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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '23 edited Feb 11 '23

SECU Meeting next Tuesday to discuss the removal of G-46 and G-4, and will likely attempt to reintroduce them.

Edit: I do understand the reason the amendments were removed but the Liberals stated that they will either reintroduce them or make them their own bill after "getting it right"

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 12 '23

Is there any evidence so far to suggest they are actually going to try and reintroduce the semi-auto ban in this bill beyond what they stated about "getting it right"? Everything I've heard so far - from both people who think and don't think a semi auto ban is coming, have said that it would be ruled out of scope in this bill and that they will most likely introduce another one to do so.

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u/Haybinger949 12(7) Feb 12 '23

There is really no evidence of anything at this point regarding the Bill/amendments.

Other than a couple tweets from Mendicino and Michaud about further actions and finding out about the NDP stuffing Macgregor back into the cupboard, we're in the dark until Tuesday.

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u/FunkyFrunkle Feb 12 '23 edited Feb 12 '23

They tell white lies and exaggerate the truth. It’s by design. It’s to get more people upset about what’s going on because we need everyone on the same page here. It’s meant to get otherwise unmotivated fudds fired up because they need to understand that the “fuck you got mine” thing isn’t going to make things better. The liberal government doesn’t like Johnny hunter with his clapped out Lee Enfield anymore than they like Mikey sport shooter with his AR-15.

We need everyone across all spectrums engaged in this. Not just small pockets of affected owners getting slowly picked off while everyone else who’s currently unaffected sleeps in the back with their bass pro shop hats pulled low across their face. There needs to be a groundswell.

Misinformation is the bane of our political discourse, but the government engages in it all the time. Just look at what happened. You have to fight fire with fire sometimes.

The CCFR is our only chance of a lobby group that will carry any weight.

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 12 '23

does she actually have anything to go on by saying the government will try to reintroduce the amendments?

The liberals directly said that they would try to 'get it right' and would not be abandoning their attempt to ban 'assault weapons'. We're absolutely either going to see an OIC, another bill, or an amendment to this one. Some people have hope that they won't attempt another rifle ban in C21 because it'll be ruled 'out of scope' but you can never be certain with the liberals.

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u/throwa37 Feb 12 '23

There's no way they're going to reintroduce them already. They've had no time to make changes, they just withdrew them the other week.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '23

Okay, I agree that they won't on Tuesday, but otherwise I wouldn't be so sure. Poly and the anti-gun groups have ratcheted up the pressure on Trudeau to fulfill his promise of banning whatever they ask for, and I don't believe that Mendicino's statement was just to placate the gun control groups. Those amendments will 1000% come back, even if it means it's worded differently or is rammed through on its own legislation and the NDP's support can ALWAYS be bought.

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u/throwa37 Feb 13 '23

Poly and the anti-gun groups have ratcheted up the pressure on Trudeau

Serious question, other than them crying into the void on twitter, do we actually have any evidence of that or are we just assuming?

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '23

Do we ever have proof that Poly Sewervent actively pressures the government until it's too late? I'd love to provide it for you, but this is pure speculation on my part. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Batsinvic888 Bats888 on YouTube Feb 11 '23

Don't they have to do this? Before they were withdrawn they had motions in front of them to schedule extra meetings and travel. But when the LPC withdrew those amended, it got changed to 4 meetings with no travel to look at this clusterfuck.

I am still not convinced they would reintroduce them. Part of their "we will fix it" shtick is that they will do more consultations (as opposed to the literal 0 consultations they did before). I think this is an attempt to see if they can iron out how they want to do this before they introduce it in a new bill.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '23

Don't they have to do this? Before they were withdrawn they had motions in front of them to schedule extra meetings and travel. But when the LPC withdrew those amended, it got changed to 4 meetings with no travel to look at this clusterfuck.

Yes, but Trudeau has made some vague promises to anti-gun groups who have, I'm sure, absolutely blasted the Liberal Party with their massive disappointment that losing those amendments brought. C-21 is important but they need that evergreen definition to really bring it home and pick up a w, and they would get that in spades if it meant that semi-autos were completely banned. That would solidify their already baffling support in GTA.

I am still not convinced they would reintroduce them. Part of their "we will fix it" shtick is that they will do more consultations (as opposed to the literal 0 consultations they did before). I think this is an attempt to see if they can iron out how they want to do this before they introduce it in a new bill.

Agreed, if they aren't reintroduced they will become their own standalone bill. The Liberals got struck down because it went beyond the scope of the bill but only an election will stop C-21 or further legislation, and they'll likely abandon the "No REAL hunter" narrative and double down on bans because the Liberals have backed themselves into a corner and can't afford not to finish what they started. Weed legalization/Gun control will be Justin's legacy.

2025 seems like it's decades away though, and no way the NDP pull support or let an election be called unless Trudeau finds his feet again and surge in the polls.

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 12 '23

Is there a decent chance that if in the worst-case scenario they introduce a semi auto ban (either in this bill or another), the Conservatives will actually keep to their word and repeal it next time they have a majority? Or are they the type that will talk like that but never actually do anything when the time comes?

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u/throwa37 Feb 12 '23

They aren't going to introduce a semi auto ban. They admitted that the "reach was too broad" on the old amendments, so whatever they come out with next will be more limited in scope. Not even the original amendments were a full semi auto ban.

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 12 '23

I know they won't do it in this bill, but I have a bad feeling they're going to try again in another.

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u/throwa37 Feb 12 '23

Eventually, assuming an election doesn't take them down first. But I'd be shocked if they were too stupid to learn their lesson, and tried again with something just as bad.