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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 12 '23

The Conservatives haven't had a majority in over a decade, and even then their majority was slim. Is there any real chance that they could win in 2025? Considering the country is run solely by urbanites, and a lot of urbanites are progressives who automatically equate Canadian Conservatives with their American counterparts, are there enough Canadians who will actually care enough about how the Liberals have fucked the country to vote a different party this time round?

And even in the best-case scenario where there is a Conservative majority, is it then likely that they'd actually bother repealing the current gun bans, as well as whatever other crap the Liberals continue to add over the next 2 years?

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u/FunkyFrunkle Feb 12 '23 edited Feb 12 '23

There are degrees to everything. Nothing in life is ever an absolute, and things change. People can be left leaning, but even in this tumultuous time, alliances can change. The effects of inflation, healthcare and a housing crisis are affecting everyone regardless of political leanings. When you’re getting beat down, any change is going to seem good.

There are still plenty of “urbanites” that are right leaning, and conservatism is picking up steam with younger people apparently. Things in life change all the time, and rarely do things fall into neat little categories.

I’d be more worried if the conservatives had Green Party numbers. But they aren’t realistically that far off from the liberals.

There’s reason behind the saying: “Canada doesn’t vote parties in, it votes parties out”.

While nothing is ever guaranteed, I think it’s very realistic that the conservatives might win government. Majority territory? That remains to be seen but crazier things have happened.

In regards to codifying firearms ownership so it never gets touched again, that’s a pipe dream but not because it would offend urbanites. It’s because of how our legislative system works. Government cannot tie the hands of future parliaments when it comes to prescribing legislation. And that’s the unfortunate reality.

I honestly think the liberals secretly don’t want guns to completely disappear because it would be like throwing out all the fire extinguishers in their house made of newspaper. They need something divisive to fall back on when they need a shakedown and the gun debate worked very well to distract people when it was discovered that 12 MP’s received funding from China. It took the media spotlight right off of Justin when he was going through that Emergencies act inquiry. Politicians don’t really care about anything other than image and re-election. That’s it.

We’re the props in a twisted play.

There are going to be ups and downs. AR’s have been banned, unbanned, and banned again.

We’re not safe, no. The honest to god best advice I can give you is to breathe, spread our gospel and fight back. The long-gun registry got repealed which would have been a great tool to have for a confinscation. That was a massive W for gun owners.

If it happened once, it can happen again.

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u/Physical_chucklefish Feb 12 '23

Examples of unbanning guns? All I found was the sig 550 was unbanned in 2014 according to wikipedia

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u/FunkyFrunkle Feb 12 '23

The AR in the 1970’s -1980’s I do believe.

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u/Physical_chucklefish Feb 12 '23

Time will tell, no party ever says in power forever in Canada. Look at ontario, they had a liberal provincial government for a long time till people got sick of their shit and voted them out

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Feb 12 '23

Now we have been literally dieing to get rid of the fat man. But timmies has real egg sandwiches.

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u/throwa37 Feb 12 '23

I'll take the fatass over the guy who wanted to confiscate handguns any day

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Feb 12 '23

It's not a choice between the two.

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u/throwa37 Feb 12 '23

I guess not, given Del Duca couldn't even win his own seat, lol. It was a choice between Ford and the NDP that agreed with Del Duca.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '23

We'll be alright

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 12 '23

I hope so. I still don't even have a single damn gun because of how long it takes for a simple process of checking if someone's a criminal and/or a crazy takes (this is obviously this way on purpose to make sure less people have guns or have interest in acquiring them), and the more they push for banning guns and disarming people is the more I wonder if they know something we don't. Also sucks that I might not be able to enjoy basic things like semi-automatic rifles (or even anything better than a fucking flintlock muzzleloader at this point) by the time I actually get a PAL.

The Conservatives where I lived before didn't give a fuck about anyone but themselves and never kept a promise. I know this doesn't appear to be the case for Canada but I do hope they keep to their word and revert these bullshit changes and the inevitable semi-auto ban that will probably get implemented before they get elected.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '23

Lol there is definitely something in the works that's for sure. We're fortunate to be neighbors to the US, and that we have a major political party fighting for gun rights. We'll be fine

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 12 '23

I hope we'll be fine but the liberals basically have a dictatorship right now - the 'minority' government they have is supplemented by an obedient NDP who are almost as anti-gun as the LPC, and a Bloc that might as well be renamed Liberal Party of Quebec because they always vote in line with the LPC unless doing so directly negatively affects Quebec. The Conservatives can hopelessly counter-vote and launch counter-bills and amendments but it doesn't really amount to anything right now. I just hope there's not too much damage done for the Conservatives to fix in reasonable time, especially if we are unfortunate enough to get stuck with the Liberals for another 4 years come 2025.

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u/FunkyFrunkle Feb 12 '23

Its interesting to note that it’s been speculated a few times that the Liberals aren’t necessarily big fans of working with the NDP, and the liberals would rather the Bloc to not exist at all.

The NDP are anti-gun but to a certain extent. They still represent many rural ridings and they can’t afford to pursue bans like what we seen in the amendments. They can bitch and moan about it all they want. They haven’t had an urban breakthrough and if they alienate their rural ridings they could end up losing their seats and come dangerously close to losing party status. Sometimes you have to bank on what you have. That’s why they probably won’t drop the supply and confidence agreement. They’re not in a good position for an election, and the liberals are no-doubt concerned about recent polling. Polls are not a be all-end all, but they do give an idea of what the forecast is. All in all, gun control doesn’t have as much wiggle room as it would if the liberals had a majority. There are too many caveats and nuances.

The bloc are no better, but still got enough of an earful to speak up about it when the amendments dropped. None of that is likely to change the second time around.

The liberals are not in the best situation they could be to enact heavy-handed gun control. If they really cared about it they could have gotten away with it in 2015-2019.