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u/95Percent_Rookie Jun 13 '22

the problem in canada is not the argument for why we own them. Plenty of people in the USA want to ban guns(and have banned guns) despite having a myriad of self defence aeguments. What protects US gun owners is a constitutional right to own firearms, enshrined in a document nigh impossible to revoke. We can say we want yo own guns for whatever reason we want, reality is anti-gunners really don’t care and see no reason as valid.

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u/throwa37 Jun 13 '22

Yes, but since we have no 2A, we have to rely on good arguments to keep our guns. We need a persuasive argument that can be both logically and morally defended. We need an actual reason to own guns. Sport is not that reason. We should not expect to sway the minds of people who view gun ownership as dangerous by telling them that we, personally, are safe with our toys, and by the way, you don't need to drink! It doesn't matter that the alcohol analogy is sound; if all they're taking from you is a leisure activity, they're not going to think twice about it.

Just look at hunting. That's an actual utilitarian reason to own guns, and as a result it's still respected and "hunting" guns are considered legitimate to own by the majority of the public. It only justifies a small subset of firearms, though, and it doesn't necessarily justify keeping firearms at home.

That's why we need to change the culture to accept self defence. Without it, we have no defensible justification to keep our guns.

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u/floydsmoot Jun 13 '22

change the culture to accept self defence

I think we all know that one big reason Canadians buy guns is for protection, but we can't say this which needs to change and brought out into the open

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u/TheChroniclesOfTaint Jun 13 '22

I know It definitely came to my mind when buying one of my shotguns lol.

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u/floydsmoot Jun 13 '22

I'll bet it's on most gun buyers minds.

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u/yummybunnybear Jun 13 '22

I'm totally just practising target shooting in case I have to target shoot in real life.

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u/TheChroniclesOfTaint Jun 14 '22

Yea my targets just so happen to be the same size and anatomy of a human torso but I actually shoot the out side of the target to make sure that I'll never hit a human ever.

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u/floydsmoot Jun 13 '22

What protects US gun owners is a constitutional right to own firearms

This and the fact that guns are recognized as an accepted method of self defence (which is not the case here). I read recently that it's the number one reason that Americans buy a firearm.

Czechia is the only other country I can think of where its accepted as a method f self defence.

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u/voodoopriest Jun 13 '22

I wonder... is Magna Carta still in play or did we sever it with the constitution act in 1982?