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u/jbon87 Jun 10 '22

My buddys and i have been talk and we suspect that all the gun ban of late (2020 oic and now the hand gun freeze) are due to the liberals fears of the future. And in particular order

Climate change

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-financial-system-column-don-pittis-1.6481496

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadians-shopping-rising-food-costs-1.6483250

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/food-cost-survey-1.6478695

With the above and the rise of inflation

I think this is the liberals fear of history repeating

itself https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis

Just my 2 cents

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u/OxfordTheCat Jun 10 '22 edited Jun 10 '22

It's not some grand conspiracy, it's simple polling.

The public overwhelmingly supports the legislation. Support for the previous legislation was polling at like 70%, which is more consensus than basically anything on legislative agenda in the last twenty five years.

You'd have to introduce a motion for curing cancer or something to get more high profile public support. And before the "the public doesn't understand the laws, that's the only reason they support it" crowd sharpens their pencils: Number one, the public doesn't understand any legislation that gets passed, this isn't any different. And two, no, average Canadians aren't closet 2A supporters and wishing AR15s and handguns were more accessible than ever in Canada, even if every single person miraculously knew the nuances of the laws, they'd still be anathema to the average person.

It's not some greater civil unrest, WEF disarmament, UN world government nonsense de jour that the conspiracy idiots are peddling: Gun control legislation is popular in this country, and the AR15 espousing, plate carrier wearing, sheepdog/operator/guns to protect against the government/wish we had a 2A culture is despised by the average Canadian, especially in the big cities where it counts.

And especially given the pervasive and high profile issues in the United States, which are getting worse not better.

Guys like O'Leary that were in the early running for the CPC leadership the last time around were actively talking about getting rid of ARs. If there wasn't the massive public and political support for it, the legislation wouldn't exist.

Horses, not zebras.

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u/throwa37 Jun 11 '22

the public doesn't understand any legislation that gets passed, this isn't any different

Sad indictment of democracy.

is despised by the average Canadian

You despise it, you've made that very clear. Most people are unaware of/indifferent to prepper/"tactical" culture. And either way, you already did a pretty good job of laying out the low bar set by the average Canadian.

If there wasn't the massive public and political support for it, the legislation wouldn't exist.

This part is straight bullshit. Unpopular legislation is introduced and passed all the time. You don't even have to look any farther than this government's online censorship bill, which was ripped apart in consultation - which just prompted them to hide the consultation results.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Swear to God it'd make debating a whole lot easier if users just admitted they don't want anything to do with actual gun culture and the paraphernalia that goes along with it, instead of hiding behind "the average Canadian"

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u/throwa37 Jun 11 '22

Not to give you whiplash, and I agree with you 99%, but I'm not about gatekeeping what constitutes "actual" gun culture. Hunting, skeet shooting, and good old bolt action target practice are perfectly valid arms of gun culture in my book.

But I'm right alongside you in losing patience with people who hold the myopic view that the parts of gun culture they don't participate in or appreciate are acceptable sacrifices. And frankly, I couldn't give less of a shit what the average Canadian thinks. I'm going to keep funding and voting for the party that promises to safeguard my gun rights. Fortunately, that party is one of the Big Two. So the Liberals and the supporters of their gun control can choke on it. It's only a matter of time until we retake ground.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

But that's the thing - either all aspects of gun culture are acceptable or none of it is. Trying to pick and choose for the sake of appearing friendly is alienating. Hunting, skeet, IPSC, they're all under gun culture. Not disagreeing with you.