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[u/Batsinvic888]

In case you may have mistakenly thought the G&M was friendly, read this

The Liberals beat a hasty, but necessary, retreat on gun control

Striaght up propaganda. It says written by the editorial board but this came straight out of the LPC or Poly. You can tell because they literally have no fucking clue how firearms work

The Liberals now say they will bring back the amendments, presumably in separate legislation. And that’s good; Ottawa can and should crack down on the proliferation of high-powered semi-automatic rifles for sale in Canada that have no place in a legitimate hunter’s arsenal.

There is a need for a sensible discussion about how some semi-automatic hunting rifles are capable of firing ammunition that is far more powerful than any hunter would want, and which can turn a legitimate civilian firearm into a tool of mass murder and destruction.

[u/FunkyFrunkle → u/Batsinvic888]

They make mention that the liberals need to avoid polarizing Canadians and stop using it as a wedge issue.

Well, right off the get go, wagging your finger in my face and telling me what I do and don’t need when the object or activity in question has been responsibly enjoyed and has been legal for a century is already polarizing. I don’t live in a maximum security prison. I don’t have to justify a need for anything. The only time I have to justify a need for anything is when I’m broke.

Why do you want to own semi-automatics?

Because I’m not a penniless hippy. That’s why.

You want “sensible” discussion? Then stop perpetuating nonsense. The people trying to build the legislation don’t know the first thing about firearms. Saying things like “Weapons that no legitimate hunter would want in their arsenal” and “can be transformed into weapons of mass murder and distraction” just makes you sound ridiculous.

I don’t take hunting, shooting or equipment suggestions from people who’ve done neither.

[u/floydsmoot → u/Batsinvic888]

can turn a legitimate civilian firearm into a tool of mass murder and destruction

That's Poly's schtick. We're all just waiting for our opportunity to go postal at our local Costco.

Trouble is most naive urbanites buy it.

[u/[deleted] → u/Batsinvic888]

Already alluding to "No x needs y and z". Gotta love how slick they think they are when it comes to language

[u/floydsmoot → u/[deleted]]

No x needs y and z

Don't you know the battle cry of the "Limousine Liberal" is, "if I don't have need for it, neither should you."

[u/rileysimon → u/Batsinvic888]

I though people on this sub already know that G&M is an anti-gun media as same as Toronto Star, G&M's editorial board supported a ban on the sale of handguns

G&M is basically anti-gun fudd fiscal conservative and they're not your friend.

[u/GinnAdvent → u/Batsinvic888]

I think they really need to have a government rep, and a rep from gun control group, and one from the firearm community, sit down and put on a bullet point form, what is fact and what's propaganda.

Once they established what the facts are, then whenever one start to BS, go back to bullet points and check.

How do you have a round that's design to hunt, not powerful enough for a mercy kill, meet the range and ballistic requirements?

This is the sort of stuff, that you only see true propaganda uses in WWII exclusively to reach their own goals.

Like, are they really going to sink that low?

[u/[deleted] → u/Batsinvic888]

Unless we somehow have semi-auto .50 bmg rifles, a .338 Lapua is still a common hunting round. So I don't see where there is any ammo "far more powerful than any hunter would want." They talk as if you can put more powerful ammo in the same gun and it becomes a death machine instead of just blowing up in reality.

[u/TechnologyReady → u/[deleted]]

Besides, a SP 338 is going to do a lot more damage than FMJ 50BMG.

Not that it's really relevant. You can't be "more dead". Anything like 308 and up is catastrophic to a human sized target.

Basically, they have to ban anything legal for hunting deer. Otherwise, what is the point?

[u/Brilliant_Gift1917 → u/Batsinvic888]

The Liberals now say they will bring back the amendments, presumably in separate legislation

I know we already know this is true but did they come out and explicitly say they are pursuing a semi-auto ban? Or are they still going with their "assault weapon" shtick

[u/Batsinvic888 → u/Brilliant_Gift1917]

They haven't decided. If they want a definition they are going to piss someone off, either PAL holders or their anti-gun lobby friends.

[u/discostu55 → u/Batsinvic888]

lametti said poly gave them the list in a interview