German law enforcement at all levels (police, SS) carried out a genocide on your people.

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u/Jayou540 Apr 08 '23 edited Apr 08 '23

You are correct non practicing half Jew here. It’s idiotic and insulting to assume that Canada could get to 1930s German level tyranny. You strike me as just the type of person who shouldn’t have firearms.. I don’t mean to offend but you just admitted your guns will defend you from police that you deem are enforcing government tyranny. Canada is far from tyrannical.. This is just the type of nonsense I hear from chuds in America. Shame on you. Even if you are “right” you just admitted to your intentions online like a real smooth brain.. People like you are gonna get guns banned for all of us who just wanna target shoot or hunt smh

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u/Neontiger456 Apr 08 '23

Unfortunately you're wrong, Germany in the 1930s was one of the most advanced and civilized nations on earth and they ended up democratically electing a tyrant. And their DNA isn't any different than our DNA or anyone else's, the hunger for absolute power is human nature, hence why you need a system of checks and balances. As for my ideas yes I am still free to express them and there's nothing to be ashamed about.

Plus it's not like this is anything groundbreaking lol, this is the exact reason why the second amendment exists in the US and used to be common knowledge (fortunately still is in some parts). Sadly a lot of people these days don't read history as closely as they should to learn lessons from it.

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u/nyg420 Apr 09 '23

I agree with you 100% dude, clearly the person you're responding to knows nothing about history.

"The government we have currently isn't rounding people up therefore we can never become that in the future" is a very dumb view in light of what's happened less than a century ago. Hell, we had literal segregation, career loss, and bans on travel for a group of people in this country just over a year ago with well over 70% of the population and entire media cheering it on.

People who think "we as humans can never do that again" are the most naive fools society has to offer.

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u/Jayou540 Apr 08 '23

Ok buddy. If you wanna have a laugh give a listen to Dave chapelles friend Neal brennon has to say on this topic. https://youtu.be/WOSqCjMRXWA

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u/Neontiger456 Apr 08 '23 edited Apr 08 '23

Yet somehow illiterate cave dwellers in Afghanistan couldn't be beat lol.

Edit: responding to the comment below:

100% agreed, we need to vote the current government out. I never said there was currently government tyranny so obviously the way out is to vote him out of office. I said if and when there is tyranny then guns are a last line of defense because by definition tyrannies don't respect elections.

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u/Perfect-Emphasis-211 Apr 08 '23

If you can get a legitimate answer to this question from the Canadian government you will be 1 step closer than anyone else in our society.

They essentially say these “assault rifles” are designed for and used by mass killers. Only criminals need these firearms, they have no other practical farm use, if they ban legal guns then the illegal guns will magically disappear.

Every argument is counterintuitive or misleading, and those who are in charge of the list used questionable sources (like this Reddit page presumably) to create the ban list, up to and including a brand of BRCC coffee because the individual must have thought it was a firearm.

Another specifically mentioned firearm is the buttmaster, a one of a kind firearm made as a joke and would have been prohibited just by its characteristics.

Long story short, it’s all making as many political gains out of tragedy’s as they can.

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u/sinep_snatas Apr 08 '23

Thanks for the explanation. It all seems nonsensical and, unfortunately, I am not one step closer to understanding some sound rationale for doing this. Everything seems to be pointing towards political gain, which it too bad.

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u/sinep_snatas Apr 08 '23

I think the 'they're doing it for political gain' theory makes more sense than 'they're trying to stop us from rebelling' one. But who knows.

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u/Jayou540 Apr 08 '23

I think you have imo. I hate it when people imply that their gun collection gives them a fighting chance against government tyranny. Reminds me of what stupid cornfed Americans say.. I can see it leaking into Canadian gun culture and it’s cringe. Like no jellyroll even if you were in military shape that modded out Bren isn’t gonna stand a chance against anything.. I immediately think a person like this is a threat to their community and police. Like Who would be enforcing the laws of your tyrannical government?! Think about it. (Not calling you jelly roll just the cringy gravy seals I see talking like you)

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u/Falken1010 Apr 08 '23 edited Apr 08 '23

Easy - end goal is to ban all guns ASAP. Quickest way is to kill off the platform that is most versatile / numerous. When they ban the AR platform the are banning a whole host of weapons with different capabilities. The AR platform also has by far the most options when it comes to accessories, so they reduce the options greatly there as well.

Again, it’s a matter of speed rather than anything else. They can’t just ban “Guns” outright, so they ban some of the guns every couple of years until there is nothing left.

Right now they can’t buyback all the guns they banned, but it people aren’t allowed to buy more guns then the number of guns also can only go down.

Even if there are guns available but they are all shit quality - which is a line we are close to approaching and crossing. Banning AR rifles was a quick way to get us close to that line too.

Personally, if the SemiAuto ban had gone through, I may not even bother with firearms. It just becomes a liability when you’re limited to using some old-ass lever / brake action museum piece. If I am going to have a firearm it’s gotta be something of quality, reliable, capable and reasonably up to date technologically. There wouldn’t be much of anything left in this sense if the ban had gone through. I mean, anything that is not a semi-auto is outdated, more so for some types of guns rather than others but substantially disadvantaged regardless.

People criticizing the fact they left out “just as/more” capable guns out are missing the point, which in the words of the libs would be: “Don’t worry, we will get to those soon. Sit tight”

Most of Canada seems to support this and goal as they also want to entrust the government with absolutely everything and believe citizens shouldn’t have guns, so unless something changes soon for some odd reason, they’ll get what they want probably within a short period of 5-10 years.