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Weekly Newbies & FAQ Thread - Post your questions here for PAL/RPAL application, timelines, CFSC/CFSRC, references & requirements, or general new to firearms ownership -type questions

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u/TheRealRach Jun 07 '22

I inherited a Lee Enfield jungle carbine from my grandfather, he bought it after he came back from Korea and gave it too me as I have my PAL/RPAL.

What I'm asking is if the rifle is legal as the magazine is a 10 round capacity.

As far as I know anything over a .22 (as of now at least) is capped at 5 rounds a magazine but I recall reading that bolt action/lever action or pump action firearms don't require magazine limits.

Any info would be appreciated.

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Jun 07 '22

Your rifle is bolt action, not semi-automatic. No magazine limit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '22

Well not true, there's an exception for the Lee Enfield which is by name limited to 10 rounds not unlimited

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Jun 08 '22 edited Jun 08 '22

(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that

(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle,

"not"

This portion talks about how a Lee Enfield magazine is not included

Imnsho it shows that the politicians thought the Lee Enfield was semi-automatic and included in the previous paragraph.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/maximum-permitted-magazine-capacity

RCMP doesn't bother mentioning it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '22

The OP has a Lee Enfield, his magazine capacity can not lawfully exceed 10 tounds for that firearm

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Jun 08 '22

Also pretty dammed pedantic of us both, I have never heard of high capacity magazines for Rifle No.4 or Rifle No.1

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '22 edited Jun 08 '22

(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that

(a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that

(i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,

(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing NOT MORE than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or

There is no agree to disagree the law is straight forward, a Lee Enfield magazine containing more than 10 rounds is a prohibited device. The key wording is "not more then 10 cartridges". For context this list is the list of exceptions to the magazine limit rule. To decode legalise it is saying directly that the Lee Enfield is not subject to the 5 round limit however is subject to a 10 round limit as described in paragraph 2(a)(ii) because the wording says not more then 10 cartridges. Meaning if you had more then 10 cartridges the magazine no longer qualifies for the exemption from paragraph 1 and would have to be pinned or else you'd be thrown in prison. This exist because some super rare full auto called the Charlton uses Lee Enfield mags. But yeah you can't have a 20 round Lee Enfield mag

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Jun 08 '22

does not include

There ya go

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '22

Yes that lists rimfires, Lee Enfields, and M1 Garands as an exemption but you have to actually read the wording as it puts a limit on the exemption, you're just wrong. Lee Enfield mags can not lawfully exceed 10 rounds. Essentially it's an exemption to an exemption and quite clearly states that the exception doesn't apply to Lee Enfield magazines containing more then 10 rounds

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Jun 08 '22

But Lee Enfield isn't semi-automatic, they just made an error.

you're just wrong

You're not my wife.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '22

Hehehe fair enough, but no this isn't an error. There was one super obscure New Zealander machine gun that accepted Lee Enfield mags (Charlton) so they made it so they had to be pinned.

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Jun 09 '22

Extremely obscure is sufficient to Taser me and take my guns, never mind Canada vs. Automatic firearms or Auto conversions.

⚡💀

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Jun 09 '22

And, how did you find reasons for what the government does? Consider how hard they are trying to avoid the judge's other for the notes that led to the 2020 OinC

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