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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 09 '23

Not been in the loop outside of the gun politics - is it still looking like there may be a Spring election? All this crap could be (at least temporarily) ended if we got one, and the Conservatives could even remove the OIC if they got into power.

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u/Batsinvic888 Bats888 on YouTube Feb 09 '23

The LPC has less incentive because their poll numbers have dropped hard. If they call an election it's to try and satisfy Trudeau's ego and attempt to gain a minority government before it becomes impossible to get any government.

If an election is called, it is more likely to come from a non-confidence motion. It all depends on the NDP and if they have the money to fight an election and/or if they believe they could make significant (i.e. official opposition status) gains.

It is very possible there is an election, but absolutely nothing is guaranteed. What I can say is that I am extremely confident there won't be an election during the 2024 presidental election.

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 09 '23

So we'll likely just have to sit tight until 2025 and pray that their future attempt to ban semis is bogged down?

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u/Batsinvic888 Bats888 on YouTube Feb 09 '23

I doubt it. The NDP should have enough cash by late 2023. When I say presidental election, I mean the August-November period. I could see an election be called anytime before or after that. I would be shocked if we made it to 2025 without an election.

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 09 '23

I hope you're right for all our sakes. This recent few years of liberal rule has resulted in nothing but relentless attacks on the individual rights of Canadians, and not just in the context of firearm owners.

I just read about that Albertan gun company whose guns weren't banned in the OIC a few years ago, so the CFO of Alberta at the time, and RCMP went out of their way to victimize them and try to bully them out of making guns. They refused to stop producing their guns, so the CFO launched a Cease & Desist to stop them producing their guns and now the case is just stuck in court hell, effectively preventing the guns from being made despite complying with the law. There's so much bullshit they can do to stop legal gun owners from owning guns, it's ridiculous.

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u/SettingPitiful4330 Feb 09 '23

That the ATRS? I want Want one so freaking bad but not paying the 2×-3× that they go for used

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Feb 10 '23

If I had the money I would. It's not really their fault they can't make any more, they failed to find legal grounds to class it as an AR15 variant so the CFO at the time instead launched a personal Cease & Desist to freeze their production and now it's getting dragged through court hell. I can't necessarily fault people for charging high for them considering how rare they are and how reliable they are compared to basically any other 556/223 semi auto we're allowed to own.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '23

Yeah.

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u/Haybinger949 12(7) Feb 09 '23

Absolutely no chance the Liberals would launch an election until the results for the AB provincial election are in. That election is on May 29th this year, it will probably be used as a substantial bellwether for the Liberal's odds in a snap federal election.

The media has pretty much unanimously been against Smith since before she was even elected leader, and she has been getting panned almost weekly for even the most innocuous things, sometimes things that never even happened. Despite this, she realistically still has a very high chance of winning the election - the 2015 NDP win was largely due to the Conservative base being split between two separate parties. Much like the 2019 election, there really is no viable second option for anyone that doesn't support the NDP, so the only way to lose will be either poor voter turnout or if the amount of interprovincial transplants from the past 4 years is too biased to the left.

Of course if the NDP win the Alberta election this year, Saskatchewan will be pretty much the last bastion standing before Canadian oblivion.

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u/floydsmoot Feb 09 '23

Saskatchewan will be pretty much the last bastion standing before Canadian oblivion.

Actually AB and SK are about the only hope I see for guns in this country because because the GTA and Montreal region pretty much decide what's "good" for the rest of us.

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u/Haybinger949 12(7) Feb 09 '23

Yes, unless what I said in the first half of my statement happens:

Of course if the NDP win the Alberta election this year

AB will not be able to hold the front on guns for very long under another NDP tenure. Even if they only make it for a 4 year term and get ousted again, we will not be in any position to pick up the pieces of whatever is left.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '23

What is the best avenue of approach if AB loses to the NDP? Slow descent into Minecraft? I genuinely don't know /can't think of any solution other than for a federal conservative government to ram property rights into law before they are voted out.

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u/Haybinger949 12(7) Feb 10 '23

If I voice my honest opinions on this, I will probably get banned. All I will say is that a lot of good people left the province between 2015 and 2019, many of us who didn't have since planned some level of contingency on how we will should a "next time" occur. Some of course are "stuck" here, as for them I don't have a lot of constructive advice that can be utilized with this short of a notice period. The time to plan was 8 years ago, the time to act will be at the drop of a hat by the end of May.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '23

You already said enough. I figured that was the case

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down Feb 09 '23

Actually AB and SK are about the only hope I see for good in this country

Yeah, it's unfortunate.

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u/Apples_and_Overtones Your feet suck and so do you Feb 09 '23

I could never vote for Smith. I consider her off the deep-end. I tend to be more right-wing politically but I think what the party has become, especially with this leader is too far for me and I can say I am definitely not the only one with that opinion. I would certainly not say a potential NDP win is the result of "too many transplants."

That said, not particularly keen on NDP this time around either if firearm rights are to be considered, since they're A-OK with provincial/municipal level bans.

Kinda sucks. Not interested in voting this time around tbh.

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u/discostu55 Feb 09 '23

damned if you do damned if you dont, i dont like smith eithier but notely played her "weapons" card to soon

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u/Haybinger949 12(7) Feb 10 '23

I could never vote for Smith. ...and I can say I am definitely not the only one with that opinion.

Yes, like I said they could likely be hurt a lot by people just not voting at all causing a general poor turnout.

I tend to be more right-wing politically but I think what the party has become, especially with this leader is too far for me

I have pretty much only seen this opinion online or from people who still watch the 6 o'clock like it's 1986. Other than the media surrounding them, almost none of the bills have been any different than those put forwards by the past 20 years of AB Conservative governments. Bill 1 is obviously the exception to this, but it has barely been used other than as tokenism so far. It's still the same party, with almost the exact same cabinet Kenney had.

Smith wasn't my first choice on the ballot, but my MLA still stands for what I voted by and still has my support to continue their mandate. Your thoughts may differ of course and I can respect that.

Kinda sucks. Not interested in voting this time around tbh.

Rather than abstaining, I suggest you still go to the polls, but reject your ballot. Don't spoil it, if you do that it just goes in the trash. Instead, return it to the officer as a "rejection" (I don't know the exact term for it, check the election handbook when it's published). This way it goes down as recorded that you explicitly chose to not vote for any of the available choices.